Family Dynamics

[Teresa Larson]

I agree, TL. But IMO - they need to write Deb off. She's made her choices and the entire rest of her family have suffered as a result. Maybe they can lock her up with WW...

Yeah I couldn't agree more!! IMO any mother that writes her kids off for any man is a herself. She is beyond counseling. Maybe the dad will wake up now for his son's sake. Poor Mike I am sure he feels some what responsible for his sister Tawni's death since he was the oldest. I am an oldest child so I know how it is. God has a plan for all of us. He had a plan for Tawni the day she was born.
:angel2:

 

[The Green Hornet]

*Takes a deep breath.... Then exhales...*

Sorry, but after reading up on what I've missed over the past week, especially the comments from Mr. Jacobsen, I just had to do something.. and also gather my thoughts.

First and foremost, Brian O'Sullivan is a piece of ****. I hope they lock him in the same padded cell they lock that bastard WW in.

Secondly, in terms of the mother, I sure hope that she lives every day with the way she treated her children. If anything were to ever happen between my wife and I where we were to no longer be married, I don't care if my next girlfriend was Miss America, you make me chose between you and my children, you're walking and I'm not hesitating twice in kicking your ass out the door.

I pray for Mike Jr. I also can relate. Although I never lost a sibling, I know exactly what it's like to have my mother pick a male figure over me and to have a father that's more or less persona non grata in my life. Mom and Dad split when I was 10. Mom hooked up with a guy who more or less viewed me as Brian O'Sullivan viewed Tawni and Mike Jr. His dislike of me turned in to physical abuse, which lasted for the better part of 4 years, before child services got involved and kicked him out. My mother to this day has not forgiven me for him getting kicked out, our relationship is non-existent and what shallow times we do have, she tries to make my life a living hell. I also lived in a disfunctional family (putting it mildly) and have bounced around trying to find people in my life who give a ****. In the last of the ironies?? My mother's name is Deb also.. So, I can relate to Mike in many ways, and I wish I could get ahold of the guy and tell him if nothing else, he's got someone who can relate.

If there's any solice in this, at least Tawni and Grandpa Jacobsen are together again. She was probably the first to greet him when he arrived in Heaven. I only wish that he would have been Tawni's legal guardian from the start, she'd probably still be with us today.

 

[Cubby]

*Takes a deep breath.... Then exhales...*

Sorry, but after reading up on what I've missed over the past week, especially the comments from Mr. Jacobsen, I just had to do something.. and also gather my thoughts.

First and foremost, Brian O'Sullivan is a piece of ****. I hope they lock him in the same padded cell they lock that bastard WW in.

Secondly, in terms of the mother, I sure hope that she lives every day with the way she treated her children. If anything were to ever happen between my wife and I where we were to no longer be married, I don't care if my next girlfriend was Miss America, you make me chose between you and my children, you're walking and I'm not hesitating twice in kicking your ass out the door.

I pray for Mike Jr. I also can relate. Although I never lost a sibling, I know exactly what it's like to have my mother pick a male figure over me and to have a father that's more or less persona non grata in my life. Mom and Dad split when I was 10. Mom hooked up with a guy who more or less viewed me as Brian O'Sullivan viewed Tawni and Mike Jr. His dislike of me turned in to physical abuse, which lasted for the better part of 4 years, before child services got involved and kicked him out. My mother to this day has not forgiven me for him getting kicked out, our relationship is non-existent and what shallow times we do have, she tries to make my life a living hell. I also lived in a disfunctional family (putting it mildly) and have bounced around trying to find people in my life who give a ****. In the last of the ironies?? My mother's name is Deb also.. So, I can relate to Mike in many ways, and I wish I could get ahold of the guy and tell him if nothing else, he's got someone who can relate.

If there's any solice in this, at least Tawni and Grandpa Jacobsen are together again. She was probably the first to greet him when he arrived in Heaven. I only wish that he would have been Tawni's legal guardian from the start, she'd probably still be with us today.

Very well put. I agree. Mike and the rest of the family can move on. Deb has made her choices..... Each of these people are responsible only for themselves. They can't control what others do and should not be motivated to attempt to 'fix' any relationships with people who are not willing or capable of having a healthy family relationship. I'll be praying this family can heal and I believe some of them can.

