CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[princesspjs]

Well, there goes my theory that family members probably helped in more of a support capacity instead of searching.

(However, I do see the cop in the group. Anyone else spot him? MOO)

The guy in the sweats with the shades on? That looks like a cop trying to look casual and inconspicuous. :giggle:

 

[shefner]

No one in my house makes the bed EVER, unless company is coming over.
We're just slobs I guess.

I love the word slob. Is it uniquely southern? I don't know. But I always think of that song:
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus....
trying to make his way home.

 

[Tennlyn]

My DH & I were debating last night whether any stretches of the road were pre-searched.

 

[catswhiskers]

Lol. No, we didn't get lost. I'm not surprised that some just wandered off by themselves even though everyone had to have an LE "type" with them. Some folks just don't listen.

I'll go check downstairs. I knew you guys were "on it" and probably knew more of what was going on than I did. I was in the boonies, hiking and moving downed trees and went through an amazing amount of leaf litter. The altitude got to our Denver guy. I don't think he was that use to the 7-8000'.

Earlier Ransom implied that each group had a LE representative in it.

 

[FlyerFan28]

Well, there goes my theory that family members probably helped in more of a support capacity instead of searching.

(However, I do see the cop in the group. Anyone else spot him? MOO)

If you mean the guy not really looking at the map, then yes, I see him too.

Well played LE.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Long time lurker, first time poster. There's just something about Dylan that grabbed me and won't let me go. high hopes for the search yesterday but since it came up empty, I am forced to think beyond MR (who has always been my focus).

Checking registered SO is one thing but the world is chock full o'crazies. What is the percentage of stranger abduction/murder vs familiar adult? Stats for molesters skew higher toward known and trusted adults vs random strangers (coach/friend's parents, etc) but I expect when someone has disappeared for three weeks, the rate of stranger abduction goes way up. Any stats to support this?

Does anyone know if LE has looked at adults known to Dylan in the area? Besides his father?

When LE starts suggesting that maybe Dylan is out of the area, how do we keep the search going? What national channels are there to help get and keep the word out?

Okay- back to lurking and pondering the myriad of places MR could have driven to between 8 PM Sunday and 4 PM Monday, which is still my main train of thought.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, there goes my theory that family members probably helped in more of a support capacity instead of searching.

(However, I do see the cop in the group. Anyone else spot him? MOO)

Surely they had a cop assigned to every group since they would know much more about how to handle evidence if they find anything than laypersons would.

Im hoping that at least one cop was with each group.

Families do search for their family member. The family of Dru Sojgen did for a long period of time and other families have searched too.

IMO

 

[ozgirl70]

I love the word slob. Is it uniquely southern? I don't know. But I always think of that song:
What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us?
Just a stranger on the bus....
trying to make his way home.

I love that song.:rocker:


My husband could quite probably come home to an unmade bed, dirty cereal bowl etc, and not even notice, let alone clean up. Especially if he was busy doing some vital man thing. :twocents:

If MR was busy doing outdoor chores, or even just pottering,as they seem to do, then a cereal bowl would probably not be on the top of his to do list. It's also possible that he wanted Dylan to tidy his own blankets and left them for him. :moo::twocents:

I've been following along as much as I can and I'm still :fence: I think. Some things make me think a certain way but I still believe it is possible that Dylan left the house on his own, probably in the middle of the night if that's what happened.:moo:

I know LE have said they don't think he is a run away, but would they class him as such if they thought something happened to him after he left?

Has it been confirmed anywhere yet who owned the Ipod that was taken during the SW? Was it MR's or Dylan's?

:moo::moo:

 

[tamild]

If you mean the guy not really looking at the map, then yes, I see him too.

Well played LE.

IMO-I'd pick the older gentleman on the right based on his haircut-above the ears and off the collar.:twocents:

 

[Tennlyn]

Long time lurker, first time poster. There's just something about Dylan that grabbed me and won't let me go. high hopes for the search yesterday but since it came up empty, I am forced to think beyond MR (who has always been my focus).

Checking registered SO is one thing but the world is chock full o'crazies. What is the percentage of stranger abduction/murder vs familiar adult? Stats for molesters skew higher toward known and trusted adults vs random strangers (coach/friend's parents, etc) but I expect when someone has disappeared for three weeks, the rate of stranger abduction goes way up. Any stats to support this?

Does anyone know if LE has looked at adults known to Dylan in the area? Besides his father?

When LE starts suggesting that maybe Dylan is out of the area, how do we keep the search going? What national channels are there to help get and keep the word out?

Okay- back to lurking and pondering the myriad of places MR could have driven to between 8 PM Sunday and 4 PM Monday, which is still my main train of thought.

:thewave:
Glad you came out of lurkdom! I find myself in a similar position this morning. Rethinking my gut reaction and reevaluating everything. Still though, I just can't get past my instincts.
:welcome5:

 

[SCHMAE]

You bring up some good questions rebeccaeee.
I tend to agree with you because when it's a known adult perp, they
tend to get caught more quickly, probably because it was a quickly,
thought out thing and not a plan.
This is one thing I often wondered about baby Lisa Irwin . I was
just certain her mom was responsible somehow but then I kept thinking
how could this woman be SO good as to not leave a clue anywhere of
any kind? She doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in shed, so to speak, so
woudlnt' she leave a giant trail of evidence if she were guilty? So I'm left
with maybe she's not guilty. And I'm beginning to think same of MR. Is he smooth
enough to leave no trace of a crime ? Or did he commit no crime? Which seems
more likely?

