Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely

[Izzylizzy]

This morning Dr. Chundru put a lot of words in his salad trying to make an uncomplicated case complicated.

The prosecution was going to do a cross of Dr. Chundru this afternoon but I haven't seen anything yet on that.

How does one die w/o first becoming unconscious?

Death or brain death is a given if the chokehold isn't released after one loses consciousness.
Just as it happened with JP.



"He went on to describe how, in a chokehold death, there a two phases: unconsciousness and death.

Pointing to video filmed by passengers on the train, he claimed that a visibly struggling Neely was not first rendered unconscious, and that he actually died immediately.

'What's... important is unconsciousness always proceeds death in a chokehold,' he said.

'This is a very complicated case,' Chundru continued. 'We have schizophrenia involved, sickle cell trait involved, a chokehold.

'In a sickle cell crisis, death is a lack of oxygen,' he explained. 'So the same thing [in] an asphyxia death.'

Chundru added that a victim losing consciousness from having their air passage restricted would not necessarily result in death."

Expert says there is 'no way' Jordan Neely died from subway chokehold

Dr. Satish Chundru, who was called to testify by Penny's attorneys, blamed Jordan Neely's death on a combination of a sickle cell crisis and the effects of synthetic marijuana.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 296739]

This morning Dr. Chundru put a lot of words in his salad trying to make an uncomplicated case complicated.

The prosecution was going to do a cross of Dr. Chundru this afternoon but I haven't seen anything yet on that.

How does one die w/o first becoming unconscious?

Death or brain death is a given if the chokehold isn't released after one loses consciousness.
Just as it happened with JP.



"He went on to describe how, in a chokehold death, there a two phases: unconsciousness and death.

Pointing to video filmed by passengers on the train, he claimed that a visibly struggling Neely was not first rendered unconscious, and that he actually died immediately.

'What's... important is unconsciousness always proceeds death in a chokehold,' he said.

'This is a very complicated case,' Chundru continued. 'We have schizophrenia involved, sickle cell trait involved, a chokehold.

'In a sickle cell crisis, death is a lack of oxygen,' he explained. 'So the same thing [in] an asphyxia death.'

Chundru added that a victim losing consciousness from having their air passage restricted would not necessarily result in death."

Expert says there is 'no way' Jordan Neely died from subway chokehold

Dr. Satish Chundru, who was called to testify by Penny's attorneys, blamed Jordan Neely's death on a combination of a sickle cell crisis and the effects of synthetic marijuana.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Opinion?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I very much appreciate the defense's expert witness Dr. Chundru. I'm not an expert in any of this, but Harris and Chundru are supposed to be, and even they disagree. Knowing that, throws a massive reasonable doubt red flag.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I very much appreciate the defense's expert witness Dr. Chundru. I'm not an expert in any of this, but Harris and Chundru are supposed to be, and even they disagree. Knowing that, throws a massive reasonable doubt red flag.

jmo

And he’s an expert witness with a long history of experience… not on his way up in the field…

And for those that would say, yes but… the D paid him…

Ok, the P paid their “expert” as well… moo

 

[shotgun09]

Ooooh....
We have a little banter during cross exam today of the Forensic Pathologist.

Per Dan Rivoli post:

ADA, speaking of the NYC ME's office - "They’re all wrong, right?"

"Looking at a video, then making a determination, yea, that’s almost malpractice"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859713338227425756

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Ooooh....
We have a little banter during cross exam today of the Forensic Pathologist.

Per Dan Rivoli post:

ADA, speaking of the NYC ME's office - "They’re all wrong, right?"
"Looking at a video, then making a determination, yea, that’s almost malpractice"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1859713338227425756

Ok, well that’s a different perspective…

 

[Sillybilly]

Okay folks, here is the 30 minute Daniel Penny interrogation video from an approved source:

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Okay folks, here is the 30 minute interrogation video from an approved source:

Thank you!

 

[Izzylizzy]

Opinion?

Just as it says.

JMO:
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[Izzylizzy]

Okay folks, here is the 30 minute Daniel Penny interrogation video from an approved source:

You found it!
Thank you!
It's so appreciated.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Just as it says.

JMO:
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I’m sorry, I missed your stating it as your opinion vs fact in the post I was asking about

 

[Sillybilly]

You found it!
Thank you!
It's so appreciated.

You are most welcome, but I can't take the credit ... Tricia found it for y'all and sent me the link !!