It does make me sad to hear and read family bad mouthing each other... What's done is done.... it is time to greive, heal, repair and move on... I hope they find peace knowing their are good, trustworthy people out there.

As a single parent, I've chosen not to date for now because my child is young and needs me. Maybe when he is older and at an age where he is more interested in socializing with his friends, but for now... We are a family and I don't want to spend the time being involved with someone else would take away from him.

 

[phenolred]

Also remember the ROLEX that was indicated as being in the car, I wonder if that was Tawni's, did anyone in her family own a Rolex maybe the step dad????

This might have gotten buried, I had forgotten I asked this question but Im still wondering Believe can you find out? or do you know if she or her family owned a rolex,

Oh also I thought of something else Lindsey had stated that " the next exit, the next exit but the next exit never came" reffering to letting Tawni out of the car. Has anyone looked to see how many exits there where between getting on I-10 and the point she jumped out? Im just curious how many they passed

 

[phenolred]

I had remembered a name from the co-defendents in the Kelly Lipsey situation...

her name= Tanzshineka Nyelle Williams

Which for short she could be called Shineka......I just thought it was very close to the name you indicated "Shaniqua"


Its a very long name so I can see her being called Shineka for short

I found that her mothers name is Marilyn and dad (probably a step dad) Dana Byrd

Date of Birth: 07/06/1984 she is being held on

Count 4: ENTICE PERSON FOR PROSTITUTION

Believe do you think this could be the Shiniqua???? that was friends with Tawni?

 

[fmw63]

Oh also I thought of something else Lindsey had stated that " the next exit, the next exit but the next exit never came" reffering to letting Tawni out of the car. Has anyone looked to see how many exits there where between getting on I-10 and the point she jumped out? Im just curious how many they passed

With the way the stories have changed, and facts(?) have become known, I don't think anyone knows for sure where they got on I-10...

 

[believe09]

With the way the stories have changed, and facts(?) have become known, I don't think anyone knows for sure where they got on I-10...

great point-I have no idea where they got on-if you take it from the car dealership to where she jumped, what is the distance in terms of miles?

If you include a 20-25 minute stop in an alleged house that LE clearly has an address for-how about from there? (We have not been provided with that location, I think...)

I still think that if they made a stop at all, that is where Tawni changed clothing and was perhaps sexually assaulted by WW.

Unless she was hit at home when she was being packed up or the night before after the shoplifting incident.

 

[believe09]

Deb O'Sullivan is traveling out to Phoenix on 9/13 to pick up Tawni's remains, split them between Mike, her ex (Big Mike who is also flying out) and to attend WW hearing on 9/16. All involved are hoping that she will be traveling alone because Brian does not want to leave their 2 dogs, I am told. I was also told that she is going to be civil to her ex.

GOOD STUFF.

 

[VASHLEY88]

Deb O'Sullivan is traveling out to Phoenix on 9/13 to pick up Tawni's remains, split them between Mike, her ex (Big Mike who is also flying out) and to attend WW hearing on 9/16. All involved are hoping that she will be traveling alone because Brian does not want to leave their 2 dogs, I am told. I was also told that she is going to be civil to her ex.

GOOD STUFF.

Good, thanks believe! So she was cremated.. correct? I'm glad they are tolerating each other better now, especially for Mike Jr's. sake.

 

[believe09]

Good, thanks believe! So she was cremated.. correct? I'm glad they are tolerating each other better now, especially for Mike Jr's. sake.

I had a tough day yesterday, so it is hard for me to answer this seriously-my bad however-yes she was cremated.

 

[VASHLEY88]

I had a tough day yesterday, so it is hard for me to answer this seriously-my bad however-yes she was cremated.

*hugs* I'm sorrrry. I hope all is okay now?..

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

I had a tough day yesterday, so it is hard for me to answer this seriously-my bad however-yes she was cremated.

So sorry you had a bad day yesterday :blowkiss:
Thank you for workingg so hard on this case!

 

[believe09]

No worries-it has made me a little giddy today, that is all!

:innocent:

When I read Vashley's post with the question I had visions of this family pulling Tawni's remains to and fro while they were fighting over her...which clearly some are capable of!!

