Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #55 *ARREST*

[steeltowngirl]

If KK was actually afraid of PF, she would not have lied to the FBI.

One of KK's friends told the media that KK told her that PF threatened to harm her child. Other than tell that friend, I'm not aware that she did anything to ensure the safety of her child.

JMO

KK would have lied out of fear of her own possible jail time as a result of her involvement.
That wouldn’t mean she’s not also afraid of PF.

 

[Gigi3]

KK would have lied out of fear of her own possible jail time as a result of her involvement.
That wouldn’t mean she’s not also afraid of PF.

Absolutely agree with this! Her fear was twofold. KK was afraid that she was going to be locked up.
KK was afraid of implicating her lover because she had witnessed what PF is willing to do to those he deemed “problems”. IMO

 

[Seattle1]

Once again, for the record......

December 20, 2018 - "NO BOND" was set by Judge Larry Martin of El Paso County

February 18, 2019 - The Amended Complaint featuring eight counts was signed by the Senior Deputy District Attorney

February 20, 2019 - The Amended Complaint featuring eight counts was accepted by Judge Sam Sells of Teller County

The setting of "No Bond" clearly preceeded the filing of eight charges against PF, by 52 days. IMO

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/Amended Complaint and Information.pdf

I'm not sure the purpose of this post but hope it's understood that the initial complaint signed 12/28/18, omitted Count 6 - Tampering with a deceased human body, and Counts 7 & 8 - Crime of Violence.

Again, the amended complaint of 2/20/19 you reference merely added the tampering and crimes of violence charges above, and in no way invalidated PF's two counts of murder as first formerly charged in December 2018.

ETA: add link

Patrick Frazee formally charged with first-degree murder, three counts of solicitation

 

[mickey2942]

KK would have lied out of fear of her own possible jail time as a result of her involvement.
That wouldn’t mean she’s not also afraid of PF.

I would be much more afraid of PF, than the FBI, if I was KK. Maybe something happened, that made her decide to cut a deal.

 

[Gigi3]

Totally agree.

He saw her as part of this, and it’s not like he was wrong.

What he didn’t plan on was authorities being able to make the connection to KK, and KK talking if they did.

Those damn phones again...

O/T but why not the Celtics? Just curious because I’ve seen avatars for football and baseball. Lol

 

[MassGuy]

I would be much more afraid of PF, than the FBI, if I was KK. Maybe something happened, that made her decide to cut a deal.

She lived many hundreds of miles away, and lived with her ex husband. I’m not convinced she was scared of PF.

I think she did this out of devotion, and feigned fear to justify her actions.

I think she talked, because she knew they had her dead to rights. This was her one chance to save herself from decades in prison, and she took it.

And @Gigi3, because basketball sucks.

 

[Dave F.]

Dave, I’m trying to understand the significance of this information. To me, it just indicates that the judge found PF to be that dangerous and/ or a flight risk even earlier than the charges being filed.

What am I missing?

I have never seen anyone charged with First Degree Murder in the State of Colorado that was allowed to post bond, but I what do I know? I think you would have to ask one of the experts why it happens that way. JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Honestly, I think PF is so self absorbed that he never considered the idea that KK would even get a plea deal, much less accept it.
I think he figured she was up to her eyeballs in the whole situation and would NEVER sell him out. Especially, knowing that she tried not once but THREE times to murder Kelsey.
In PFs mind, he saw KK as equally culpable and figured she would sink right along with him if she were to ever admit to anything.
I’m absolutely disgusted by KK’s actions, BUT I am thankful that she will hopefully be able to put him away for life. MOO

Agree.

PF may have even hoped she’d lie and come up with a hit man story. And save his azz.

Heck, if it were true, HE would have told the investigators the story - to save himself from first degree murder. Now he will try to say KK did it, but notably he’s not using the alternate suspect route. He doesn’t have the evidence, because as has been said many times, if she wasn’t there, she wasn’t there.

If neither he or she could support a story with evidence, as it was simply not true, then no way the DA was going to buy it.

KK had one chance at this, which was tell what really happened, and let the DA vet it for supporting evidence.

That’s what she did, and any thoughts of charging her for crimes they have no evidence for, would have resulted in no plea bargain, no testimony from her, both pleading not guilty, and possibly BOTH of them walking.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I have never seen anyone charged with First Degree Murder in the State of Colorado that was allowed to post bond, but I what do I know? I think you would have to ask one of the experts why it happens that way. JMO

I was asking you since you brought the information forward. I thought it had some significance beyond what I mentioned. What I derive from it is it shows how dangerous they saw PF, even in advance of the charges.

ETA I’m not a lawyer. Or a basketball fan.

 

[Seattle1]

She lived many hundreds of miles away, and lived with her ex husband. I’m not convinced she was scared of PF.

