CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

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I brought this over to start the day off on a light note.
Since it will quickly get dark ! :(

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Originally Posted by honeybun1807
Just checking in to see if there is any news. Seems like everybody's chewing on the same old bone.

It's amazing. After 2 months, pages of discussion and all kinds of speculation the only things we know are:

Dylan arrived at the airport and got off the plane.
Dylan was at Walmart.
Dylans phone was last active shortly after 8:00.
Dylan is missing.

Did I miss anything?
Someone in America bought a fishing pole in 2011!



We learned all about each other's sleeping habits, what we all do for the holidays, our favorite adult beverages, and almost every detail about everyone's parenting or aunt/uncle'ing habits.

You can't ignore all of that! Especially since it accounts for probably 9 threads :floorlaugh:
 
no 'fishing pole' discussion per se...but why didn't msm immediately jump on the "fact" that according to MR, from "day one they knew dylan had a fishing pole with him".

my question is, if LE knew "from day one" according to MR that dylan was carrying a fishing pole...why was that not ever reported? the backpack was even in question; why not the pole?

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2842579.shtml

"It is not known what clothing he may be wearing, but he may have a black backpack with him."

that was reported on november 21st; one of the earliest. nowhere from before nor then on was a fishing pole mentioned. if LE knew "from day one" according to MR, why wasn't this ever included in a possible description of an abducted child?

do a custom google search from nov. 18th to nov. 28th...the first mention of the pole was on the 25th by MR. only then did MSM pick up on it and LE reported that "a few days ago" (as of november 28th) there was a "ray of hope" but the broken fishing pole was deemed irrelevant.

it's just strange to me that a possible abduction would NOT include the description of the fishing pole. orvis? reel type?

envision a young ron howard at the beginning of the andy griffith show. and that's not how the rabbit envisions dylan...

:(
 
Another day closer to eight weeks and not a word from anyone, in how long?
 
I am so excited for you!

My son was a week late and only made his appearance then because the doctor issued an eviction notice. 21 years later and he's still late most of the time, but it's true: THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE WORTH WAITING FOR!!!
:great::rocker::great::rocker::great:

That is so true, thank you! That has cheered me up a bit :)
 
I think they might have more luck if they made the reward payable for information leading to the location of Dylan.

Obviously, everyone wants him to be safe, but realistically, at this point, he just needs to be found.

Exactly ! Excellent point.
 
no 'fishing pole' discussion per se...but why didn't msm immediately jump on the "fact" that according to MR, from "day one they knew dylan had a fishing pole with him".

my question is, if LE knew "from day one" according to MR that dylan was carrying a fishing pole...why was that not ever reported? the backpack was even in question; why not the pole?

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2842579.shtml

"It is not known what clothing he may be wearing, but he may have a black backpack with him."

that was reported on november 21st; one of the earliest. nowhere from before nor then on was a fishing pole mentioned. if LE knew "from day one" according to MR, why wasn't this ever included in a possible description of an abducted child?

do a custom google search from nov. 18th to nov. 28th...the first mention of the pole was on the 25th by MR. only then did MSM pick up on it and LE reported that "a few days ago" (as of november 28th) there was a "ray of hope" but the broken fishing pole was deemed irrelevant.

it's just strange to me that a possible abduction would NOT include the description of the fishing pole. orvis? reel type?

envision a young ron howard at the beginning of the andy griffith show. and that's not how the rabbit envisions dylan...

:(

A couple of things come to mind for me. First, he didn't say that Dylan was carrying a fishing pole, he said he may have had one with him. The other thing is that it may have been something LE wasn't mentioning because they thought it might help them know if reported sightings were the real thing if the tip mentioned the boy had one with him. Other than that, who knows?
 
*once again my apologies for being so far behind and in catch up mode..still traveling and not able to keep up as I usually do..my apologies:blushing: *

Originally Posted by Redhead72
*c/p from previous thread to add a post of reply below it*


I definitely do not know all there is to know about the case and the search for Dylan. However, my honest feeling about this case is that he will be found in the lake, unfortunately. I have a feeling that LE does know more than they are telling -- or at least they have suspicions as to what really happened.

I can't imagine LE thinking they were dealing with an abduction with an unknown person as the likely perp and NOT have spoken publicly about it. They would be risking other children going missing, or other clues that might have been important were it an abduction by someone local, OR out-of-town. (For instance: If, God forbid, it was a local person who did this and then another child went missing the town and police force would be opening itself up to some major lawsuits, IMO.)

