UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[shoogyb]

The thing about CCTV is that unless you're recording, there's no way to go back to see what it may have captured. Some people only have it for live monitoring and potential for deterring criminal activity. Therefore, even if there are cameras all over, not all of them may be recording.

Personally, I feel that the likelihood of these gals taking off with someone is very slim. They don't (from what we know) seem very social or the type to engage in risky behavior. I can't imagine they've been engaging with shady persons intentionally. That being said, they are appearing now to be far more complex than they might have presented previous to this event.

 

[davidt]

If they have gone off somewhere I wonder what they are doing for money. Police say their accounts haven't been touched and if they had drawn out large sums beforehand then the police would surely know this. I do fear they are in the water but accept there's no hard evidence of this yet and I remain open to the possibility of other answers.

When I was growing up in Devon I knew a local coastguard. He knew the coast like the back of his hand. If someone went in to the sea and he knew where and when it happened he could tell with great accuracy where and when the body would wash up. I'd assume there are those around Aberdeen with similar knowledge helping the police.

 

[Sgt. Sandell]

Following the 2 threads about the case online from start, I found some great thoughts out here. I'm also a fan of Occam's razor and the user that scaled down everything into facts, what we know, so far. According to the model, there's no need to fetch far, if the case is solveable with what we already know. The result would then be, that they got into the water. I'd prefer any other scenario but that.

But what I can't see, is why they would risk the family worrying themselves to bits, had they chosen to leave for some other place/plans, leaving a trace like this.

Venturing to the bridge twice, with cctv-monitored streets of Aberdeen, forth and back again in order to text one last message from the bridge - simply seems like a very cruel way of leaving, if they chose to run away. For two wellmannered persons apparantly so empathetic that they warned work and landlady in advance, does it really make sence to leave such a trail for the family to suffer from - rather than to just go undetected directly from Charlotte Street, for instance..?

Just a thought.

 

[lamberta]

Following the 2 threads about the case online from start, I found some great thoughts out here. I'm also a fan of Occam's razor and the user that scaled down everything into facts, what we know, so far. According to the model, there's no need to fetch far, if the case is solveable with what we already know. The result would then be, that they got into the water. I'd prefer any other scenario but that.

But what I can't see, is why they would risk the family worrying themselves to bits, had they chosen to leave for some other place/plans, leaving a trace like this.

Venturing to the bridge twice, with cctv-monitored streets of Aberdeen, forth and back again in order to text one last message from the bridge - simply seems like a very cruel way of leaving, if they chose to run away. For two wellmannered persons apparantly so empathetic that they warned work and landlady in advance, does it really make sence to leave such a trail for the family to suffer from, rather than to just go undetected directly from Charlotte Street, for instance..?

Just a thought.

Whatever the reason for the disappearance and whatever plan they decided on it has left the family worried to bits. They've left their family with no indication of anything being wrong or untoward, and the final message that was sent from them was to a landlord and not to their family. If we go with what you say, that they were well mannered and empathetic, if they had chosen to take their own lives in a river why wouldn't they at least leave a note for their family instead of leaving no trace?

 

[TMich6811]

Following the 2 threads about the case online from start, I found some great thoughts out here. I'm also a fan of Occam's razor and the user that scaled down everything into facts, what we know, so far. According to the model, there's no need to fetch far, if the case is solveable with what we already know. The result would then be, that they got into the water. I'd prefer any other scenario but that.

But what I can't see, is why they would risk the family worrying themselves to bits, had they chosen to leave for some other place/plans, leaving a trace like this.

Venturing to the bridge twice, with cctv-monitored streets of Aberdeen, forth and back again in order to text one last message from the bridge - simply seems like a very cruel way of leaving, if they chose to run away. For two wellmannered persons apparantly so empathetic that they warned work and landlady in advance, does it really make sence to leave such a trail for the family to suffer from - rather than to just go undetected directly from Charlotte Street, for instance..?

Just a thought.