I think she did this out of devotion, and feigned fear to justify her actions.

I think she talked, because she knew they had her dead to rights. This was her one chance to save herself from decades in prison, and she took it.

And @Gigi3, because basketball sucks.

She was faced with having to explain why she didn't report the three times PF solicited her to murder KB.

She lied about fearing PF to save face with her friends in Idaho-- including the legal assistant and her attorney employer!

 

[GordianKnot]

PF is a coward. I've no doubt his preference would be to blindfold and strike a helpless, unsuspecting woman-- than face her, and take a chance of KB defending herself.

BBM:

PF is such a coward, in fact, that he wanted a woman to do his killing for him.
He was eventually forced to abandon that idea when KK dug in and refused to do it.

I'm convinced that PF is used to the women in his life "taking care" of him.

I'm also convinced that a bat was the murder weapon.
There's no reason for him to make that up, and no reason for KK to make it up, either.
I think we'll hear testimony in court that the amount of blood and where it was found in the townhome is consistent with someone having been beaten to death with a baseball bat.

That people seem to think PF couldn't possibly conceive of such a stupid "plan" is laughable to me.
Of course he could.
This is PF we're talking about here.
Never, ever, ever underestimate PF's moroniocy, the fact that moroniocy isn't actually a word, notwithstanding.

The weakest link in PF's plan wasn't KK.

The weakest link was, is, and always will be, PF himself.

He's his own worst enemy.

He was also, without question, KB's worst enemy.

JMO.

 

[Seattle1]

No hit man ever suspected:

The other three separate charges were for solicitation to commit first-degree murder. The description beneath the list of charges read, “Between and including September 1, 2018 and November 1, 2018, Patrick Frazee unlawfully and feloniously commanded, induced, entreated, or otherwise attempted to persuade another person to commit murder in the first-degree.”

May told News 5’s Sam Kraemer that the three counts of solicitation does not necessarily mean that three different people might have been involved in solicitation efforts, but that Frazee had reached out to an individual on at least three different occasions. bbm

Patrick Frazee formally charged with first-degree murder, three counts of solicitation

 

[Dave F.]

I was asking you since you brought the information forward. I thought it had some significance beyond what I mentioned. What I derive from it is it shows how dangerous they saw PF, even in advance of the charges.

ETA I’m not a lawyer. Or a basketball fan.

Or, they just always do it that way. Either way, it seems to work for them. IMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

BBM:

PF is such a coward, in fact, that he wanted a woman to do his killing for him.
He was eventually forced to abandon that idea when KK dug in and refused to do it.

I'm convinced that PF is used to the women in his life "taking care" of him.

I'm also convinced that a bat was the murder weapon.
There's no reason for him to make that up, and no reason for KK to make it up, either.
I think we'll hear testimony in court that the amount of blood and where it was found in the townhome is consistent with someone having been beaten to death with a baseball bat.

That people seem to think PF couldn't possibly conceive of such a stupid "plan" is laughable to me.
Of course he could.
This is PF we're talking about here.
Never, ever, ever underestimate PF's moroniocy, the fact that moroniocy isn't actually a word, notwithstanding.

The weakest link in PF's plan wasn't KK.

The weakest link was, is, and always will be, PF himself.

He's his own worst enemy.

He was also, without question, KB's worst enemy.

JMO.

PF is such a coward that he thought murdering the mother of his child was a better option than co-parenting a beautiful baby and paying some child support. Like civil people everywhere do.

 

[k-mac]

If PF had cleaned up the scene himself, and tossed the cell phone away, he wouldn't be in jail now.

He over thought the crime. And involving KK was a mistake. I believe that KK is actually afraid of PF. She saw what he did to Kelsey. Who would want to be with PF, after seeing that type of violence? Definitely wouldn't be an aphrodisiac for romance.

KK saw telling the story as a way out, because PF could have easily realized KK was a liability, and she could have had an "accident" at any time. Falling while hiking, whatever...it was only a matter of time.

bbm
"you've got a mess to clean up"
sounds co -conspired to me.
there that's my end done...now your turn.

kk didn't do anything to suggest to anybody she was in deep doo doo and scared for her life.
she sneakily did everything she thought she could to cover her tracks of getting to Colorado incognito.

seeing her for real at the sonic window after she has cleaned up that crime scene.
the fact she had worked up an appetite.... comfortable with her actions imo
flicking her hair and checking her self in the mirror she did not appear like she had a care in the world.

moo

 

[MassGuy]

bbm
"you've got a mess to clean up"
sounds co -conspired to me.
there that's my end done...now your turn.

kk didn't do anything to suggest to anybody she was in deep doo doo and scared for her life.
she sneakily did everything she thought she could to cover her tracks of getting to Colorado incognito.

seeing her for real at the sonic window after she has cleaned up that crime scene.
the fact she had worked up an appetite.... comfortable with her actions imo
flicking her hair and checking her self in the mirror she did not appear like she had a care in the world.

moo

Don’t forget about the nap and pizza!

