UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[Trebor5591]

Police have said there is no evidence of: Criminality
Third party involvement
Mental health issues
Financial pressures
Intention to disappear or self harm

Well, that doesn't leave anything else!
It has to be one of those things!

Another possibility is that it could have been an accident. One of the ladies could have slipped and fallen into the river during their early morning walk, with the other one then trying to save her, with both of them drowning. JMO

 

[Skigh]

Police have said there is no evidence of: Criminality
Third party involvement
Mental health issues
Financial pressures
Intention to disappear or self harm

Another possibility is that it could have been an accident. One of the ladies could have slipped and fallen into the river during their early morning walk, with the other one then trying to save her, with both of them drowning. JMO

That does not fit in with them phoning their landlady and giving up their tenancy.

 

[TonnnnUK]

The units/warehouses on the same side of the road as the river path are no longer there; it's derelict land. Google maps is not uptodate. Please look back to the beginning of thread 2 (possibly page 3) to view pictures of what the area now looks like.

Appreciate Google street view may not be fully up to date (currently Apr 2023 so not THAT long ago) but I was referring to the units on the opposite side, the ones facing across towards the river.

This one for instance has 2 cameras looking out onto the road and another at the side covering Cabel's st.

Some of the other units along there such as this one or this auto-parts place also have cameras along there too.

If the theory is that sisters had come back towards the road before they reached the boat clubs (as they weren't seen on that CCTV), these would surely have caught something.

 

[V_248]

Considering it's been more than 10 days, is it still possible for the bodies to be recovered?
(If they did take their own lives in the water)
I wonder if they planned to disappear or could it be something else?
IMO, maybe they had a close relationship with the landlady (?) That'd explain why they texted her and why she'd be alarmed.

(I've only read 15 pages of the thread, my bad if some of these have been covered previously)

 

[davidt]

Must be difficult for the police. They have a hard set of circumstances. To date they've found nothing to say what the situation with the sisters is. Nothing to indicate there were any problems. On the other hand they know where the sisters went and where the last message came from. However again so far they've found nothing tangible at all. No possessions, clothing and least of all the sister's themselves. So whilst they have a good idea what happened they don't know for certain and still have to consider other possibilities.

 

[iamshadow21]

Considering it's been more than 10 days, is it still possible for the bodies to be recovered?
(If they did take their own lives in the water)
I wonder if they planned to disappear or could it be something else?
IMO, maybe they had a close relationship with the landlady (?) That'd explain why they texted her and why she'd be alarmed.

(I've only read 15 pages of the thread, my bad if some of these have been covered previously)

It's possible. It took twenty days for the London acid attacker's body to be found in the Thames, and it was a similar time of year.

It really depends on whether they went out to sea and whether they are washed back ashore.

MOO

 

[lamberta]

Appreciate Google street view may not be fully up to date (currently Apr 2023 so not THAT long ago) but I was referring to the units on the opposite side, the ones facing across towards the river.

This one for instance has 2 cameras looking out onto the road and another at the side covering Cabel's st.

Some of the other units along there such as this one or this auto-parts place also have cameras along there too.

If the theory is that sisters had come back towards the road before they reached the boat clubs (as they weren't seen on that CCTV), these would surely have caught something.

This was also discussed many pages previously. It's not possible for us, the public, to say the sisters would definitely have been seen on CCTV if they exited onto the road and made an escape somehow. There are many reasons for this, for example, there may be patches of the road that are not covered by CCTV, some cameras may not have been working, we do not know the quality or reach of those cameras, there may have been high-sided vehicles obstructing view, the sisters may have known which route to take to avoid being caught on camera, etc, etc. Police are aware of the evidence they have and they are also aware of the gaps in that evidence.

 

[TMich6811]

This was also discussed many pages previously. It's not possible for us, the public, to say the sisters would definitely have been seen on CCTV if they exited onto the road and made an escape somehow. There are many reasons for this, for example, there may be patches of the road that are not covered by CCTV, some cameras may not have been working, we do not know the quality or reach of those cameras, there may have been high-sided vehicles obstructing view, the sisters may have known which route to take to avoid being caught on camera, etc, etc. Police are aware of the evidence they have and they are also aware of the gaps in that evidence.

I saw a local report that they put several same weighted dummies in the water and they all arrived to the same area - have you seen any news about this locally?

 

[Doric Loon]

Ironically the weather we currently incoming for the next few days may actually speed up a body being found, seeing the direction of wind and speed. It’s been fairly cold (you know what I am suggesting) and for the season fairly windless.

It took less than two weeks for the teacher that was thought to have fallen in the Dee River back in 2004 to be found, on a beach North of Aberdeen. No idea what the weather conditions were like at the time.

Two bodies may have a different affect on such patterns, the shipping movements in the Habrour at the time also may have disturbed the natural movement too.