Going into the water without leaving info for the family is probably equally as cruel and traumatizing for the family if we are assessing their actions based on the impact to the family. We can’t really say they did any of the above or why but we can’t really hold anything against them in regard to how it may impact the family either because we also equally know nothing about that

 

[lamberta]

Going into the water without leaving info for the family is probably equally as cruel and traumatizing for the family if we are assessing their actions based on the impact to the family. We can’t really say they did any of the above or why but we can’t really hold anything against them in regard to how it may impact the family either because we also equally know nothing about that

I agree. My reply above was playing devils advocate but you've worded it better than I did.

 

[Sjöberg]

if they had chosen to take their own lives in a river why wouldn't they at least leave a note for their family instead of leaving no trace?

Going into the water without leaving info for the family is probably equally as cruel and traumatizing for the family if we are assessing their actions based on the impact to the family. We can’t really say they did any of the above or why but we can’t really hold anything against them in regard to how it may impact the family either because we also equally know nothing about that

I would say that committing suicide without a note is very common. It can be often influenced by the suicidal brains belief, that the others would not understand anyways and/or will not be too sad that they are gone and/or even wanting to avoid any guilt the contents of the note might arise. ("had I only noticed sooner")
While running away while making it look like suicide on purpose is a pretty cruel thing to do and does not really line up with the way the sisters are described. While that, too, might be done with the intent to minimize harm ("it is easier for them to think that I am dead and it's just over than to accept the fact that I never want to see them again and live with that every day and year") I dare suggest that this would not be very common.
Just MOO. The sucides by people I know personally have also been without notes.

 

[Sarahlou]

I would say that committing suicide without a note is very common. It can be often influenced by the suicidal brains belief, that the others would not understand anyways and/or will not be too sad that they are gone and/or even wanting to avoid any guilt the contents of the note might arise. ("had I only noticed sooner")
While running away while making it look like suicide on purpose is a pretty cruel thing to do and does not really line up with the way the sisters are described. While that, too, might be done with the intent to minimize harm ("it is easier for them to think that I am dead and it's just over than to accept the fact that I never want to see them again and live with that every day and year") I dare suggest that this would not be very common.
Just MOO. The sucides by people I know personally have also been without notes.

Yes, the majority of people who die by suicide don't leave notes.

 

[TMich6811]

It’s not about the note. The implication was that one act wouldn’t occur because it was too cruel for the sisters.

If we are purely saying whether the sisters are kind enough to notify a family about running away we are making implications about things we don’t know about the sisters or the family.

There really hasn’t been enough info released to fully indicate anything about anyone involved or occurred. Purely speculation on our part but I assume that’s why we are here.

If we are speculating suicide and that personality was purely kind to notify their landlord and make their landlord the last call and not notify the family in any capacity then yeah I’d say that would likely feel pretty cruel the family. Whether they’d expect a note because of suicide or not.

I don’t really think that if they ran away they did anything to make it look like suicide. We are the ones saying suicide with no information given to us to indicate suicide. I agree it’s the most likely answer but I feel like a broken record here - there has been no concrete info.

I personally have no idea what happened here but I don’t understand the rounds of yeah it can be this but no it can’t be that with the amount of info out there

 

[bringmeacupoft]

It’s not about the note. The implication was that one act wouldn’t occur because it was too cruel for the sisters.

If we are purely saying whether the sisters are kind enough to notify a family about running away we are making implications about things we don’t know about the sisters or the family.

There really hasn’t been enough info released to fully indicate anything about anyone involved or occurred. Purely speculation on our part but I assume that’s why we are here.

If we are speculating suicide and that personality was purely kind to notify their landlord and make their landlord the last call and not notify the family in any capacity then yeah I’d say that would likely feel pretty cruel the family. Whether they’d expect a note because of suicide or not.

I don’t really think that if they ran away they did anything to make it look like suicide. We are the ones saying suicide with no information given to us to indicate suicide. I agree it’s the most likely answer but I feel like a broken record here - there has been no concrete info.

I personally have no idea what happened here but I don’t understand the rounds of yeah it can be this but no it can’t be that with the amount of info out there

Get what you’re saying but it’s human nature, without information anything is up for debate and discussion.

