CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[Wild@Heart]

I just want to mention that in the Ridgeway case Justin Joseph, reporter from KDVR, reported that DNA linked an assault to the case. Reporters were asked by Westminster police investigator Trevor Materasso not to release this information. Well, Mr. Joseph reported it anyways. Just because LE isn't talking, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Of coarse this is just MOO.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I keep coming back to this frustration --

let's say LE isn't focused on MR... whether they've cleared him or ruled him out, (whatever language you want to use) they just aren't releasing that information to the public for some reason. They're comfortable saying that Dylan spent the night at MR's and was last seen safe at the house when MR left at 7:30. MR isn't involved.

Why isn't there loud, public emphasis on those four hours - 7:30 - 11:30?

I know LE has been asking for footage from 6pm on Sunday night all the way through noon on Monday from the beginning and I think that's thorough and good on them.

But if Dylan was kidnapped/abducted or met with foul play during those narrowed down four hours, and there's really only one way out of Bayfield -- I would think flooding the public and businesses with requests for eyewitnesses or surveillance footage, etc would be crucial. I feel like over a month later precious time has been wasted as surveillance cameras record over themselves, memories fade, people who may have been in town are long gone, etc.

Whether Dylan's disappearance was random and he's far away with some dangerous freak or whether he was targeted by someone for some reason and is being hidden, those four hours while still a long period of time become much more significant and helpful than trying to look at 8pm - 11:30am. If LE thinks there's a chance he's still in or around Bayfield, Vallecito, Durango or that general area wouldn't it make more sense to reach out to the public and ask locals if any friends/family/neighbors were unaccounted for during those hours and if they've been acting strange?

I don't understand the strategy here if Dylan was last seen Monday morning, but I guess that's why I'm here and not working with the task force. I hope this is one of the cases where we're not meant to know what's going on.

 

[scorekeeper]

I keep coming back to this frustration --

let's say LE isn't focused on MR... whether they've cleared him or ruled him out, (whatever language you want to use) they just aren't releasing that information to the public for some reason. They're comfortable saying that Dylan spent the night at MR's and was last seen safe at the house when MR left at 7:30. MR isn't involved.

Why isn't there loud, public emphasis on those four hours - 7:30 - 11:30?

I know LE has been asking for footage from 6pm on Sunday night all the way through noon on Monday from the beginning and I think that's thorough and good on them.

But if Dylan was kidnapped/abducted or met with foul play during those narrowed down four hours, and there's really only one way out of Bayfield -- I would think flooding the public and businesses with requests for eyewitnesses or surveillance footage, etc would be crucial. I feel like over a month later precious time has been wasted as surveillance cameras record over themselves, memories fade, people who may have been in town are long gone, etc.

Whether Dylan's disappearance was random and he's far away with some dangerous freak or whether he was targeted by someone for some reason and is being hidden, those four hours while still a long period of time become much more significant and helpful than trying to look at 8pm - 11:30am. If LE thinks there's a chance he's still in or around Bayfield, Vallecito, Durango or that general area wouldn't it make more sense to reach out to the public and ask locals if any friends/family/neighbors were unaccounted for during those hours and if they've been acting strange?

I don't understand the strategy here if Dylan was last seen Monday morning, but I guess that's why I'm here and not working with the task force. I hope this is one of the cases where we're not meant to know what's going on.

:goodpost:

What Lotus said!

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Well I am saddened again today to find no more information on Dylan. I wish we had more answers. I want to know why more dogs? What are they thinking? Was watching a show lastnight and saw that officers took a mans truck for search, and had a tracking device put on it, makes me wonder if they did that with MR trucks.

 

[LotusPawprint]

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Authorities also tracked down the rest of the sex offenders they wanted to talk to who were registered in the area.

All had alibis at the time Dylan disappeared.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/306326/188/Reward-raised-in-search-for-missing-boy

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No wonder the town's people are demanding answers.

