Found Deceased CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #27

[Kensie]

Good night all. A super rough day at work.

Until tomorrow, at least for me.

RIP Shanann, Bella and CeCe.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Nobody kills four (niko) family members in the heat of the moment and then gets rid of their bodies in a great hiding place that fast in only a couple of hours. No way. IMHO

I’m going with premiditaton even if a day or two in advance.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Agree- flying is gross. However, I personally don't think she showered. I've always been perplexed about the suitcase being found at the bottom of the steps. It seems like it must be important to the pieces of this puzzle but I'm not sure how exactly.

To me it signals something happened rather quickly after she got home. The only reason I can think the suitcase would still be at the bottom of the stairs is if she, or CW, just hadn't had a chance to bring it up yet.

Maybe she left her stuff downstairs and rushed up to confront him.

I don't think she would necessarily need her suitcase upstairs to take a shower.

 

[ACE422]

IMO
CW did NOT appear "calm", "cool" or "collected" during his interviews as some people have stated. I saw anxiety. Hugging himself through most of the interviews (to distance others from seeing what was inside him or to comfort himself). Rocking back and forth. He didn't know what to do with himself. "My heart is racing." Nervous laughter. Fear. Like a deer in the headlights.
JMO

 

[pocketaccent]

But wouldn't this mean he would have decided to leave decomposing bodies in his truck in the heat all morning?

Yup, slowly rotting away in garbage bags. What a dad!
(It's just my wild speculation only though)

 

[mtnlites]

You would think that there would be something in that suitcase that she need to shower and brush her teeth, wouldn't you?

She'd been traveling a lot lately (the 6 weeks in NC, the various Thrive conventions, etc.). It's possible that she had travel-sized bottles of things in her suitcase and her "regular" bottles of shampoo, conditioner, shower gel, toothpaste in the bathroom. That's how I travel, anyway, and I am on the road a lot. In fact, I keep my suitcase packed full of toiletries at all time. I just add and remove clothing.

Since her phone was found upstairs in the loft area, I am kind of assuming that she DID actually make it up the stairs at some point. But then again, he could have taken her phone up there himself so maybe not.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

You would think that there would be something in that suitcase that she need to shower and brush her teeth, wouldn't you?

No, not really.

 

[MassGuy]

IMO
CW did NOT appear "calm", "cool" or "collected" during his interviews as some people have stated. I saw anxiety. Hugging himself through most of the interviews (to distance others from seeing what was inside him or to comfort himself). Rocking back and forth. He didn't know what to do with himself. "My heart is racing." Nervous laughter. Fear. Like a deer in the headlights.
JMO

He may have appeared nervous, but he certainly didn’t appear emotional. That interview showed a man who was cold and distant.

Some people get nervous in front of crowds of reporters, others are nervous because they have a horrific secret to hide.

 

[human]

I too think that she was killed on the first floor, those dogs barking seemed really close to where he was on the porch. Really close.

Why is the bed stripped and the bottom sheet missing?,He could have gotten a fresh, new sheet

 

[Whiteorchids]

IMO
CW did NOT appear "calm", "cool" or "collected" during his interviews as some people have stated. I saw anxiety. Hugging himself through most of the interviews (to distance others from seeing what was inside him or to comfort himself). Rocking back and forth. He didn't know what to do with himself. "My heart is racing." Nervous laughter. Fear. Like a deer in the headlights.
JMO

Quiet introverted men are thinkers. I think he had been thinking about this for quite sometime.

 

[cailleach]

You would think that there would be something in that suitcase that she need to shower and brush her teeth, wouldn't you?

Not necessarily. My suitcase always has travel size toiletries in a bag that unfolds and hangs in the bathroom when traveling. I never travel with my home toothbrush. lol

 

[Best of What's Around]

IMO
CW did NOT appear "calm", "cool" or "collected" during his interviews as some people have stated. I saw anxiety. Hugging himself through most of the interviews (to distance others from seeing what was inside him or to comfort himself). Rocking back and forth. He didn't know what to do with himself. "My heart is racing." Nervous laughter. Fear. Like a deer in the headlights.
JMO

I can see what you mean. But in his presentation online on relationships, he similarly rocks back and forth - it appears to be something he does when having to speak in front of people. He absolutely appears nervous. But I think he was extraordinarily calm, cool and collected for a man lying through his teeth who just killed his entire family. It is even more so the case were we to give credence to his confession that he was witness to his children, which he says are his whole life, being murdered - taken away from him forever by his wife, whom he killed in a rage for a man who rarely showed anger according to people close him (actually I believe they say never)...so yes, I do find him to be superhumanly calm, cool, and collected...the nervousness honestly seems to be not much of a level up from his obvious extreme nervousness giving a 15 minute presentation for school to his living room group of four or five friends.

 

[Nudgee]

I do too because her suitcase and shoes were at the bottom of the stairs.