No one on this forum knows what has happened, we’re all just using our experiences/knowledge to put a best guess forward, that’s how it works. Without concrete evidence or information that’s all we have.

 

[lamberta]

I would say that committing suicide without a note is very common. It can be often influenced by the suicidal brains belief, that the others would not understand anyways and/or will not be too sad that they are gone and/or even wanting to avoid any guilt the contents of the note might arise. ("had I only noticed sooner")
While running away while making it look like suicide on purpose is a pretty cruel thing to do and does not really line up with the way the sisters are described. While that, too, might be done with the intent to minimize harm ("it is easier for them to think that I am dead and it's just over than to accept the fact that I never want to see them again and live with that every day and year") I dare suggest that this would not be very common.
Just MOO. The sucides by people I know personally have also been without notes.

I know it's common for people who commit suicide to not leave a note. That wasnt the point. I was responding to specific points made by the OP.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Agree most suicide victims don't leave a note, sadly.

But people are saying, most don't contact their landlords either. But maybe -- what you say to a landlord is "business" and not emotionally fraught, unlike what you'd feel writing to family. JMO.

 

[Skigh]

Agree most suicide victims don't leave a note, sadly.

But people are saying, most don't contact their landlords either. But maybe -- what you say to a landlord is "business" and not emotionally fraught, unlike what you'd feel writing to family. JMO.

It also could be financial. The women knew by ending their tenancy agreement the landlady would be able to re let the flat ,but if they were just missing it might be a while before the landlady could let the flat.
It would also mean their mother or other family members who would be worried when they could not make contact would not have to raise the alarm.

 

[Sgt. Sandell]

Whatever the reason for the disappearance and whatever plan they decided on it has left the family worried to bits. They've left their family with no indication of anything being wrong or untoward, and the final message that was sent from them was to a landlord and not to their family. If we go with what you say, that they were well mannered and empathetic, if they had chosen to take their own lives in a river why wouldn't they at least leave a note for their family instead of leaving no trace?

We don't know that. Quite the contrary: something police has made clear - is that they left different kind of traces (personal belongings, for instance). My question was how leaving this trace fits the hope of them staying alive. Unfortunately I don't see the two things adding up, personally.

 

[Doric Loon]

<modsnip> Give some specifics on where the CCTV's are or have changed from the 3 i wrote. If they got in the back of an unknown car, van, suv unseen and then left the area then police wouldn't know which car to look for would they.

Since Google street view has been down that road, nearly all the premises on that road have CCTV, especially where the mentioned gaps in fencing are. You wouldn’t be able to go across the bridge, or come (or go) from Torry via Victoria Road or come (or go) from Altens or Cross the bridge at the other side (QE2) without being on CCTV of some sort, wether by foot or by car, even both back roads are covered ie Cables Lane and Murray St, and then on Menzies Road itself. Go further up Wellington Road, you are captured by CCTV and ANPR, go across the other bridge there is CCtV at the Garage and also more further up the road N Esp W towards the harbour including the one they were captured (published) on that side earlier in the day.
Say they managed to cross under the bridge and pop out on the other side ie S Esp E at the harbour, they would show up on the first businesses after the bookies and then further up on the other side.

There is little to zero way they would escape CCTV unless multiple were out of service, which in area fairly well known like Torry for it’s troubles, I doubt they are. Nor could a vehicle manage to be in the area without the Police managing to see it on private CCTV then being able to track it coming up elsewhere close by. The other side of the river has also extensive ANPR due to the Low Emission Zone for example. If they spotted a car, taxi or van in the area they would have put out an appeal, criminal investigation or not. More than just a generic dashcam footage ask, which is fairly standard request wise in Scotland for most investigations here whether they have a lead or not.

 

[Doric Loon]

It’s not about the note. The implication was that one act wouldn’t occur because it was too cruel for the sisters.

If we are purely saying whether the sisters are kind enough to notify a family about running away we are making implications about things we don’t know about the sisters or the family.

There really hasn’t been enough info released to fully indicate anything about anyone involved or occurred. Purely speculation on our part but I assume that’s why we are here.