Nota bene: ... she sent the link to my cell phone and I am cell phone challenged and have no clue how to do a simple copy/paste of a link. You can send me cookies for the excruciating one-finger typing excercise I experienced typing that never-ending URL

 

[Deleted member 296739]

You are most welcome, but I can't take the credit ... Tricia found it for y'all and sent me the link !!

Nota bene: ... she sent the link to my cell phone and I am cell phone challenged and have no clue how to do a simple copy/paste of a link. You can send me cookies for the excruciating one-finger typing excercise I experienced typing that never-ending URL

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[Izzylizzy]

Opinions and thoughts on a part of DP's interrogation.

Close to the end of the video when the detectives came back in the room they asked DP on the time frame of the other men who came to help him hold down JN.

@ 25:57 DP tells detectives that when the train stopped the 2 guys were there to help hold down JN;
He said he asked then if they had him, they said yes and he then let go of JN and that was that according to DP

Yet there's video of DP holding JN in a choke for minutes after the men's arrival /train stop until after JP lost consciousness and was lifeless.

I don't know if any of the passenger's videos were already seen by the detectives but soon after the detectives returned to the interrogation room to make sure they had it straight when DP said is when he let go of JN that the video ends.

Since it's been reported that the detectives knew that JN had died but DP didn't, it could have been when as reported DP asked if he was going to be detained or arrested because he had a test to take that the detectives told him that Jordan Neely was dead then DP stopped talking and knew he needed a lawyer.

Daniel Penny's words to cops moments after deadly NYC ...​

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Oct 3, 2024 — ... asks if he is being detained, and then asks to speak to a lawyer. Police ended up cutting Penny loose that night — but he was arrested about ...

 

[Izzylizzy]

You are most welcome, but I can't take the credit ... Tricia found it for y'all and sent me the link !!

Nota bene: ... she sent the link to my cell phone and I am cell phone challenged and have no clue how to do a simple copy/paste of a link. You can send me cookies for the excruciating one-finger typing excercise I experienced typing that never-ending URL

To Sillybilly and Tricia.
Enjoy!

 

[GRT]

I very much appreciate the defense's expert witness Dr. Chundru. I'm not an expert in any of this, but Harris and Chundru are supposed to be, and even they disagree. Knowing that, throws a massive reasonable doubt red flag.

jmo

I agree.

And, another thing strikes me--DP didn't ask about JN during his interrogation. To me, that indicates that he didn't think he was dead or badly injured. That tells me that DP didn't think he'd harmed JN--that he likely expected he would make a full recovery.

When I watch the video of the restraint, I notice DP's elbow directly below JN's chin. To me, that suggests DP was not cutting off his air supply--instead, his forearm was pressing against the side of JN's neck. The sleeper hold.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Then how can Chandru claim under oath that it wasn't the chokehold that killed JN it was his medical and or mental issues?

Breaking News from CBS2 - CBS New York

(Harris) "She was in the gallery listening as Chundru told jurors in a complicated case like this, he would need the results of those tests – histology, toxicology, genetic testing and psych records – in order to rule on a cause of death.

The defense asked, "The fact that someone is restrained in a position of a chokehold and dies, does that make it a chokehold death?"

"No," Chundru said."

"Defense attorneys asked, "If we removed all the health and drug issues, would Neely he have died?"

"No," Chundru said."

Forensic pathologist called to testify in Daniel Penny trial disagrees with cause of Jordan Neely's death

The defense in the trial of Daniel Penny called an expert witness – a forensic pathologist – to the stand Thursday.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

Tomorrow the prosecution will cross examine Dr. Chundru.

imo:
The prosecutor will have her ducks in a row.

 

[LinasK]

If I have this right about Dr. Satish Chundru, he's saying that it was the struggle that JN put up that caused his sickle cell to cause the lack of oxygen in his blood and not the chokehold which rendered him unconscious and then killed him.

Even with that claim JN would not have been struggling for 5 mins (the last minute being held he was unconscious) had DP not kept him with 2 other guys in the choke for 5 mins.when JN was no longer the threat that DP held him for..that he was going to kill someone.

Oh puleasse! That just isn't credible. I worked for 13 years as a Speech-Language Pathologist. I saw firsthand the brain-damage caused in stroke and head-injury patients from the immediate lack of oxygen. Sickle-cell disease just isn't going to cause immediate lack of oxygen the way that the force of a choke-hold would. It strains credulity!

 

[LinasK]

I’m very glad to hear the defense called their own medical expert. It’s often said that “medicine is an art, not a science”

IMO that means different experts can have very different yet valid interpretations. All IMO.

Except this particular one isn't credible, IMO.