I think her shoes were at the front door (lots of folks take shoes off at front door - I’m not one of them but), when I get home from a trip, no matter what time of day, I always leave the luggage at the foot of the stairs. Our laundry room is on the first floor so I prefer to unload the dirty clothes from downstairs straight to laundry

Agree- flying is gross. However, I personally don't think she showered. I've always been perplexed about the suitcase being found at the bottom of the steps. It seems like it must be important to the pieces of this puzzle but I'm not sure how exactly.

To me it signals something happened rather quickly after she got home. The only reason I can think the suitcase would still be at the bottom of the stairs is if she, or CW, just hadn't had a chance to bring it up yet.

Shoes at front door/suitcase at bottom of stairs doesn’t trigger anything for me. I always leave our suitcases at the foot of the stairs. Our laundry room is on the first floor and we store our luggage in the front hall closet across from the stairs. I unload the dirty clothes from the suitcases right at the foot of the stairs and on into the laundry room (usually the next day why carry up suitcases full of dirty laundry only to bring it all back down .... toiletry bags/shoes, etc go on a stair or two until the next time up the stairs, empty suitcases go back into the hall closet, my purse always goes into its spot in the kitchen area. It seemed normal to me. The loft area directly above is my concern,

 

[Deleted member 230544]

She'd been traveling a lot lately (the 6 weeks in NC, the various Thrive conventions, etc.). It's possible that she had travel-sized bottles of things in her suitcase and her "regular" bottles of shampoo, conditioner, shower gel, toothpaste in the bathroom. That's how I travel, anyway, and I am on the road a lot. In fact, I keep my suitcase packed full of toiletries at all time. I just add and remove clothing.

Since her phone was found upstairs in the loft area, I am kind of assuming that she DID actually make it up the stairs at some point. But then again, he could have taken her phone up there himself so maybe not.

Who knows, maybe SW put her suitcase in the garage when she got home and CW took it out of the garage and put at the bottom of the stairs with him intending to deal with it later. Why I suggest SW putting the suitcase in the garage is because SW was OCD according to NUA about a clean home and so am I and when I return from travels I always put my suitcase in the garage for fear of bedbugs from hotels, airplanes etc transferring into my home. Then I wash the clothes and check the luggage when I unpack later. Could be ridiculous habit to some but maybe it was something SW did as well. As for toiletries, I think most women have duplicates and options available in the bathroom to use instead of having to unpack the moment one returns home. jmo

 

[BeanieBod]

Thank you so much PommyMommy! I kept up with your media updates today in the media thread. The footprints request is a huge new revelation, IMO.
What could this mean? Did he step on the bodies with his bare feet while they were inside a bag?

I'm picturing him taking off his shoes and climbing down the ladder inside the oil tank, then using his feet to push the girls under the oil.
But would a footprint still be retrievable if the bag was submerged in oil?
Other ideas?

Just when I thought we had run out of horrid actions on his part, I agree that he could have done that. He no longer saw them as his children. Just sickening. MOO

 

[Nudgee]

I think her shoes were at the front door (lots of folks take shoes off at front door - I’m not one of them but), when I get home from a trip, no matter what time of day, I always leave the luggage at the foot of the stairs. Our laundry room is on the first floor so I prefer to unload the dirty clothes from downstairs straight to laundry

Shoes at front door/suitcase at bottom of stairs doesn’t trigger anything for me. I always leave our suitcases at the foot of the stairs. Our laundry room is on the first floor and we store our luggage in the front hall closet across from the stairs. I unload the dirty clothes from the suitcases right at the foot of the stairs and on into the laundry room (usually the next day why carry up suitcases full of dirty laundry only to bring it all back down .... toiletry bags/shoes, etc go on a stair or two until the next time up the stairs, empty suitcases go back into the hall closet, my purse always goes into its spot in the kitchen area. It seemed normal to me. The loft area directly above is my concern,

Double post..... sorry

 

[Mosaic]

dixiegirl1035 said: ↑
In addition, possibly?, that he could see Nicole staying there and walking around the house after the first Contact at 12:10 pm. The police weren't called until later, and where is the timeline for that? I'd like a refresher on that. If somebody has that handy. Thank you.


I still am curious why the gap between the time when NU arrived 12 pm as per interview
mark 2:33

and the time when Officer Coonrod was dispatched at 1:40. That is a large gap in time and I am curious why such a gap before notifying the police or the police being dispatched. Not questioning NU just curious what events occurred between noon and 1:40.
NU stated she called CW when she arrived at their home and discovered what she had. So I assume NU called CW just after 12 pm.
Why did CW not come home right away at around just after 12 pm?
I believe it was noted previously that CW work was 40 minutes away (?) therefore if LE arrived at 1:40 and they called CW and he said he was 5 minutes away then it seems CW left work at around 1 pm. I am curious why CW did not leave right away when NU contacted him I am assuming just after 12 pm?