I do not know the answer. I'm just throwing it out there.

 

[OneLove]

I've wondered if they had MR participate in the search mainly to observe and scrutinize his behavior and conduct. Did he chat much, what did he say, did he shows signs of stress or concern if another LE radioed that they had 'found' something significant?

Certain questions, conversations, and scenarios could have been preplanned before the search started. I am reminded of Casey Anthony showing no concern when evidence possibly relating to her daughter was found. When it happened several times, it indicated she probably already knew her whereabouts.

They could have had ER and Cory join the search so as to make it more likely MR would also.

I am hoping this search event was well strategized across multiple agencies in advance. And I hope it produced some results.

 

[ttcRider]

I love that song.:rocker:


My husband could quite probably come home to an unmade bed, dirty cereal bowl etc, and not even notice, let alone clean up. Especially if he was busy doing some vital man thing. :twocents:

If MR was busy doing outdoor chores, or even just pottering,as they seem to do, then a cereal bowl would probably not be on the top of his to do list. It's also possible that he wanted Dylan to tidy his own blankets and left them for him. :moo::twocents:

I've been following along as much as I can and I'm still :fence: I think. Some things make me think a certain way but I still believe it is possible that Dylan left the house on his own, probably in the middle of the night if that's what happened.:moo:

I know LE have said they don't think he is a run away, but would they class him as such if they thought something happened to him after he left?

Has it been confirmed anywhere yet who owned the Ipod that was taken during the SW? Was it MR's or Dylan's?

:moo::moo:

I had to get rid of my husband cuz he did too much 'pottering'

 

[gleigh]

Wonder what dad bought at Walmart?

 

[TxJan1971]

Long time lurker, first time poster. There's just something about Dylan that grabbed me and won't let me go. high hopes for the search yesterday but since it came up empty, I am forced to think beyond MR (who has always been my focus).

Checking registered SO is one thing but the world is chock full o'crazies. What is the percentage of stranger abduction/murder vs familiar adult? Stats for molesters skew higher toward known and trusted adults vs random strangers (coach/friend's parents, etc) but I expect when someone has disappeared for three weeks, the rate of stranger abduction goes way up. Any stats to support this?

Does anyone know if LE has looked at adults known to Dylan in the area? Besides his father?

When LE starts suggesting that maybe Dylan is out of the area, how do we keep the search going? What national channels are there to help get and keep the word out?

Okay- back to lurking and pondering the myriad of places MR could have driven to between 8 PM Sunday and 4 PM Monday, which is still my main train of thought.

I found this article on the FBI website. I only copied a bit of it - the article has more information.

Child Abductions
Known Relationships Are the Greater Danger

A majority (68 percent) of the child abduction cases the FBI’s Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) team has assisted in has resulted in the identification of an offender who had a relationship with the child victim.3 Moreover, an RSO was involved in only 10 percent of the investigations, 5 percent of who knew the victim.

In FY 2009, 63 percent of child abduction cases involved an offender known to the victim; only 1 percent were RSOs.4 In FY 2010, 70 percent of child abduction cases resulted in the identification of an offender who had a known relationship with the victim; less than 1 percent of the abductors were RSOs.5


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/august-2011/crimes-against-children-spotlight

 

[OneLove]

Has it been made known what MR says he did during the 4-5 hours he was home Monday waiting to hear back from Dylan?

Did he watch tv, was he on the computer, did he do laundry, wash dishes, cut firewood, take a nap, etc? The only thing I recall is that he texted Dylan. Was it more than once? And that he did not move the rumpled sheet on the sofa or clothes Dylan left.

 

[Tennlyn]

Wonder what dad bought at Walmart?

:thewave:
Woot! Another new member!!! Glad to have you here.

I've no idea what MR bought since LE isn't commenting, but I don't think it was anything unusual.
:welcome3:

 

[SCHMAE]

I found this article on the FBI website. I only copied a bit of it - the article has more information.

Child Abductions
Known Relationships Are the Greater Danger

A majority (68 percent) of the child abduction cases the FBI’s Child Abduction Rapid Deployment (CARD) team has assisted in has resulted in the identification of an offender who had a relationship with the child victim.3 Moreover, an RSO was involved in only 10 percent of the investigations, 5 percent of who knew the victim.

In FY 2009, 63 percent of child abduction cases involved an offender known to the victim; only 1 percent were RSOs.4 In FY 2010, 70 percent of child abduction cases resulted in the identification of an offender who had a known relationship with the victim; less than 1 percent of the abductors were RSOs.5


http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/august-2011/crimes-against-children-spotlight

Wow, those are pretty staggering stats.Thank you so much for sharing.
So the idea of an RSO or an SO are very unlikely in these kind of cases .

 

[TxJan1971]

The first part of the article:

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC), every year, more than 200,000 children are abducted by family members. An additional 58,000 are taken by nonrelatives with primarily sexual motives. However, only 115 reported abductions represent cases in which strangers abduct and kill children, hold them for ransom, or take them with the intention to keep.1

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...august-2011/crimes-against-children-spotlight

 

[SCHMAE]

So that means 142,000 a year are taken by a relative .
Right? That's a lot !