GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[LietKynes]

There was no reason or justification to shoot or detain AA. Even if he was suspected of prior crimes, he wasn't doing anything wrong on this particular day.

The guy who was filming him had video of AA that they could have turned over to police along with other footage of him inside the construction site.

I can understand a neighborhood's concern with thieves. Ask the police to step up their patrol. That should be enough to deter would-be criminals.

bbm
Re. the blue bolded : Agreed, why didn't RB (the person taking the video) just turn this over to the police ?
And the owner of the home could also have turned over the footage of Ahmaud showing that he took nothing from the construction site.
Why wait until there was an outcry ?

Yes we can look it up now-- but why not turn it over immediately as soon as the homeowner knew a man was killed who was earlier on their property ?

It's as if most involved in Ahmaud's death are in major CYA mode.

Re. the lavender bolded : Yes, it would be enough. We are not living in the wild west in the early 1800's.
No need to chase down people we think may have trespassed and shoot them in cold blood.

 

[LietKynes]

That's him, but nothing was ever taken at any time. Was it?

bbm
No, the homeowner said nothing was taken.

Possibly a simple trespass but that didn't warrant an execution by the McMichael's.

 

[JudgeJoe]

I just found it

Not really understanding significance of this vid- I get AA was there. But nothing vandalized, stolen, damaged. There’s an old guy in my neighborhood who trespasses to peek in every home under construction. I see him snooping every morning on my walk. No reason to think he’s a robber.

Been following this case locally, horrified- Brunswick an hour away. This won’t end in acquittal for sure. After living in many different states, I can say GA is the most racially charged place I’ve ever lived. GBI would get crucified & heads would roll if they don’t do their jobs properly. There’ll be a conviction. Sentencing will be harsh. Mo

 

[CuriousObserver1]

Unless it comes out that he has previous convictions/is known to the police for misdemeanours, I really believe he was just being inquisitive / nosey...maybe even thinking he’d love to buy a house like this for himself or his mom one day So tragic, looks like a really nice family boy.

 

[sds71]

Two close-range shotgun blasts to the chest that planted two separate groups of shotgun pellets are what killed the 25-year-old jogger, reported TMZ, citing the autopsy report. Arbery also had a graze wound on his right wrist...
The report also said there were no drugs or alcohol in his system,
The report from the Georgia Bureau of Investigations was dated April 1, even though Arbery was gunned down in February, and described his attire on the day he was murdered while jogging.
The white T-shirt, tan cargo shorts, gray athletic shoes and two tan bandanas match what can be seen in a video that emerged over the weekend of what appears to be Arbery veering off his run to scope out a new home construction site...
The duo has been saying in their defense that they had been responding to reports of a series of burglaries in the area. However, no burglaries had been reported in the area for weeks when they ambushed Arbery.
In addition, burglary is not a capital crime.
Autopsy of Ahmaud Arbery reveals 3 shotgun wounds: report

 

[Cappuccino]

Unless it comes out that he has previous convictions/is known to the police for misdemeanours, I really believe he was just being inquisitive / nosey...maybe even thinking he’d love to buy a house like this for himself or his mom one day So tragic, looks like a really nice family boy.

He has two previous convictions - one for bringing a gun to a High School basketball game, and one for stealing a television. McMichael senior was involved in the investigation into the stolen television.

 

[Gardenista]

That's him, but nothing was ever taken at any time. Was it?

Not sure. It's so weird.

 

[Sillybilly]

That's him, but nothing was ever taken at any time. Was it?

No reports of him taking anything that we're aware of and, shirtless/shorts or t-shirt and shorts, it doesn't appear that he took anything in either video. IMO, he just appears curious.

 

[Cappuccino]

Not sure. It's so weird.

Here's a plausible scenario, backed up by the facts we know...

The man who owns the house under construction has CCTV footage of an intruder, not Arbery, repeatedly trespassing on his property at night. He shares the footage with the neighbors including McMichael senior. When Arbery passes the McMichael house on that fatal day, McMichael realises that his face is familiar, (actually from investigating him two years ago over the stolen television), but can't remember where from. So he jumps to the conclusion that this must be the guy from the CCTV footage and gets his son to accompany him down the road in pursuit to question him and/or detain him till the police arrive.

I don't know what the Georgian legal system would make of that scenario, but I think it's a possible one.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Here's a plausible scenario, backed up by the facts we know...

The man who owns the house under construction has CCTV footage of an intruder, not Arbery, repeatedly trespassing on his property at night. He shares the footage with the neighbors including McMichael senior. When Arbery passes the McMichael house on that fatal day, McMichael realises that his face is familiar, (actually from investigating him two years ago over the stolen television), but can't remember where from. So he jumps to the conclusion that this must be the guy from the CCTV footage and gets his son to accompany him down the road in pursuit to question him and/or detain him till the police arrive.