Is there a possibility that between the time NU contacted CW at around 12 pm and from the time he likely left work at assuming 1 pm, did CW dispose of any bodies during that time?

https://mediaassets.thedenverchannel.com/document/2018/08/20/arrest affidavit chris watts_95256653_ver1.0.pdf?_ga=2.238158472.968662190.1537323071-1351606201.1534867774

"did CW dispose of any bodies during that time" BBM, snipped to avoid confusion​

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I have considered that possibility. It might explains the shallow grave and the evidence left behind at the oil field.​

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JMO MOO MOO​

 

[stg]

BBM

Additionally, the Apple Watch Series 3 (GPS + Cellular) has an 18 hour battery life on a full charge. After a long day of travel and delays, I could definitely see the possibility of the watch battery being completely drained.

It's also important to note that the Apple Watch requires a separate magnetic charging cable; it cannot be charged with the same charger that one would use for an iPhone. IMO, when traveling, it's hard enough hunting down an open outlet in the terminal to charge your single phone, let alone also breaking out a 2nd cable to also charge an electronic watch. If my Apple Watch died while I was traveling, I wouldn't be reliant on it, and would have no problem taking the watch off and throw it in my bag so that I could charge it at home.

In the event that SW was wearing the watch, there could indeed be revealing information captured on it, such as the steps, stairs, and heart rate, down to the minute/second.

Although SW not having the watch on wouldn't necessarily be a dealbreaker in capturing some of that information. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, similar information regarding steps taken and "flights climbed" can similarly be captured instantly by having an iPhone on you (hand, back pocket, purse) -- no Apple Watch required. While we likely wouldn't see heart rate info with just the iPhone, the other details such as steps and flights climbed could be telling, considering we have CW's confession in the affidavit that indicates SW made it past the front door, and up the stairs. So there is also hope for that as well.

Fortunately, SW did seem to be very connected to technology, so I'd imagine that she'd have at least one of the two on her at any given point in time.

JMO.

Since a few people now have brought up the Apple Watch recording stair climbing:

The Apple Watch is not very reliable for counting flights of stairs, I have found. The iPhone however is. On days I do a stair running workout at home, my iPhone will show almost 50 flights of stairs climbed, which is correct, and my Apple Watch will show something like 9 or 10. Maybe it is just the speed at which I am climbing while running, and it better records my walking on stairs. It is an issue for other Watch owners too, as the complaints are online. It is the only thing I do not like about my Apple Watch. So, the Watch may or may not be helpful for investigators for looking at any stair climbs that night. Maybe they both had iPhones on them though.

The battery is awesome on the recent versions of the Watch. I have the 3 series, and on a day I work all day (I am on my feet and moving a lot) and work out after work, my battery is usually in the upper 60% range or better at bed time. I only have to charge it every other night. I do not sleep with it on, and just turn it off the night I am not charging it.

 

[BeanieBod]

I think her shoes were at the front door (lots of folks take shoes off at front door - I’m not one of them but), when I get home from a trip, no matter what time of day, I always leave the luggage at the foot of the stairs. Our laundry room is on the first floor so I prefer to unload the dirty clothes from downstairs straight to laundry

Shoes at front door/suitcase at bottom of stairs doesn’t trigger anything for me. I always leave our suitcases at the foot of the stairs. Our laundry room is on the first floor and we store our luggage in the front hall closet across from the stairs. I unload the dirty clothes from the suitcases right at the foot of the stairs and on into the laundry room (usually the next day why carry up suitcases full of dirty laundry only to bring it all back down .... toiletry bags/shoes, etc go on a stair or two until the next time up the stairs, empty suitcases go back into the hall closet, my purse always goes into its spot in the kitchen area. It seemed normal to me. The loft area directly above is my concern,

IIRC, their laundry room was upstairs.
In the beginning, I thought nothing of her shoes, purse and suitcase being downstairs as that is what most of us would do. However, this is SW who has EVERYTHING in it's place according to NUA. Knowing what NUA said, I think she would have taken everything upstairs to her closet. MOO

 

[cailleach]

He may have appeared nervous, but he certainly didn’t appear emotional. That interview showed a man who was cold and distant.

Some people get nervous in front of crowds of reporters, others are nervous because they have a horrific secret to hide.

I didn't take him for particularly nervous except when the dogs were barking and you could see that got his attention for a moment. He was holding his secrets in with his arms and even by pulling his lips in as if subconsciously he was trying to make sure he didn't let something slip out.

Big contrast between the guy on the evening news and the one in the class video in terms of appearance and confidence, IMO. He was even laying the groundwork for why he was so emotionless by mentioning how his daughter was calm (and maternal) like him. He had to know he lacked the ability to feign the normal emotions.