GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[Sillybilly]

“Complete shock. I’ve never been involved in anything like that before,” Bryan said. “Complete shock.”

[SNIP]

“I am not feeling safe at all… I haven’t felt safe in at least 3 to 5 days now,” Bryan said. “Like Amy (Elrod, Bryan’s fiancée) has said, the threats have been real.”

[SNIP]

“I had nothing to do with it. I’m trying to get my life back to normal, and it’s been smeared for the last week,” Bryan said. “I was told I was a witness and I’m not sure what I am, other than receiving a bunch of threats.”

[SNIP]

Gough said people should be thanking his client.

"But for his action, there would be no evidence of this crime," Gough said.

Man who recorded shooting of Ahmaud Arbery speaks out, says he’s getting death threats

"I am not feeling safe at all" ???

Oh really? No sympathy here for you Mr. "Roddy" Bryan. Perhaps you are feeling just a tiny smidge of what Ahmaud Arbery felt when he was being hunted down like an animal. According to your friend McMichael in the police report:

McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and “Roddy” attempted to block him which was unsuccessful.

 

[MsBetsy]

Delete, double post

 

[oviedo]

"I am not feeling safe at all" ???

Oh really? No sympathy here for you Mr. "Roddy" Bryan. Perhaps you are feeling just a tiny smidge of what Ahmaud Arbery felt when he was being hunted down like an animal. According to your friend McMichael in the police report:

McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and “Roddy” attempted to block him which was unsuccessful.

I don't understand why he has not been arrested - it seems he at least blocked him - not sure what the charge would be for that - but I think he was a willing participant.
IMO

 

[MsBetsy]

New surveillance video shows Ahmaud Arbery entering construction site then leaving empty-handed | Daily Mail Online
"...In the two months before Ahmaud's killing, there were no reports of suspected burglaries in the area, and the owner of the under-construction property has spoken out to say they have no links to the McMichaels whatsoever...."

Am curious about the stolen fishing equipment that the owner didn't report.
Was it from the house under construction ?
Usually you begin bringing you possessions into the home after it's close to being completed.

It would appear from the homeowner's newly-released footage that Ahmaud was just checking out the new building.
And yes there are those elsewhere and here in this thread who have done the same thing !

I like to visualize how it's all going to look after completion.
Never have I been shot at, and actually have never even been asked to leave.
I've looked at it from the sidewalk as I don't want to risk getting injured or something falling on my head.
Yes I'm a wimp when it comes to safety.

My friend jogs before work in the early a.m.; & likes to look at houses under construction and once when he was looking at a home under construction, a crew foreman drove up with 2 employees and gave him a business card in case he wanted some work done in the future.

This was so stupid on the part of the perps; and such a sad and unnecessary death.

No, I don't think the fishing equipment was stolen from the home under construction. I'm pretty sure the owner said he had never had anything taken from the unfinished home.

I'm not sure why the men assumed he was there to steal something. Usually there's not much to take from a home that is only about halfway built, besides lumber or construction equipment. Workers usually don't leave their tools lying around either.

Imo

 

[SharonNeedles]

It is easy to say what we would or would not do in a situation such as this, and hopefully most of us will never have to find out. My self defense classes have taught me that someone who complies with an armed person is in the most danger. I have always been taught to run from the assailant as that is your overall best chance of survival. Arbery tried to run and that didn't deter the men, so he made a different choice. We will never know his thought process since he can no longer speak.

IMO, the question is whether or not the father and son had a legal right to pursue Arbery with guns.

I don't think this boils down to a singular decision or action. This is a series of events each building on the preceding event, a snowball effect if you will. If any one of those actions had a do-over it would have played out differently.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Maybe I missed it, but does anybody know how Mr. Arbery got to the area? He's 12 miles from home, did he park nearby?

 

[Cryptic]

McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and “Roddy” attempted to block him which was unsuccessful.

I think several people involved seem to be changing their roles in light of the enormity of what occurred, the criminal charges and the publicity.