I don't know what the Georgian legal system would make of that scenario, but I think it's a possible one.

So it would be complete coincidence that he was inside that property moments before?

 

[Cappuccino]

So it would be complete coincidence that he was inside that property moments before?

Coincidences happen. If that's what happened here, then this was a coincidence with tragic consequences. What the legal system will make of it remains to be seen, it will certainly be a trial I'll follow closely. If indeed it even goes to trial rather than ending with a plea deal.

 

[Leve]

I just found it

Is that a boat in the night time video? If so it makes more sense about the fishing equipment.

 

[branmuffin]

Texas has a plea for muder which is essentially "I thought I was doing the right thing," i.e. stopping a thief. It may be GA has a similar law.

Is it under article "Oops!"

 

[Leve]

He has two previous convictions - one for bringing a gun to a High School basketball game, and one for stealing a television. McMichael senior was involved in the investigation into the stolen television.

Convictions? I see arrests. 6 years ago when he was a teenager for the gun charge. And shoplifting last year.

 

[Cappuccino]

Convictions? I see arrests. 6 years ago when he was a teenager for the gun charge. And shoplifting last year.

He was on probation. There has to be a conviction for that, no?

He was 19 at the time he brought a gun to a high school basketball game. He was an adult.

What do we know about the Arbery case?

 

[SharonNeedles]

Is that a boat in the night time video? If so it makes more sense about the fishing equipment.

Looks like a boat to me.

 

[nao]

As a person that has been at the end of a long gun. That gun was very very close. Gun was point blank..in my case ..there were words..no idea what they were..when the words stopped I grabbed gun and pushed down..gun went off he shot his toe.. you cannot fight for control of a gun unless it is very close. I pity the shooter. I hope his father understands he is responsible for this situation.
I have often wandered around under construction houses....even houses up for sale or rent..if a door is open.

 

[Hope4More]

Here's a plausible scenario, backed up by the facts we know...

The man who owns the house under construction has CCTV footage of an intruder, not Arbery, repeatedly trespassing on his property at night. He shares the footage with the neighbors including McMichael senior. When Arbery passes the McMichael house on that fatal day, McMichael realises that his face is familiar, (actually from investigating him two years ago over the stolen television), but can't remember where from. So he jumps to the conclusion that this must be the guy from the CCTV footage and gets his son to accompany him down the road in pursuit to question him and/or detain him till the police arrive.

I don't know what the Georgian legal system would make of that scenario, but I think it's a possible one.

IMO, that scenario isn't credible. It assumes:

1. That Senior was able to recognize Ahmaud's face almost instantaneously, as he ran by Senior. Who knows how close Senior actually was to the road, or if he was even outside and in the front yard as he's claimed. Other parts of what Senior claimed have been demonstrated untrue.

2. That theoretical instantaneous recognition would have been based on Senior instantly remembering someone from a cursory investigation he did 2 years prior of a minor theft (NOT a burglary) by someone whose only encounter with LE had been years earlier, for carrying a gun (not displaying it or using it or threatening anyone with it) where it wasn't allowed.

There would have been nothing memorable for Senior to remember, much less instantaneously after a brief glimpse of someone running past him, at least some yards away.

3. If Senior could recognize Ahmaud in that fleeting instant, why didn't he (in his own mind, anyway) " recognize" Ahmaud in any of the surveillance videos taken on the English construction site?

 

[Gardenista]

Gray is mapping the scene

 

[Cappuccino]

IMO, that scenario isn't credible. It assumes:

1. That Senior was able to recognize Ahmaud's face almost instantaneously, as he ran by Senior. Who knows how close Senior actually was to the road, or if he was even outside and in the front yard as he's claimed. Other parts of what Senior claimed have been demonstrated untrue.

2. That theoretical instantaneous recognition would have been based on Senior instantly remembering someone from a cursory investigation he did 2 years prior of a minor theft (NOT a burglary) by someone whose only encounter with LE had been years earlier, for carrying a gun (not displaying it or using it or threatening anyone with it) where it wasn't allowed.

There would have been nothing memorable for Senior to remember, much less instantaneously after a brief glimpse of someone running past him, at least some yards away.

3. If Senior could recognize Ahmaud in that fleeting instant, why didn't he recognize Ahmaud in any of the surveillance videos taken on the English construction site?

You're misunderstanding me. My theory is that it wasn't Arbery on the surveillance videos in the first place. I'm suggesting that McMichael thought Arbery looked vaguely familiar but didn't know where from. So, given that he was in the neighborhood, McMichael jumped to the conclusion that he was the guy from the videos he was shown the previous October when the real reason Arbery looked vaguely familiar was the 2018 investigation into the stolen television.