UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[lamberta]

That's the $64,000 question!

Is that how much they had saved? I'm trying to find a source for that figure.

 

[Loyaloil]

Well, we have come up with every possible scenario, you would think, but we still don't actually have any idea what really happened! Except that as time goes by, and a few little details are revealed, I for one am becoming more and more convinced that they had carefully planned it. Whatever it was. Plus I have reached the stage where I would be surprised if their bodies are found.

I agree, whatever has happened was planned. That is a dead cert IMO

 

[Loyaloil]

For info..

 

[WiseOwl]

Is that how much they had saved? I'm trying to find a source for that figure.

Its just an idiom and it means 'the most important question.'

It originated from a 1950's quiz show in the USA.

 

[davidt]

Well, we have come up with every possible scenario, you would think, but we still don't actually have any idea what really happened! Except that as time goes by, and a few little details are revealed, I for one am becoming more and more convinced that they had carefully planned it. Whatever it was. Plus I have reached the stage where I would be surprised if their bodies are found.

I think it's because of the different factors involved. What was going on with the tenancy and is it directly connected to their disappearance ? No apparent reason for them to disappear and nothing to indicate they were at risk or vulnerable at all. If it's an accident why were they there? I won't be surprised sadly if they are in the water but equally I won't be surprised if its something else. There seems very little certainties in this case which adds to the puzzle.

 

[Loyaloil]

 

[Sarahlou]

Well, we have come up with every possible scenario, you would think, but we still don't actually have any idea what really happened! Except that as time goes by, and a few little details are revealed, I for one am becoming more and more convinced that they had carefully planned it. Whatever it was. Plus I have reached the stage where I would be surprised if their bodies are found.

I know what you mean but I still have hope they'll find them. It can take weeks or longer sometimes to find people in the water, so it really hasn't been that long yet.

 

[Loyaloil]

 

[Loyaloil]

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Is that how much they had saved? I'm trying to find a source for that figure.

No, it's as WiseOwl described. Sorry for the confusion.

Its just an idiom and it means 'the most important question.'

It originated from a 1950's quiz show in the USA.

Thanks WiseOwl, very accurately described.

 

[Loyaloil]

The fact they ended the tenancy agreement and didn't quit their jobs may be telling.

You are binded into a contract when you rent a property and so any unpaid monies would eventually be chased by the landlord. IF they had intended on ending their lives would it really matter???

 

[lamberta]

ok, this is from your post which gives an idea for people -

'I visited the site today and I can tell you all there's plenty of opportunity to exit the river path onto derelict ground without being seen. Broken wooden fences and gaps in temporary metal fencing. I couldn't spot any cameras pointing towards the derelict ground on South Esplanade West therefore IMO they could have exited the river path onto the derelict ground and entered a vehicle on South Esplanade West.

There's a 360 CCTV camera located directly across the road from the entrance to the river path and it would have given the police a fantastic view of the sisters going that way. It couldn't be mistaken. LOTS of empty alcohol bottles and cans dumped along the river path which gives you an idea of what lurks there during night time hours. The water is only centimetres deep at the edge and it would take a lot of effort to drown in there. A slip on ice would not have resulted in drowning. You would have to purposely walk out into the river to make that happen. There are one or two very old rusty street lights on the river path but I have no idea if they work. If they do work the level of lighting provided will be very low. A couple of old graffiti-covered concrete slabs are situated on the path next to the water which must be used as seating by folks who hang around down there. It's a grubby looking place to be honest.

As you approach the boathouse there's at least 3 CCTV cameras that would have caught the sisters if they continued that way - 2 small cameras on one side of the building and 1 large new camera on the other side of the building facing directly onto the river path where the rowers enter the water. For that reason I don't believe the sisters walked as far as the boathouse. The police have definitely ruled that out by watching the CCTV recordings. Also to note, you can't walk under the next bridge heading away from the boathouse because the path stops. You would have to walk up onto the pavement beside the playpark where you would be spotted on the next CCTV camera.'
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Thank so much for copying over my stuff from the other thread - you are 100% more proficient than me with tech!

 

[Binx26]

ok, this is from your post which gives an idea for people -

'I visited the site today and I can tell you all there's plenty of opportunity to exit the river path onto derelict ground without being seen. Broken wooden fences and gaps in temporary metal fencing. I couldn't spot any cameras pointing towards the derelict ground on South Esplanade West therefore IMO they could have exited the river path onto the derelict ground and entered a vehicle on South Esplanade West.

There's a 360 CCTV camera located directly across the road from the entrance to the river path and it would have given the police a fantastic view of the sisters going that way. It couldn't be mistaken. LOTS of empty alcohol bottles and cans dumped along the river path which gives you an idea of what lurks there during night time hours. The water is only centimetres deep at the edge and it would take a lot of effort to drown in there. A slip on ice would not have resulted in drowning. You would have to purposely walk out into the river to make that happen. There are one or two very old rusty street lights on the river path but I have no idea if they work. If they do work the level of lighting provided will be very low. A couple of old graffiti-covered concrete slabs are situated on the path next to the water which must be used as seating by folks who hang around down there. It's a grubby looking place to be honest.