If we are speculating suicide and that personality was purely kind to notify their landlord and make their landlord the last call and not notify the family in any capacity then yeah I’d say that would likely feel pretty cruel the family. Whether they’d expect a note because of suicide or not.

I don’t really think that if they ran away they did anything to make it look like suicide. We are the ones saying suicide with no information given to us to indicate suicide. I agree it’s the most likely answer but I feel like a broken record here - there has been no concrete info.

I personally have no idea what happened here but I don’t understand the rounds of yeah it can be this but no it can’t be that with the amount of info out there

We are also not talking about one individual. Like the other twin case, one might have been just going along with it rather than having the full idealisation of it and therefore maybe not doing the things that a ‘normal’ single person suicide, who’s goal is only that, would likely do ie not be mindful about contacting the landlord.

But we also don’t know the context of that, the landlord could have been asking WTF is going on and sent several texts to prompt a passive or aggressive we wont be back, FU sort of thing or it could have an out if the blue text from the point of caring about the landlords property and as a someone they may have been close to. We don’t know that context.

 

[Highwayr]

Since Google street view has been down that road, nearly all the premises on that road have CCTV, especially where the mentioned gaps in fencing are. You wouldn’t be able to go across the bridge, or come (or go) from Torry via Victoria Road or come (or go) from Altens or Cross the bridge at the other side (QE2) without being on CCTV of some sort, wether by foot or by car, even both back roads are covered ie Cables Lane and Murray St, and then on Menzies Road itself. Go further up Wellington Road, you are captured by CCTV and ANPR, go across the other bridge there is CCtV at the Garage and also more further up the road N Esp W towards the harbour including the one they were captured (published) on that side earlier in the day.
Say they managed to cross under the bridge and pop out on the other side ie S Esp E at the harbour, they would show up on the first businesses after the bookies and then further up on the other side.

There is little to zero way they would escape CCTV unless multiple were out of service, which in area fairly well known like Torry for it’s troubles, I doubt they are. Nor could a vehicle manage to be in the area without the Police managing to see it on private CCTV then being able to track it coming up elsewhere close by. The other side of the river has also extensive ANPR due to the Low Emission Zone for example. If they spotted a car, taxi or van in the area they would have put out an appeal, criminal investigation or not. More than just a generic dashcam footage ask, which is fairly standard request wise in Scotland for most investigations here whether they have a lead or not.

Thx for the update, this unfortunately changes things

The three likely scenarios were cutting across, getting passed the boat house unseen(camera off/bad angle) or the water.

I haven't seen much info from the articles on the surveillance at the boat club that night, maybe it was mentioned in a press conference?

 

[Highwayr]

It is a fairly industrial area right? Would there usually be work vehicles (vans, trucks, utes) going in and out of the area at all hours? If so, would police have followed up on all of them? Interesting to hear from locals who have posted about the location of CCTV. IMO it’s unlikely they got into a vehicle. Could they have gone into one of the buildings to meet up with someone? Also IMO this is unlikely but want to know if these theories can be ruled out.

The local police don't have the resources to follow all vehicles through Torry. If they have a suspicion they can try and follow it with cooperation from business owners or warrants.

 

[Kaypetta]

Considering it's been more than 10 days, is it still possible for the bodies to be recovered?
(If they did take their own lives in the water)
I wonder if they planned to disappear or could it be something else?
IMO, maybe they had a close relationship with the landlady (?) That'd explain why they texted her and why she'd be alarmed.

(I've only read 15 pages of the thread, my bad if some of these have been covered previously)

Like many others on here, I still retain hope that the women never went into the water,
But I have looked online to try to find out how long it might take for a body to surface.
Depends on many factors, including water temperature.
Seemingly there is a chance that in very cold deep water (like the North Sea?) a body might never resurface.

 

[annpats]

It's been speculated that security cameras would have seen any boats in the area.

But they're not quite as traceable or identifiable as cars, are they?
And a very small fibreglass fishing boat or even a RIB/dinghy could've been used.