 

[VASHLEY88]

No worries-it has made me a little giddy today, that is all!

:innocent:

When I read Vashley's post with the question I had visions of this family pulling Tawni's remains to and fro while they were fighting over her...which clearly some are capable of!!

So did I!

I was thinking about someone reaching for her and someone else slapping their hand away and hugging it with a disgruntled look on their face. So.. it makes much more sense to learn she was cremated. =)

 

[VASHLEY88]

Ah, okay I read the post in the hearing info. I was a little behind, sorry!

 

[Fairy1]

Believe, I was wondering if anyone has revealed to you WHY Deb took Tawni to AZ in the first place. It seems as though she and Brian would have been happier without Tawni around and if she was doing ok with other family in MA, it probably would have been better for everyone to leave her there. Things could have turned out so differently. Is it possible Deb was just being spiteful?

Guess it's a moot point now, but I'm just curious about all of the failings that led Tawni to be where she wound up that day.

 

[Fairy1]

Believe do you think this could be the Shiniqua???? that was friends with Tawni?

This is a great question PR. I sure would like to know if LE has questioned Shiniqua - Sheneka, whatever since Tawni was ID'd and new details have become available. Maybe Det. L knows???

 

[believe09]

Believe, I was wondering if anyone has revealed to you WHY Deb took Tawni to AZ in the first place. It seems as though she and Brian would have been happier without Tawni around and if she was doing ok with other family in MA, it probably would have been better for everyone to leave her there. Things could have turned out so differently. Is it possible Deb was just being spiteful?

Guess it's a moot point now, but I'm just curious about all of the failings that led Tawni to be where she wound up that day.

Tawni might have been happier in MA emotionally, but she was still acting out in terms of her behavior and at school. She had a few assault charges on her record-as late as this evening, her mother mentioned to me that she thinks Tawni was bi-polar...hmm-ya think? Sorry for the sarcasm.

I think the relationship was at best complicated-Deb does feel guilt of course, but she also brings the subject back to herself all the time. FWIW, so does Mike Jr, but he is just so darned sweet!!! LOL In any case, It makes sense to me why Deb moves so much-she has a batterer in her life who is going to keep her isolated. It may be the price she pays for having the finer things in life....I do not know. I was told that her husband is not faithful as well, so that could be another motivation for keeping them on the move.

 

[Fairy1]

Tawni might have been happier in MA emotionally, but she was still acting out in terms of her behavior and at school. She had a few assault charges on her record-as late as this evening, her mother mentioned to me that she thinks Tawni was bi-polar...hmm-ya think? Sorry for the sarcasm.

I think the relationship was at best complicated-Deb does feel guilt of course, but she also brings the subject back to herself all the time. FWIW, so does Mike Jr, but he is just so darned sweet!!! LOL In any case, It makes sense to me why Deb moves so much-she has a batterer in her life who is going to keep her isolated. It may be the price she pays for having the finer things in life....I do not know. I was told that her husband is not faithful as well, so that could be another motivation for keeping them on the move.

Wow - I just can't relate to any of this from a personal perspective! IMO (as the mom of one!), mother-daughter relationships are really never simple after the daughter reaches a certain age. That being said, I feel that a natural, maternal instinct would supercede anything else and a good mom would be compelled to protect and care for her children at any cost. It seems clear that's not what happened here. I understand that Deb had the added burden of being married to what appears to be a complete and totat SOB. But still....babies first!

Moving a well-adjusted, and well-behaved 16-17 kid away from friends and family can have disastrous consequences. Clearly, Tawni should have had even more consideration based on her behavioral issues. AND, she obviously had loving family members in MA who would have cared for her. My heart continues to break for her daily.

 

[Teresa Larson]

I have 4 children (3 daughters and 1 son) They are all grown up now. My son is bi-polar and 1 of my daughters is too. It is very hard to raise a child like that even with getting them counseling and with medication. I am sure Tawni's mother didn't seek any mental help for her. That she acted out like that at school is a very good indication that she was very angry on the inside. I also have no doubt she had been sexually abused another reason for her behavior. This is what happens to kids when their parents give up and don't give a ****!!