 

[lamberta]

I saw a local report that they put several same weighted dummies in the water and they all arrived to the same area - have you seen any news about this locally?

I haven't seen anything about that - was the report referring to this specific case? Do you have a link?

 

[JessCat]

Ironically the weather we currently incoming for the next few days may actually speed up a body being found, seeing the direction of wind and speed. It’s been fairly cold (you know what I am suggesting) and for the season fairly windless.

It took less than two weeks for the teacher that was thought to have fallen in the Dee River back in 2004 to be found, on a beach North of Aberdeen. No idea what the weather conditions were like at the time.

Two bodies may have a different affect on such patterns, the shipping movements in the Habrour at the time also may have disturbed the natural movement too.

I don't know what you are suggesting. Could you please elaborate? Thank you.

 

[Doric Loon]

I don't know what you are suggesting. Could you please elaborate? Thank you.

In very cold water, the bacterial action that causes a body to bloat with gas may be so slowed that the body stays on the seabed, add in less disturbance from wind-driven currents due to the current weather, but the next few days are very much different wind wise.

 

[Highwayr]

It's known they walked. It's in fact know that they were down by the river earlier that day around 12 hours prior to their disappearance. Police have tracked them walking from there back to their home. And then again back down to the river until they disappear.

The appeal for CCTV from businesses around the area was early on and I assume some/all will have provided what they have, likely not showing the sisters resurfacing from the area of the path. That area of Esplanade looks to have units with CCTV pointing along the road, and the boat clubs also have CCTV.

I'm struggling to imagine they somehow cut up from the path back to the road without being picked up again.

Any vehicle activity in the area happening around that time the sisters were on that path will also be scrutinised. If police were interested in the possibility they managed to slip into a car which then soon left the scene I'm sure they would be tracking it, and appealing to the public if they somehow couldn't id the vehicle and it's owner/rentee via all of the CCTV and ANPR cameras.

That kind of investigation I would class as a criminal one however (kidnapping, trafficking, fraud etc), and they've said all along they are not treating it as criminal.

<modsnip> The majority of the street and buildings don't seem to have cctv and of the 3 that do one is pointing sideways at the door(Arnold clark autos) and the other two are near each other(Gold star/Otto Motors) all in the middle of the street. From Arnold clark down to the end of s esplanade past the park and apt's there's no cctv. On the street from the beginning at Allens auto gleam to Gold stars in the middle there's no cctv. If the girls stayed on the opposite sidewalk past Gold star and walked all the way down the street or got into a car they likely would not have been seen. Like stated the street views are out of date and the street is less developed now so locals would have to fill us in

If they have friends in the Torry area they may have used short cuts before

We don't know what all their movements were that night as its still being pieced together and i haven't heard an update.

We don't know what the police knows or doesn't know because they haven't said much of anything on evidence.. Which just leads to more speculation and questions.

Like pointed out here the police have said their not treating it as self harm, planned disappearance, mental health, third party involvement, financial pressures or criminality. Which just leaves accident, but since there's no evidence they went into the water they can't say that either.

 

[Sarahlou]

<modsnip> The majority of the street and buildings don't seem to have cctv and of the 3 that do one is pointing sideways at the door(Arnold clark autos) and the other two are near each other(Gold star/Otto Motors) all in the middle of the street. From Arnold clark down to the end of s esplanade past the park and apt's there's no cctv. On the street from the beginning at Allens auto gleam to Gold stars in the middle there's no cctv. If the girls stayed on the opposite sidewalk past Gold star and walked all the way down the street or got into a car they likely would not have been seen. Like stated the street views are out of date and the street is less developed now so locals would have to fill us in

If they have friends in the Torry area they may have used short cuts before

We don't know what all their movements were that night as its still being pieced together and i haven't heard an update.

We don't know what the police knows or doesn't know because they haven't said much of anything on evidence.. Which just leads to more speculation and questions.

Like pointed out here the police have said their not treating it as self harm, planned disappearance, mental health, third party involvement, financial pressures or criminality. Which just leaves accident, but since there's no evidence they went into the water they can't say that either.

They've not said that. They've only said they are not treating it as suspicious/criminal. They didn't find anything at the flat that suggested self harm but that doesn't mean it wasn't or they're not treating it like that.
Self harm is the only logical explanation imo and they will certainly be thinking that's highly likely even if they don't say it.

Given all we know it's just not realistic in any way to think this was an accident.

 

[Doric Loon]

<modsnip> The majority of the street and buildings don't seem to have cctv and of the 3 that do one is pointing sideways at the door(Arnold clark autos) and the other two are near each other(Gold star/Otto Motors) all in the middle of the street. From Arnold clark down to the end of s esplanade past the park and apt's there's no cctv. On the street from the beginning at Allens auto gleam to Gold stars in the middle there's no cctv. If the girls stayed on the opposite sidewalk past Gold star and walked all the way down the street or got into a car they likely would not have been seen. Like stated the street views are out of date and the street is less developed now so locals would have to fill us in

If they have friends in the Torry area they may have used short cuts before

We don't know what all their movements were that night as its still being pieced together and i haven't heard an update.