I have my own personal feelings in regard to how Dylan would have gotten to the lake, but it's all just based upon my opinion and gut feelings - nothing solid to back it up with. And, let me just say this; I hope that I am completely wrong, and that Dylan is somewhere safe. That is what I continue to pray for when I think of him and his family - that and for the truth to be known, no matter what that truth is.

ETA: I just keep coming back to the fact that there were two different dogs that alerted at the lake - in the same place, IIRC. Too much of a coincidence, IMO.

Also - there was a mention of suicide. I don't think there's anything to suggest Dylan was suicidal. I think the plans with friends the next day, and his confirming those plans would contradict a suicidal mental state.

While I do realize that LE do NOT always hold pressers to release statements of caution/warning that their community safety has been likely breached..that their suspicions are that this abduction is more so an act of random vs. targeted/familial..and that parents need to be on alert and more cautious than usual...

Jess's case does prove that LE in this day and age will absolutely release such statements of caution/warning if they feel that others in their community, especially children are possibly at risk more so than what's normally present..

So, while I am a realist and readily admit that more often than not LE agencies choose not to make such statements of caution/warning..and IMO the reason is likely due to not wanting the community over which they preside to become panicked, followed by a wide range of reactive actions/behaviors to ensue due to their striking fear in many parents leading to possible over reactions which could lead to more negative than positive coming from the LE making such type of public statement... but I personally do very much take into account that a) the Ridgeway case was very recent and still present in the majority of Colorado parents minds...as well as b) the Ridgeway case took place in the same state, and while not a neighboring town/county, it is still relatively close in distance even resulting in having FBI agents that are working both the Ridgeway and Redwine cases..

Due to these 2 above mentioned issues among several others it honestly leads me to believe that "IF" these LE agencies(local, state, FBI) thought for one minute that there was a good possibility that this case is the act of a random, stranger abduction IMO I honestly believe these agencies would NOT hesitate even so much as a millisecond in their making a public statement regarding the possibility of this being random, stranger abduction... IMO I feel very strongly that this would have been done ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CASE..

Also I want to bring up another MUCH MORE COMMON statement that LE agencies publicly state in a case within their community that has indicators of being non-familial..and that is the fact that what has become rather standard(IMO especially in smaller, more rural communities) is LE holding at minimum atleast one public Presser where they make both a plea of sorts combined with an extremely subtle way of informing their community that there's a possibility that the perpetrator in the case is amongst them..

They do this with a public plea to the citizens to each think back and focus on the days in question(as in the day of the crime and subsequent days thereafter).. to recall if anyone was edgy, abnormally anxious, or out of sorts...was someone late for work or a no show altogether...was there someone exhibiting these behaviors that since then has been unusually preoccupied..abnormally obsessed with any/all media, news, or talk of the town regarding the crime..someone who has become increasingly agitated ..drinking or using drugs much more frequently than usual...was there someone who possibly was suddenly interested in selling, altering, or obsessively cleaning their vehicle immediately thereafter this crime was committed..etc..etc..etc..

I mean truly the list can go on and on totally dependant on the dynamics of the case as to what significant issues, details, behaviors are put forth in the public statement by LE... therefor as I said LE is essentially able to kill atleast 2 birds with 1 stone in issuing a plea of assistance to the community of how they can actually be of great help in locating and identifying the perp responsible for the abduction/murder of one of their fellow citizens..as well as actually being able to at the same time inform their community that there is actually a possibility that the perp is one of their fellow citizens and that SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOWS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THE BREAK NEEDED TO SOLVING AND BRINGING JUSTICE TO THIS CASE.(as in there are people who know or saw strange behaviors or actions of an individual on the day of the crime..or someone who noticed that since the crime there have been strange or unusual behaviors of a friend, neighbor, or even family member).. and with LE issuing this statement it causes one to reflect and realize what they noticed, saw, or were aware of regarding their seeing or knowing of someones highly unusual or way out of character behaviors that they've been displaying..

This IMO has become quite the SOP for abductions/murders within a community that they find are not immediately solved.. LE releasing very similar statements to the community over which they preside..jmo..