Yeah, no wonder, right? They've tracked down and alibied all of the RSO's in the area, this is the second (third?) time they've given a definitive statement regarding RSO's having been checked and accounted for.


That's a great step, glad they're able to rule that option out.

Now...... what?

Non - RSO predator in the community abducting children? Predator roaming around in another community? Inside job targeting only Dylan so no need for a full on panic?

Anything?

No?


Finding Dylan is priority and the protecting the investigation/holding person responsible is crucial as well.... but if there's a potential threat, that needs to be a priority as well. Or is there not a threat? :waitasec:

 

[Wild@Heart]

Finding Dylan is priority and the protecting the investigation/holding person responsible is crucial as well.... but if there's a potential threat, that needs to be a priority as well. Or is there not a threat? :waitasec:[/QUOTE]

RBBM!
There is a threat as long as their is noone in custody! I hope that community is being careful and less trusting with their children. This can and does happen anywhere to any family, nobody is exempt!lease:

 

[The Farm]

Almost Christmas and still nothing. It just amazes me how children and people just disappear without a trace. I was really hoping by now there would be some answers.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm sure families are being more careful; if there is an unknown threat, that is always recommended. If it turns out Dylan's vanished as a result of family-related incident, it is sad that other children are frightened by the unknown "bogie man" for who knows how long, if no arrest is ever made. I don't think other children are in danger if this case is family-related.

 

[Tennlyn]

Where are you, Dylan? It's almost Christmas. You need to be home.

 

[SCHMAE]

I have nothing to add except I'm still here and I hope everyone will remember
Dylan while they're spending family time over the next few days. The little
sunshine boy lost in the snow

 

[cluciano63]

I just don't know what to make of S&R dogs anymore. I had 100% confidence in them, until some recent cases make me wonder; here we have dogs scenting on the lake yet not believed to have anything to do with Dylan; we have bloodhounds apparently not scenting in the area where he is said to have been. In Lisa Irwin's case, we had cadaver dogs alerting in the mom's bedroom, yet it was dismissed by many.

I know there have been many cases where dogs have found bodies and trails to bodies, but it sure does not seem to be true in many of the cases I've followed here. We seem to get more confusion instead.

Yet I still trust the dogs; at least more than people as a rule.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I'm still here, I'm still reading and I still have the same doubts. I wish we had more info to help find Dylan.

 

[SCHMAE]

I just don't know what to make of S&R dogs anymore. I had 100% confidence in them, until some recent cases make me wonder; here we have dogs scenting on the lake yet not believed to have anything to do with Dylan; we have bloodhounds apparently not scenting in the area where he is said to have been. In Lisa Irwin's case, we had cadaver dogs alerting in the mom's bedroom, yet it was dismissed by many.

I know there have been many cases where dogs have found bodies and trails to bodies, but it sure does not seem to be true in many of the cases I've followed here. We seem to get more confusion instead.

Yet I still trust the dogs; at least more than people as a rule.

I hear you but in all fairness to the dogs, until this case and Irwin case are SOLVED< there is no way to know if the dogs were right or not. I think the dogs in Irwin case were right but there was never enough other evidence to make a case. So it doesn't mean the dogs were wrong...... just goes into the HMMM file until further notice, I guess.

 

[cluciano63]

I hear you but in all fairness to the dogs, until this case and Irwin case are SOLVED< there is no way to know if the dogs were right or not. I think the dogs in Irwin case were right but there was never enough other evidence to make a case. So it doesn't mean the dogs were wrong...... just goes into the HMMM file until further notice, I guess.

I do too. These dogs are trained rigorously and are not often fooled by a "dead fish" or someone who died in a home 20 years earlier, etc...I went a little crazy reading through that part of the Baby Lisa thread, to be honest. IMO, the dog tried his best to tell what happened, but human help is needed as well.

