Father says DNA could solve one of country’s biggest murder mysteries: Who killed JonBenét Ramsey

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Why pineapple in JPR stomach? Could it be the two gentlemen convinced her come down stairs to eat the pineapple. Also there was rope in the guest room that wasn't the Ramey's. The pineapple was on the dining room table, so they took her to the cellar and she started yelling and screaming. They hit her head and choke her to death. The marks on her neck are from her trying to take the rope off her neck.

My kids would have started yelling at the point there were 2 strangers in their room.

 

[Val1943]

My kids would have started yelling at the point there were 2 strangers in their room.

JPR confronted a lot of strangers, them coming to the Ramey's Christmas parties

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

JPR confronted a lot of strangers, them coming to the Ramey's Christmas parties

In her bedroom? In the middle of the night? So she was taught no stranger awareness at 6.

 

[Zodiac_Speaking]

I'm sorry to ask this question but something I have wondered is this:

We know Officer French (I believe) did not open the wine cellar door because he said he was "looking for" points of exit and since that door was latched from the outside he concluded it was impossible for someone to latch that door from the inside. - Ok, fair enough point - however, if you are "looking for" points of exit - how in the heck do you miss a wide open window in the train room? Broken window AND OPEN no less???

Question: Did that officer ever comment about that window NOT being open??? Or broken?

Because if he said it wasn't open and wasn't broken - that means it was broken and opened AFTER the police had already arrived on scene. I'm confused about that part.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm sure the Navy learns many types of knots, so JR must have known them. But, Burke was only 9, so not old enough at that time to be in the Boy Scouts. He could have been a Cub Scout, and they probably learn some basic knots there, but I don't think they would teach those children how to make a garrotte, which is a deadly weapon intended to kill.

We could guess that JR might have taught BR, but I think that, too, is unlikely.

I just can not see BR thinking through a murder, in the basement and thinking about constructing a garrote to strangle his sister. However, I can see him mad enough to crack her over the head with a flashlight after she irritates him while he is trying to put together his model and really irritating him by eating his pineapple and milk.

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm sorry to ask this question but something I have wondered is this:

We know Officer French (I believe) did not open the wine cellar door because he said he was "looking for" points of exit and since that door was latched from the outside he concluded it was impossible for someone to latch that door from the inside. - Ok, fair enough point - however, if you are "looking for" points of exit - how in the heck do you miss a wide open window in the train room? Broken window AND OPEN no less???

Question: Did that officer ever comment about that window NOT being open??? Or broken?

Because if he said it wasn't open and wasn't broken - that means it was broken and opened AFTER the police had already arrived on scene. I'm confused about that part.

Was it the police who reported that there were undisturbed cobwebs around the window? I've followed this crime from the very beginning and I'm older than dirt. Forgive me if I've forgotten some important evidence, please.

 

[lonetraveler]

Why do you think the hand ligatures were tied so loose? I see a conflict here. If someone is in a murder torturous rage, wouldn't that be present in all their actions? Rageful/ gentle tortuous/ covering her in her favorite blanket. Not in disagreement but questioning the very different approach whilst in a murderous torturous state of mind.

I think the hand ligatures were tied loosely because she was already either knocked out by the blow to the head or dead. JMO

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

The garrote is a very interesting device that has a history that goes back centuries in time. It has been used in torture, in carrying out death sentences, and in sex games involving EA. It is interesting to note the dichotomy that exists in its use as a device to torture and a device to carry out a death sentence. For the latter purpose, it was known as being more humane than hanging, as when a garrote is properly applied and used, death happens very quickly. Much more so than hanging.

IMO and what sticks out to me in this case, is that there were clear indications of SA which points to the use of the garrote in respect to that aspect. The question is of course, was it used as a device in a sex game or was it used to stage the scene to imply that. I'd be curious to know how prevalent the use of a garrote was at that time in sex games. It's also worthy to note that JR when in the Navy was stationed in the Philippines, where the garrote holds a prominent place in Philippine history.

And also was it made for this particular purpose or had it been made for another purpose. I come from a farm family. This type of device could have been found in my grandfather's tool garage. I'm trying to decide if this was made on the spot during the attack? ( less likely imo?) Added the handle to the ligature after the fact, or was made to look like a torture device in its entirety as a part of staging and Not the original ligature used.
I personally think the deep embedding into the tissue has more to do with post death rigor. She was a little girl. It need not be embedded to do damage.

 

[WhoKnowsWhat]

So what were the marks from?

They fit the distance between the prongs on the toy railroad track. Stun guns don’t leave that type of mark. Stun guns make people scream.

 

[lonetraveler]

In her bedroom? In the middle of the night? So she was taught no stranger awareness at 6.

Not only not taught Stranger Danger but also was not taught how to wipe her butt.

 

[lonetraveler]

Why do you think the hand ligatures were tied so loose? I see a conflict here. If someone is in a murder torturous rage, wouldn't that be present in all their actions? Rageful/ gentle tortuous/ covering her in her favorite blanket. Not in disagreement but questioning the very different approach whilst in a murderous torturous state of mind.