- The man taking the video seems to be recasting himself from active participant to... concerned citizen who was shocked at what occurred.

- An individual who appears to have spread the word to neighbors that he was the victim of a purported and perhaps exaggerated theft of $2,500 theft (possibly inflaming excitable dim wits) to.... mild mannered citizen who never had anything stolen from the property, never claimed otherwise, and thus never "juiced up" anybody.

 

[sonicfanaticsmommy]

Would I try to take the gun? Absolutely not. I would do whatever I needed to do to not get shot.

trying to disarm the person who is hunting you down is absolutely an option when you’re doing whatever you need to do to not get shot.<modsnip>

 

[Hope4More]

“Complete shock. I’ve never been involved in anything like that before,” Bryan said. “Complete shock.”

[SNIP]

“I am not feeling safe at all… I haven’t felt safe in at least 3 to 5 days now,” Bryan said. “Like Amy (Elrod, Bryan’s fiancée) has said, the threats have been real.”

[SNIP]

“I had nothing to do with it. I’m trying to get my life back to normal, and it’s been smeared for the last week,” Bryan said. “I was told I was a witness and I’m not sure what I am, other than receiving a bunch of threats.”

[SNIP]

Gough said people should be thanking his client.

"But for his action, there would be no evidence of this crime," Gough said.

Man who recorded shooting of Ahmaud Arbery speaks out, says he’s getting death threats

Bryan's claim that he "had nothing to do with it" isn't true.

1. Tucker, the attorney who leaked Bryan's video to the media, said this shortly afterwards:

" The guy who took the video is the one who saw Arbery coming out of the house and said 'that's him!'".

Video of Ahmaud Arbery's death was released by the lawyer for the men who killed him, attorney claims

2. The original police report was largely based on what Senior told LE. It was Senior who said "Roddy" tried to block Ahmaud (on Burford Rd) but was unsuccessful.

3. DA Barnhill includes Bryan as a participant, not witness, in his account of the "hot pursuit" of Ahmaud.

4. If you look at a map of the Satilla Shores subdivision to see how the chase played out, it's obvious that Bryan couldn't have "accidentally" followed Junior and Senior onto Holmes (where Ahmaud was killed) from Burford Rd, where Ahmaud was first cut off by Junior and Senior AND Bryan.

Bryan necessarily chose to turn onto Holmes, for whatever reason, and to begin filming moments later, for whatever reason. It's interesting, actually, that he didn't begin filming until AFTER Junior and Senior pulled in front of Ahmaud, stopped the truck in the road, and Junior exited the truck, shotgun in hand.

 

[sonicfanaticsmommy]

I don't think this boils down to a singular decision or action. This is a series of events each building on the preceding event, a snowball effect if you will. If any one of those actions had a do-over it would have played out differently.

actually, it does boil down to a single action - the mcmichael’s instigating a lawless hunt of a complete stranger. if they had not initiated that, they never would have killed ahmaud.
isn’t this supposed to be a victim friendly site??? i think some of you are forgetting that at the end of
the day, the mcmichaels (who you are desperately trying to defend) have been CHARGED WITH MURDER for what they did to this young man. but please, let’s keep hemming and hawing over how YOU would have defended yourself if someone was trying to MURDER you.

 

[Cappuccino]

actually, it does boil down to a single action - the mcmichael’s instigating a lawless hunt of a complete stranger. if they had not initiated that, they never would have killed ahmaud.
isn’t this supposed to be a victim friendly site??? i think some of you are forgetting that at the end of
the day, the mcmichaels (who you are desperately trying to defend) have been CHARGED WITH MURDER for what they did to this young man. but please, let’s keep hemming and hawing over how YOU would have defended yourself if someone was trying to MURDER you.

I think this case will hinge on whether the McMichaels were acting within Georgia laws covering citizens arrests. If they weren't then this is felony murder. If they were then they can claim self-defence because Arbery grabbed the gun.

 

[Hope4More]

"I am not feeling safe at all" ???