And yes, “you’ve got a mess to clean up,” sounds like her end of a deal.

 

[Area52]

BBM:

PF is such a coward, in fact, that he wanted a woman to do his killing for him.
He was eventually forced to abandon that idea when KK dug in and refused to do it.

I'm convinced that PF is used to the women in his life "taking care" of him.

I'm also convinced that a bat was the murder weapon.
There's no reason for him to make that up, and no reason for KK to make it up, either.
I think we'll hear testimony in court that the amount of blood and where it was found in the townhome is consistent with someone having been beaten to death with a baseball bat.

That people seem to think PF couldn't possibly conceive of such a stupid "plan" is laughable to me.
Of course he could.
This is PF we're talking about here.
Never, ever, ever underestimate PF's moroniocy, the fact that moroniocy isn't actually a word, notwithstanding.

The weakest link in PF's plan wasn't KK.

The weakest link was, is, and always will be, PF himself.

He's his own worst enemy.

He was also, without question, KB's worst enemy.

JMO.

Moroniocy AND idiocity. You, my friend are a genius!

 

[MyBelle]

Wait...so the blood that KK planted is NOT the same blood that KB's mom found?

How does that work?

What evidence is there that KK planted any blood then?

I'm going by what was reported from the preliminary hearing by reporter Sam Kraemer. The blood KB's mom found in the bathroom triggered a more thorough look at the bathroom and blood was detected in other places in the bath leading LE to believe it was KB's blood and it was the crime scene. I don't know how blood could have gone round the corner, down the hall and onto the fireplace unless it was intentionally planted there. At the prelim, the Slater said testing was not yet completed on the blood found in places KK said she left it.

DNA of another male was found in Kelsey's bathroom sink. If the bathroom is the crime scene and the male DNA found there isn't Frazee's then I don't believe it is a giant leap to assume someone else was solicited to kill KB.

JMO

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing


3:31 p.m.
Defense points out the DNA of another male was found in Kelsey’s sink. Tests revealed it wasn’t that of Patrick Frazee.


3:02 p.m.
Slater says CBI agents were able to find areas where blood remained in Berreth’s townhome. That includes the fireplace and a nearby wall with a light switch. Again, that matches Kenney’s story. Slater says testing on those samples isn’t complete yet.

2:04 p.m.
Per Slater, Kenney says she purposely left blood spatter in certain areas of the house. That includes spots on the fireplace, a switch near the fireplace, and the baby gate that was leaning on the wall that leads upstairs. Why she did that? She told Slater she wanted police to find that and find her soon.

 

[MyBelle]

I was asking you since you brought the information forward. I thought it had some significance beyond what I mentioned. What I derive from it is it shows how dangerous they saw PF, even in advance of the charges.

ETA I’m not a lawyer. Or a basketball fan.

It shows that in Colorado, everybody charged with murder is denied bail and has nothing to do with the judge's opinion of the evidence.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I'm going by what was reported from the preliminary hearing by reporter Sam Kraemer. The blood KB's mom found in the bathroom triggered a more thorough look at the bathroom and blood was detected in other places in the bath leading LE to believe it was KB's blood and it was the crime scene. I don't know how blood could have gone round the corner, down the hall and onto the fireplace unless it was intentionally planted there. At the prelim, the Slater said testing was not yet completed on the blood found in places KK said she left it.

DNA of another male was found in Kelsey's bathroom sink. If the bathroom is the crime scene and the male DNA found there isn't Frazee's then I don't believe it is a giant leap to assume someone else was solicited to kill KB.

JMO

Live blog: Patrick Frazee appears in court for preliminary hearing


3:31 p.m.
Defense points out the DNA of another male was found in Kelsey’s sink. Tests revealed it wasn’t that of Patrick Frazee.


3:02 p.m.
Slater says CBI agents were able to find areas where blood remained in Berreth’s townhome. That includes the fireplace and a nearby wall with a light switch. Again, that matches Kenney’s story. Slater says testing on those samples isn’t complete yet.

2:04 p.m.
Per Slater, Kenney says she purposely left blood spatter in certain areas of the house. That includes spots on the fireplace, a switch near the fireplace, and the baby gate that was leaning on the wall that leads upstairs. Why she did that? She told Slater she wanted police to find that and find her soon.

The arrest affidavit explicitly states that KK said the murder occurred in the living room, not in the bathroom.

Blood didn’t travel around any corner, and again, there is zero evidence it was planted.

Foreign DNA and fingerprints are found at just about every crime scene. Finding unknown DNA doesn’t prove anything.