The 'covering her in her favorite blanket' is usually a mothering kind of thing. Remember Caylee Anthony? She was wrapped in her Winnie the Pooh blanket.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Was it the police who reported that there were undisturbed cobwebs around the window? I've followed this crime from the very beginning and I'm older than dirt. Forgive me if I've forgotten some important evidence, please.

Yes. There crime scene photos showing the undisturbed cobwebs. They looked like they had been there for awhile.

 

[Tower]

The 'covering her in her favorite blanket' is usually a mothering kind of thing. Remember Caylee Anthony? She was wrapped in her Winnie the Pooh blanket.

Posted on the other JBR thread by me:
This reference says that typically covering a body after a murder denotes the murderer is remorseful. It does not necessarily indicate the murderer was close to the victim, but usually in homicides with covered victims, the murderer and victim had some prior relationship. It is not a trademark of a female murderer. JMO & based on this reference.

https://dev.cjcenter.org/_files/apcj/15_1_4-reynolds.pdf_1565736361.pdf

 

[Deleted member 187229]

The person that covered JBR in her blanket and her nightgown was someone that cared for her. Guilt? And the heart on her hand? Remorse?

I don't think a stranger would have bothered. Do text book pedos do something like this?

It wouldn’t be the first time a stranger took care” of his dead victim.i

Yes. There crime scene photos showing the undisturbed cobwebs. They looked like they had been there for awhile.

If you look at the cobwebs they are disturbed, they’re still there but they’re broken in places. Re watch the crime scene footage. They were also in the corner of the window frame, when you climb through a window you climb through the centre not the corner.

 

[lonetraveler]

It wouldn’t be the first time a stranger took care” of his dead victim.i

If you look at the cobwebs they are disturbed, they’re still there but they’re broken in places. Re watch the crime scene footage. They were also in the corner of the window frame, when you climb through a window you climb through the centre not the corner.

The window in the basement is very small, it would be impossible to climb in or out of a window without disturbing the cobwebs. If this person was obviously all over the house, why didn't the person just leave the house through the front door?

 

[Zodiac_Speaking]

The window in the basement is very small, it would be impossible to climb in or out of a window without disturbing the cobwebs. If this person was obviously all over the house, why didn't the person just leave the house through the front door?

Exactly. The notion that an "intruder" came in - through the window or not - and spent *HOURS* inside the home, leaving no fingerprints, nothing, is patently absurd. There was no intruder. The "unknown DNA" could be explained in so many innocent ways.

Remember: The killer is also supposed to be a crazed lunatic. Sick beyond sick. - That does not = "cool, calculated killer." - Those two things do not jive together. A "crazed lunatic" is not careful.

But for kicks, lets assume the killer was calm and calculated and VERY CAREFUL - IE: no fingerprints. If you've been that careful throughout everything, you'd have no problem and no worry in the world about simply opening one of the 942 doors and simply walking out. In fact - climbing through that window is infinitely harder to do while being careful to make no noise, not rattling the metal gate overhead, etc...... the notion of an intruder is nonsense no matter how you figure it.

The idea that someone was invited in - or that she was killed before they ever got home - is much more believable to me. Just MHO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes. There crime scene photos showing the undisturbed cobwebs. They looked like they had been there for awhile.

That's exactly what I thought, Thank you.

 

[CloudedTruth]

It wouldn’t be the first time a stranger took care” of his dead victim.i

If you look at the cobwebs they are disturbed, they’re still there but they’re broken in places. Re watch the crime scene footage. They were also in the corner of the window frame, when you climb through a window you climb through the centre not the corner.

I’ve seen the crime scene video many times. Also the crime scene photos which are more clear. The window was not very large. I’ve also watched Lou Smit’s video of climbing in the window. He takes up the entire space. The webs would have been dragged into the basement by someone coming through that window, they weren’t. They remained in place.

Additionally, there was a spider web attached to the grate that was unbroken. If that grate had been lifted that night to access the window the web strings would have been broken. There were also debris and leaves in the outside well. The ground was wet with a light snow, meaning leaves and debris would stick to shoe bottoms and would have been brought in. There was no debris, no leaves present. There is nothing that points to anyone having come through that window. Nothing.

 

[CloudedTruth]

The coroner knew what really happened. It’s in his autopsy report. There was no brain swelling. He said the strangulation and blow to the head happened simultaneously.

I finally sourced where this supposed claim about strangulation & head blow being simultaneous came from. Paula Woodward. She claimed that Dr. Meyer told her this. There is no confirmation from Dr. Meyer.

Dr. Meyer did state however that he purposely did not include certain conclusions that he came to during the autopsy in the report specifically to reserve them for legal testimony. He has given no interviews to the media nor has he commented on findings that have remained confidential and contained in his notes only, not as part of the report that was released publicly. But we are to believe he broke his own protocol to tell Paula Woodward confidential information? Don’t think so.

 

[Slebby]

The window in the basement is very small, it would be impossible to climb in or out of a window without disturbing the cobwebs. If this person was obviously all over the house, why didn't the person just leave the house through the front door?

And while leaving through a door, why not take the “kidnap victim” with you? If it was safe enough for an intruder to leave undetected, it was safe enough to leave with a wrapped bundle of motionless child.