IMO if these LE agencies that are involved in Dylan's case believed there was even the slightest of possibilities that their community had been breached by an outsider or rather an insider.. IMO these LE Agencies would not hesitate for one millisecond to immediately press release a statement similar to the above mentioned where not only are they very subtly informing the community that there's possibly the responsible perp amongst them, but also aggressively informing them of the actions and behavior to BOLO for among their neighbors, Co workers, friends, acquaintances, and even family members..as well as telling them how that they each can help/assist to resolve and bring justice to their fellow citizen who has been abducted/murdered(ie. that would be Dylan in this case)..

Its my honest and very strong opinion that the absence of the above described actions on the part of these LE Agencies working Dylan's case more than likely are due to the fact that this is NOT the act of a random, stranger abduction/murder.. my opinion is far from based solely upon the above issues, but rather much different in that there are numerous issues that lead to my having this strong opinion ...all in all tho, its all jmo and nothing more at this time.
 
Lol, we have been thru this all day-the reward is NOT limited to his safe return. It is worded as to the location of his whereabouts.

I'm just now catching up. I apologize if I misunderstood.
 
*once again my apologies for being so far behind and in catch up mode..still traveling and not able to keep up as I usually do..my apologies:blushing: *



While I do realize that LE do NOT always hold pressers to release statements of caution/warning that their community safety has been likely breached..that their suspicions are that this abduction is more so an act of random vs. targeted/familial..and that parents need to be on alert and more cautious than usual...

Jess's case does prove that LE in this day and age will absolutely release such statements of caution/warning if they feel that others in their community, especially children are possibly at risk more so than what's normally present..

So, while I am a realist and readily admit that more often than not LE agencies choose not to make such statements of caution/warning..and IMO the reason is likely due to not wanting the community over which they preside to become panicked, followed by a wide range of reactive actions/behaviors to ensue due to their striking fear in many parents leading to possible over reactions which could lead to more negative than positive coming from the LE making such type of public statement... but I personally do very much take into account that a) the Ridgeway case was very recent and still present in the majority of Colorado parents minds...as well as b) the Ridgeway case took place in the same state, and while not a neighboring town/county, it is still relatively close in distance even resulting in having FBI agents that are working both the Ridgeway and Redwine cases..

Due to these 2 above mentioned issues among several others it honestly leads me to believe that "IF" these LE agencies(local, state, FBI) thought for one minute that there was a good possibility that this case is the act of a random, stranger abduction IMO I honestly believe these agencies would NOT hesitate even so much as a millisecond in their making a public statement regarding the possibility of this being random, stranger abduction... IMO I feel very strongly that this would have been done ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CASE..

Also I want to bring up another MUCH MORE COMMON statement that LE agencies publicly state in a case within their community that has indicators of being non-familial..and that is the fact that what has become rather standard(IMO especially in smaller, more rural communities) is LE holding at minimum atleast one public Presser where they make both a plea of sorts combined with an extremely subtle way of informing their community that there's a possibility that the perpetrator in the case is amongst them..

They do this with a public plea to the citizens to each think back and focus on the days in question(as in the day of the crime and subsequent days thereafter).. to recall if anyone was edgy, abnormally anxious, or out of sorts...was someone late for work or a no show altogether...was there someone exhibiting these behaviors that since then has been unusually preoccupied..abnormally obsessed with any/all media, news, or talk of the town regarding the crime..someone who has become increasingly agitated ..drinking or using drugs much more frequently than usual...was there someone who possibly was suddenly interested in selling, altering, or obsessively cleaning their vehicle immediately thereafter this crime was committed..etc..etc..etc..

I mean truly the list can go on and on totally dependant on the dynamics of the case as to what significant issues, details, behaviors are put forth in the public statement by LE... therefor as I said LE is essentially able to kill atleast 2 birds with 1 stone in issuing a plea of assistance to the community of how they can actually be of great help in locating and identifying the perp responsible for the abduction/murder of one of their fellow citizens..as well as actually being able to at the same time inform their community that there is actually a possibility that the perp is one of their fellow citizens and that SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOWS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE THE BREAK NEEDED TO SOLVING AND BRINGING JUSTICE TO THIS CASE.(as in there are people who know or saw strange behaviors or actions of an individual on the day of the crime..or someone who noticed that since the crime there have been strange or unusual behaviors of a friend, neighbor, or even family member).. and with LE issuing this statement it causes one to reflect and realize what they noticed, saw, or were aware of regarding their seeing or knowing of someones highly unusual or way out of character behaviors that they've been displaying..