We don't know what the police knows or doesn't know because they haven't said much of anything on evidence.. Which just leads to more speculation and questions.

Like pointed out here the police have said they’re not treating it as self harm, planned disappearance, mental health, third party involvement, financial pressures or criminality. Which just leaves accident, but since there's no evidence they went into the water they can't say that either.

I disagree, there little to no chance they could haven slipped by without CCTv spotting them and certainly not a car. Having had a walk down the road myself the other day. They may have got a street away without being spotted but the next street they would have been seen, as would any cars and that would have been the appeal.

The only way would be under the bridge which causes issues as it is a live harbour, also not easy to get out of not being spotted, especially two youngish females or they went in the water.

 

[Highwayr]

I disagree, there little to no chance they could haven slipped by without CCTv spotting them and certainly not a car. Having had a walk down the road myself the other day. They may have got a street away without being spotted but the next street they would have been seen, as would any cars and that would have been the appeal.

The only way would be under the bridge which causes issues as it is a live harbour, also not easy to get out of not being spotted, especially two youngish females or they went in the water.

<modsnip> Give some specifics on where the CCTV's are or have changed from the 3 i wrote. If they got in the back of an unknown car, van, suv unseen and then left the area then police wouldn't know which car to look for would they.

 

[lamberta]

I disagree, there little to no chance they could haven slipped by without CCTv spotting them and certainly not a car. Having had a walk down the road myself the other day. They may have got a street away without being spotted but the next street they would have been seen, as would any cars and that would have been the appeal.

The only way would be under the bridge which causes issues as it is a live harbour, also not easy to get out of not being spotted, especially two youngish females or they went in the water.

Have you seen the available CCTV recordings from the area during the night/early morning in question?

 

[TonnnnUK]

IF the "jumping into a car while evading CCTV" method was to be pulled off I think the only way would be that a car was parked on S Esplanade W ahead of time in a spot where there are no cameras covering it.

They scrambled up off the path over the wasteland to said car, stay in it for a good amount of time before driving away. That road is one way, heading back towards the bridge and there are street CCTV around there, there's also the narrow lanes connecting to Menzies Rd that a car could have go along. Those are seemingly where cameras are again.

If they required assistance and a driver (they might not have been able to drive), said person would have had to have brought the car there ahead of time.

If they timed it for the vehicle to arrive and depart at the same time they would have been seen on a camera I am certain, and the police surely would be looking for any vehicle activity at that same period of time the sisters were around the bridge and path.

Just my opinion but this scenario is way too far fetched. The above method is plausible and they made their escape for a new life undetected. But I just don't see it.

 

[Mandala]

It is a fairly industrial area right? Would there usually be work vehicles (vans, trucks, utes) going in and out of the area at all hours? If so, would police have followed up on all of them? Interesting to hear from locals who have posted about the location of CCTV. IMO it’s unlikely they got into a vehicle. Could they have gone into one of the buildings to meet up with someone? Also IMO this is unlikely but want to know if these theories can be ruled out.

 

[lamberta]

IF the "jumping into a car while evading CCTV" method was to be pulled off I think the only way would be that a car was parked on S Esplanade W ahead of time in a spot where there are no cameras covering it.

They scrambled up off the path over the wasteland to said car, stay in it for a good amount of time before driving away. That road is one way, heading back towards the bridge and there are street CCTV around there, there's also the narrow lanes connecting to Menzies Rd that a car could have go along. Those are seemingly where cameras are again.

If they required assistance and a driver (they might not have been able to drive), said person would have had to have brought the car there ahead of time.

If they timed it for the vehicle to arrive and depart at the same time they would have been seen on a camera I am certain, and the police surely would be looking for any vehicle activity at that same period of time the sisters were around the bridge and path.

Just my opinion but this scenario is way too far fetched. The above method is plausible and they made their escape for a new life undetected. But I just don't see it.

<modsnip>

You mentioned the sisters would have had to "scramble" up off the path. It's really not that difficult. When I visited the area it took me less than 10 seconds to climb the very small embankment and take photos of the broken fence directly facing on to the waste land. Within another 15 seconds I could have made my way across the waste land and exited out of another gap in a fence. It's not a scene out of a movie, it's a simple 2 or 3 step process that is well within reach.

Yes there is the issue of the available CCTV and how much valid evidence the Police have been able to get their hands on. However, for the simple fact the Police have continued to stop drivers in the area to ask questions means they are not 100% sure of any scenario yet. If they had gathered reliable recordings from every available camera in the area and had ruled out every car in the area at that time then what would be the point of continuing to investigate?