As you approach the boathouse there's at least 3 CCTV cameras that would have caught the sisters if they continued that way - 2 small cameras on one side of the building and 1 large new camera on the other side of the building facing directly onto the river path where the rowers enter the water. For that reason I don't believe the sisters walked as far as the boathouse. The police have definitely ruled that out by watching the CCTV recordings. Also to note, you can't walk under the next bridge heading away from the boathouse because the path stops. You would have to walk up onto the pavement beside the playpark where you would be spotted on the next CCTV camera.'
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So helpful to have this first hand info. I also hope this helps people understand it is really not a nice area, they have most definitely not gone for a walk, gone ‘stargazing’ as was suggested in an article, or taken a turn by accident down the path. It also helps indicate accidental drowning is very unlikely.

Which leads me to: (all my own opinion)
1) Intentionally entering the river
2) Going to meet someone with a plan to leave Aberdeen/escape/disappear for some reason
3) Going to meet someone for some criminal (again not implying this was intentional, they could have been exploited or blackmailed etc) activity that has resulted in them coming to harm.

Have I missed anything??

 

[Kemug]

So - if they had, as now seems likely to me, planned their disappearance via the waste ground, wouldn't they have checked out everything first? Gone there, taken note of the cameras, holes in the fencing, etc? How far back have LE looked through all the CCTV footage? Days? Weeks? Months even?

 

[davidt]

Thank so much for copying over my stuff from the other thread - you are 100% more proficient than me with tech!

It's very useful. From that if they got off the path unnoticed and got in to a vehicle it looks like they may have been able to leave the general area. I wonder if something had been prearranged and perhaps they had been waiting for a call to say things were ready. Might explain why they went out at 2.30am and why personal items were left behind. They had to go immediately when called?

 

[lamberta]

So helpful to have this first hand info. I also hope this helps people understand it is really not a nice area, they have most definitely not gone for a walk, gone ‘stargazing’ as was suggested in an article, or taken a turn by accident down the path. It also helps indicate accidental drowning is very unlikely.

Which leads me to: (all my own opinion)
1) Intentionally entering the river
2) Going to meet someone with a plan to leave Aberdeen/escape/disappear for some reason
3) Going to meet someone for some criminal (again not implying this was intentional, they could have been exploited or blackmailed etc) activity that has resulted in them coming to harm.

Have I missed anything??

Yes I agree with your 3 point summary, very much so.
If the report from their friend is true, that one of the sisters was just beginning a period of annual leave, it points further towards an intentional act of some sort rather than an accident or something that happened by chance. Especially now we know they intended to vacate their tenancy around the same time.
I'm still intrigued about their savings - how much they had saved, if it is true they had savings, and if so, where the savings were being held and if they had additional income of some sort.

 

[Kemug]

And just another thought, probably irrelevant - when walking down the street, it didn't look like they were leaving for good, only a handbag or possibly two. But for all we know they might have had quite a few clothes with them. Eg wearing several pairs of panties, ditto t-shirts, a couple of longsleeved tops, leggings as well as trousers, etc. A few toiletries in a handbag. Plus of course, if they had already parked a car nearby, that probably had stuff in it.
I know this all sounds fantastical, but . . . .

 

[WiseOwl]

We know that the police have checked CCTV from around the area in the hours (i presume) after the sisters went missing, haven't seen anything that they consider suspicious so believe that they have ended up in the river.

As for getting into a vehicle, i've always thought that if this did happen then the sisters would make their way to South Esplanade West Road to meet up with someone there. It does seem though if they did leave via this road that they would almost certainly be spotted on CCTV.

However, i wondered if they walked on further than that, say to Menzies Road, Walker Road or even Grampian Road, and met up with someone there instead? Is it possible that they could walk up to these roads and not get caught on CCTV? Would the police check on these roads for any vehicles leaving the area in the early hours of 7 January?

 

[lamberta]

And just another thought, probably irrelevant - when walking down the street, it didn't look like they were leaving for good, only a handbag or possibly two. But for all we know they might have had quite a few clothes with them. Eg wearing several pairs of panties, ditto t-shirts, a couple of longsleeved tops, leggings as well as trousers, etc. A few toiletries in a handbag. Plus of course, if they had already parked a car nearby, that probably had stuff in it.
I know this all sounds fantastical, but . . . .

Your comment is very relevant. When I first saw the CCTV image my gut instinct was that they were walking to meet someone for a bit of 'business'. I feel they have that air about them, but it's just a hunch. I also thought they wouldn't look out of place travelling by boat or air with the businessman-type. Those were my first impressions of the CCTV image.

 

[Lucy6226]

Your comment is very relevant. When I first saw the CCTV image my gut instinct was that they were walking to meet someone for a bit of 'business'. I feel they have that air about them, but it's just a hunch. I also thought they wouldn't look out of place travelling by boat or air with the businessman-type. Those were my first impressions of the CCTV image.

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Could you expand on what you mean by that please?