GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[Alpha Bravo]

Actually it was a case my brother had. He's an attorney.

The victim had been accused of statutory rape and the police had enlisted the perpetrator to help capture him. Their first plan failed, and the guy ended up trying to hold him until he could call police. He was leading him down a path in the woods at gunpoint when the guy "lunged" for the gun.

Give me a few minutes to find out the name. It was almost two years ago that he was convicted but I think he's out of jail now. He was sentenced to twenty years, originally. My brother defended him initially, and lost.

Anyway, it can't really be compared to this case, since the victim was wanted for rape, and the laws are different in NY. In Georgia the killer probably would not have been charged for murder at all.

Imo

Oh yeah, New York. That's a wild card. World is upside down there! Like to read the story though. Thanks.

 

[Sillybilly]

A suspect in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous investigation of him, recused prosecutor says
By Dakin Andone, Angela Barajas and Jason Morris, CNN
Updated 8:00 PM ET, Fri May 8, 2020

Glynn County, Georgia (CNN)One of the men accused in the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery was involved in a previous prosecution of Arbery, according to a letter written by a prosecutor who has since recused himself from the case.

In an April 7 letter, Waycross Judicial Circuit District Attorney George Barnhill wrote that his son and the suspect, Gregory McMichael, helped with an earlier prosecution of Arbery when they both worked for the Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney's Office.
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[Longtime_lurker2019]

Very interesting that the police wanted to arrest and the DA said no. I've heard of this in other cases but never seen it first hand on something I'm watching real time. Glad justice prevailed. They should face a trial.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

Very interesting that the police wanted to arrest and the DA said no. I've heard of this in other cases but never seen it first hand on something I'm watching real time. Glad justice prevailed. They should face a trial.

I've seen this a handful of time over the last 20-30 years that I've followed cases in the southeast, but it's been less and less over the years.

 

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[Tbone144]

Arbery was unarmed and jogging through a south Georgia neighborhood when he was confronted by two white men and shot to death.
Houstonians walk to honor Ahmaud Arbery’s 26th birthday

that link doesn’t seem to be correct. It’s supposed to be about Houstonians walking.
ETA: nvm looks like actual link came through right.

 

[fr brown]

You're reasonable. So it wouldn't make sense to you, a sensible person.

Predators do this kind of thing all the time. They harm people, record it or save souvenirs, and relish in their depravity later. It's extremely common, I think.

No doubt, but they don't then give their videos to the police. <modsnip: unknown, not supported by MSM> It's new to the public, not LE. I could be wrong.

 

[LietKynes]

Ahmaud Arbery murder: Arrested ex-cop investigated him before | Daily Mail Online
So, they knew Ahmaud.
Wow.
Interesting, as in the 911 call the shooters pretended that he was unknown to them :
"... 'Hello. Err, I'm out here in Satilla Shores. There's a black male running down the street,' says the caller, believed to be Gregory..."

This makes it appear as if there was premeditation.

Did Ahmaud know something about the shooters ?
At the very least it appears that the McMichaels' may have been lying about not knowing him.
They knew very well who he was.

Maybe Ahmaud was nosy... did he see something the McMichael's wanted to be kept hidden ?
This changes the perspective as I'd assumed they didn't know who Ahmaud was at the time of the killing.

I've walked by a house under construction a few years ago, and stopped to look at it from the sidewalk.
I'm thankful no one in my neighborhood came after me with two cars, blocked me off, and shot me to death for no reason.

 

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[Alpha Bravo]

No doubt, but they don't then give their videos to the police.

And call the police while trying to get him to stop.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

Ahmaud Arbery murder: Arrested ex-cop investigated him before | Daily Mail Online
So, they knew Ahmaud.
Wow.
Interesting, as in the 911 call the shooters pretended that he was unknown to them :
"... 'Hello. Err, I'm out here in Satilla Shores. There's a black male running down the street,' says the caller, believed to be Gregory..."

This makes it appear as if there was premeditation.

Did Ahmaud know something about the shooters ?
At the very least it appears that the McMichaels' may have been lying about not knowing him.
They knew very well who he was.

Maybe Ahmaud was nosy... did he see something the McMichael's wanted to be kept hidden ?
This changes the perspective as I'd assumed they didn't know who Ahmaud was at the time of the killing.