Oh really? No sympathy here for you Mr. "Roddy" Bryan. Perhaps you are feeling just a tiny smidge of what Ahmaud Arbery felt when he was being hunted down like an animal. According to your friend McMichael in the police report:

McMichael stated the unidentified male turned around and began running back the direction from which he came and “Roddy” attempted to block him which was unsuccessful.

Bryan says: "if that's what THEY want to do is scare me, then they've scared me."

Wonder who he means by THEY? It's also curious that his fiancee said Bryan was afraid to end up in the same jail as Senior and Junior.

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

Bryan says: "if that's what THEY want to do is scare me, then they've scared me."

Wonder who he means by THEY? It's also curious that his fiancee said Bryan was afraid to end up in the same jail as Senior and Junior.

Well we know Bryan sure wasn't trying to stop the two murderers was he? Didn't honk or yell or get out of his car or say, "STOP" or try to get in front of them to give Arbery a way to get away or even offer him a ride out of there.

 

[sds71]

Maybe I missed it, but does anybody know how Mr. Arbery got to the area? He's 12 miles from home, did he park nearby?

He lived with his mother and her house is about 2 miles away.

 

[Cappuccino]

Well we know Bryan sure wasn't trying to stop the two murderers was he? Didn't honk or yell or get out of his car or say, "STOP" or try to get in front of them to give Arbery a way to get away or even offer him a ride out of there.

Maybe that's because he knew the police were on their way and that the intention of the McMichaels wasn't to kill Arbery, but to detain him till the police arrived.

 

[sonicfanaticsmommy]

I think this case will hinge on whether the McMichaels were acting within Georgia laws covering citizens arrests. If they weren't then this is felony murder. If they were then they can claim self-defence because Arbery grabbed the gun.

seems to be like they’ve been charged with felony first degree murder already. just wanted to make sure you knew that <modsnip>

 

[tlcya]

I want to see the actual police report from February 23rd. What was released was an "incident Report" for public release. Where are the ACTUAL reports form that day's shooting scene? Also can't wait to see the actual police reports on the three or four trespassing calls to police in the months between August 2019 and the day of the murder and the police report on the 9mm stolen from the holster laying on the front seat of TM's truck on January 1, 2020.

Those reports may contain info on what, if anything, on those occasions was witnessed live, on video or however and by whom. And that will go a long way in proving what I believe to be true. The Ms were still very upset about the stolen gun and didn't like the looks of this young man they have been seeing in their neighborhood. He didn't fit. He didn't belong.

I don't know if I believe that GM recognized AA from their previous contact all those years ago. I tend to think not, but who knows.

I think the Ms pictured themselves as the "law" in their little peaceful neighborhood and as a result played judge jury and executioner. How dare AA not STOP when they told him to?

 

[tlcya]

Maybe that's because he knew the police were on their way and that the intention of the McMichaels wasn't to kill Arbery, but to detain him till the police arrived.

Maybe when your friend and neighbor is a respected retired long time officer of the law you just assume he knows and is following the law and you just come along for the ride because who doesn't want to participate in busting the big bad wolf responsible for a nonexistent neighborhood crime wave?

So far all I have heard is that the Ms told police about all these alleged burglaries. Wonder how many other neighbors they had informed of the neighborhood Crime Wave prior to February 23rd?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Maybe that's because he knew the police were on their way and that the intention of the McMichaels wasn't to kill Arbery, but to detain him till the police arrived.

The legal question is going to come down to whether McMichael has a right to defend himself in a confrontation he instigated. I don’t think he has a chance, nothing up to that point warrants brandishing deadly force.

 

[Cappuccino]

The legal question is going to come down to whether McMichael has a right to defend himself in a confrontation he instigated. I don’t think he has a chance, nothing up to that point warrants brandishing deadly force.

I don't know. In Georgia it is apparently legal to affect a citizen's arrest if you have reasonable suspicion that they have committed a felony.

Of course, whether they can convince a jury that their suspicion was reasonable remains to be seen.