 

[Darcyline]

I think dogs can be amazing but can also make mistakes. I have read multiple cases where a body was laying right where the dogs were tracking and somehow missed it. They can be amazing, but they are also (like every living thing on this planet) not perfect.
I do fully admit that I believe dog information or tracking more when it supports my pet theory while dismiss it more easily when it doesn't suit my theory I try not to do that though.

 

[katydid23]

I just don't know what to make of S&R dogs anymore. I had 100% confidence in them, until some recent cases make me wonder; here we have dogs scenting on the lake yet not believed to have anything to do with Dylan; we have bloodhounds apparently not scenting in the area where he is said to have been. In Lisa Irwin's case, we had cadaver dogs alerting in the mom's bedroom, yet it was dismissed by many.

I know there have been many cases where dogs have found bodies and trails to bodies, but it sure does not seem to be true in many of the cases I've followed here. We seem to get more confusion instead.

Yet I still trust the dogs; at least more than people as a rule.

I cannot remember which thread that I read it in, but SARX posted a brilliant explanation about WHY that is like you described.

She talked about the confusion surrounding the use of canines in various Law Enforcement agencies. Some of them try and use 'prison dogs' as specified scent trail dogs, and they are not trained that way. They are trained to pick up the most recent human scent leaving the prison, and going for it full bore.

You cannot give them a missing child's scent items and rely upon them to differentiate properly if they have not been trained for that, specifically.

She also talked about the use of various dog handlers who may come forward to volunteer, or who may just be in the area, but may not be properly vetted or trained. All of these things might bring confusion to the cases.

I firmly believe that if a LE agency has experienced well trained canines onboard, then we can trust their results fully. But that is not always the case.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I just don't know what to make of S&R dogs anymore. I had 100% confidence in them, until some recent cases make me wonder; here we have dogs scenting on the lake yet not believed to have anything to do with Dylan; we have bloodhounds apparently not scenting in the area where he is said to have been. In Lisa Irwin's case, we had cadaver dogs alerting in the mom's bedroom, yet it was dismissed by many.

I know there have been many cases where dogs have found bodies and trails to bodies, but it sure does not seem to be true in many of the cases I've followed here. We seem to get more confusion instead.

Yet I still trust the dogs; at least more than people as a rule.

I look at working dogs as a tool for SAR personnel when looking for a missing person. If they help find the missing person then great, if not, then the dog and handler tried their best. I'm sure that all SAR dog handlers would like 100% success but that just doesn't happen.

When you get into LE work we see working dogs that are used to sniff out drugs that give police probable cause to search a vehicle. If the dog gives a false alert it doesn't matter a whole lot to most people because their allowed to go on their way.

Then we have HRD dogs used in a criminal investigation. In my opinion their good for getting a probable cause search warrant for a home or vehicle. And that warrant allows LE to use all of their forensic tools and techniques to find evidence that can be used at trial.

That's only some of the things that these amazing dogs can do. But they do have limitations and people should be aware of that. MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

So many of these missing children come from backgrounds of unhappy parents, with bad break-ups or divorces or other partners in the picture; Dylan, Kyron, Haleigh, Hailey, Ayla, Sky, Aliayah, Amir Jennings, even little Skylar who was found dead last night. I wonder why that is; often the custodial parent has gone through so much to get custody and the other parent to get visitation, and someone the child still slips into the void. I know that logically it probably does not mean anything, but maybe some of the children are more vulnerable to the "kindness" of an adult approaching them? At least some of the older missing children. I don't know...just something I have noticed. Only a small number of the missing kids here seem to be from an original two-parent home.

 

[cluciano63]

PS-I totally understand about the issues with the correct dogs, the correct handling, the proper usage, etc...I have read up on S&R dogs for years and listened to our experts here as well. It is just frustrating if LE is not always using the best possible resources in the best possible way.

 

[katydid23]

p.s.

We have a German Shepherd, and we play ' hide the dog biscuit' with her all of the time. And there is no place you can hide her liver biscuit that she will not sniff it out and find it. I have a lot of confidence in dog's ability to sniff things out, but the handlers, not always so much.