I've walked by a house under construction a few years ago, and stopped to look at it from the sidewalk.
I'm thankful no one in my neighborhood came after me with two cars, blocked me off, and shot me to death for no reason.

it was years ago, maybe they recognized him, maybe not. Not sure how it helps either way. Seems if they knew he had a record they might have more suspicion of him. Let’s find out!

 

[Lark]

Look again, while Travis did move to the right, Arbery darted around the front and charged him, pushing him again past the double yellows while grappling with the gun and then assaulting Travis. The autopsy report states he took a shot to the right palm, which is presumed to be when he first charged Travis and grabbed the shotgun (which went off immediately) by the muzzle. Are you saying Travis drug him back across the road? How can you explain they ended up there, if Arbery didnt charge him with violence?

I did look again and I saw the same thing. Travis is first standing in the middle of the left lane and when the first shot occurs, Travis has crossed the double yellow lines and is standing directly in front of the driver seat, meaning he moved approximately 8 feet toward Ahmaud. Meanwhile Ahmaud runs off the lane to the right of the truck, away from Travis. If you look under the truck, you can see shadows showing Ahmaud is in front of the passenger seat/tire, so he's only moved back onto the very edge of the road, maybe one foot toward Travis (look at the shadows under the truck). Likely to get back on the road and keep running, not tackle Travis with his shotgun. However, Travis was right in his path, coming toward him and he was likely going to be shot, so he fought. It appears Travis lunged toward Ahmaud, while holding a shotgun. Travis is the aggressor.

The moment of the first shot is at the 20 second mark:

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Look at where they both are. If you use the comma and period on the keyboard, you can advance frame by frame when the video is paused.

Look at where Travis is 5 seconds earlier. One person is moving away from confrontation, the other is moving toward confrontation.

As a woman, if I was jogging and three men with guns, in two different trucks attempted to block me, follow me, order me to stop and answer their questions multiple times, I would be scared out of my mind thinking I was about to be kidnapped and abducted. If these men blocked my path, while a third is pulling up on me from behind and then lunged at me with a gun, of course I would fight back. I can't imagine the terror a black man in the deep South is feeling in that same scenario? Watching that video brings flashbacks of movie scenes with lynchings.

 

[MsBetsy]

Look again, while Travis did move to the right, Arbery darted around the front and charged him, pushing him again past the double yellows while grappling with the gun and then assaulting Travis. The autopsy report states he took a shot to the right palm, which is presumed to be when he first charged Travis and grabbed the shotgun (which went off immediately) by the muzzle. Are you saying Travis drug him back across the road? How can you explain they ended up there, if Arbery didnt charge him with violence?

Weren't there three shots fired?
I'm not sure how much of a threat he could have been after being shot in his right hand.

Do we know how many gunshot wounds he had and which one killed him? It seems unlikely that he would bleed out so fast just from being shot in the palm.

 

[bears10]

<modsnip: personalizing> They saw him where he didn't belong and tried to hold him for the cops. The fact he attacked and fought him, grabbed a gun while hitting him, was an act of violence that caused him to defend himself. Now if they shot him from the pickup while driving up to him, you would have a point.

He did not attack them. TM got out of the truck - with his gun - and initiated a confrontation.

 

[Lark]

Weren't there three shots fired?
I'm not sure how much of a threat he could have been after being shot in his right hand.

Do we know how many gunshot wounds he had and which one killed him? It seems unlikely that he would bleed out so fast just from being shot in the palm.

Three shots were fired, but I'm not sure which one killed him?

 

[simlyme]

Three shots were fired, but I'm not sure which one killed him?

Unfortunately all 3 shots were meant to murder him. Justice for Ahmaud!!

 

[bears10]

Oh yeah, New York. That's a wild card. World is upside down there! Like to read the story though. Thanks.

if by upside down you mean we aren’t a bunch of racists who think it’s completely acceptable to hunt strangers down like deer, then yep, the world is upside down here! what happened to AA is murder, and I genuinely can’t grasp how anyone can see otherwise.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

I can't imagine the terror a black man in the deep South is feeling in that same scenario? Watching that video brings flashbacks of movie scenes with lynchings.

RSBM
Yes I too have seen my share of those movies and wish I hadn’t. I feel fear for AA whenever I catch a glimpse of this video and hope to never view it again but it keeps automatically playing on certain websites ...I feel the need to vomit when it comes on.