This IMO has become quite the SOP for abductions/murders within a community that they find are not immediately solved.. LE releasing very similar statements to the community over which they preside..jmo..

IMO if these LE agencies that are involved in Dylan's case believed there was even the slightest of possibilities that their community had been breached by an outsider or rather an insider.. IMO these LE Agencies would not hesitate for one millisecond to immediately press release a statement similar to the above mentioned where not only are they very subtly informing the community that there's possibly the responsible perp amongst them, but also aggressively informing them of the actions and behavior to BOLO for among their neighbors, Co workers, friends, acquaintances, and even family members..as well as telling them how that they each can help/assist to resolve and bring justice to their fellow citizen who has been abducted/murdered(ie. that would be Dylan in this case)..

Its my honest and very strong opinion that the absence of the above described actions on the part of these LE Agencies working Dylan's case more than likely are due to the fact that this is NOT the act of a random, stranger abduction/murder.. my opinion is far from based solely upon the above issues, but rather much different in that there are numerous issues that lead to my having this strong opinion ...all in all tho, its all jmo and nothing more at this time.

bbm: I disagree (eta: with the bolded part principally)
 
I feel like we are reaching the point where discussion is going to come to a standstill, and there will be times when 24 hours (or more) goes between posts. But that's to be expected when there's no new information (and we don't even have much old information to go over) and no one is talking to the media. I knew this would happen, eventually.

BTW, what local news channels does the Vallecito area receive? Denver?
 
bbm: I disagree (eta: with the bolded part principally)

Why do you think that LE has not at least put out a written statement, with the usual statements about recalling anyone who missed work, cleaned or borrowed a vehicle, acted oddly or is obsessive about reading the news, etc.? The average person does not know to think about these things the way we here do. They need to be prompted.

If LE does not have a suspect, what could be their justification for not communicating with their citizens? They certainly can't hope that anyone will "forget" a child vanished from their small town.

I cannot think of one valid reason to stay silent unless they have a solid suspect. And for me, if that person were someone other than MR, it seems as though they must have some evidence or how else would they have known to focus on this alleged suspect? Do we suppose they have a tiny bit of circumstantial evidence pointing to someone, but not enough to charge? If that is the case, that is not a good enough reason to keep so silent. IMO
 
BTW, I just saw that Dylan and Isabel are both on their 25th thread. That actually surprises me a lot. Isabel went missing six months before Dylan. Her case also got a lot more media coverage, and there seemed to be a lot more information released about it. So I am surprised that both cases have accumulated around the same number of posts at this time.
 
BTW, I just saw that Dylan and Isabel are both on their 25th thread. That actually surprises me a lot. Isabel went missing six months before Dylan. Her case also got a lot more media coverage, and there seemed to be a lot more information released about it. So I am surprised that both cases have accumulated around the same number of posts at this time.

It is strange which cases touch nerves in so many people. No telling, IMO. And of course Dylan's case has thread upon thread of frustration and arguments about the lack of info. If we only talked about what we knew, we would still be thread #1.
 
bbm: I disagree (eta: with the bolded part principally)

as do others as well..will you elaborate on why you disagree that if the local, state, and/or FBI that are working this case found indicators pointing to this being a random, stranger/loose acquaintance abduction and/or murder that they WOULD NOT make any statement whatsoever regarding the community to think back on the days in question(day of the crime and the days that followed) and recall if they know of or saw neighbor, Co worker, friend, family member, etc was questionably absent or late..or anyone noticably acting overly agitated, obsessively cleaning or altering their vehicle..someone overly preoccupied with any/all news, details, or talk of the crime, etc, etc, etc of the numerous list of many that LE note and ask their community to report... why wouldn't they?

its seen in numerous cases that the LE agencies press release these type pleas to their community in which a fellow citizen has been abducted or murdered and there's indicators that its non familial...so I'm curious as to why you disagree that LE agencies in this case WOULD NOT make such a statement?

TIA:)

eta: I see clu already beat me to essentially my same question as above..
 
Well, someone's talking. I'm so heartbroken for ER and CR... over and over and over again.


Anyhow, Let the dissecting of this interview begin.


"The last person to see Dylan was Mark. It angers me that he's not corresponding with us, that he won't speak to us, that he's choosing to lay low," she said.

They both believe there are clues and someone who knows something.

"I'm Dylan's mom. I've got to hope he's out there safe and whoever knows, has him, has compassion in their hearts to let him come home to his family," said Elaine.



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