GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[tlcya]

I can find no details of this theft and arrest. I just figured that "shoplifting" meant from a business establishment......I just cannot find any MSM or LE Courts info on this shoplifting arrest..... I could care less about all the "emotions" surrounding all interested parties in this case. I am curious about the real lives and details of all the ones involved. The future trial and it's "by products" should be very interesting to observe......moo

Agree, I'm more concerned about the emotions of the victim in this case, Ahmaud Arbery.

 

[branmuffin]

Here's the incident report drawn up by the Glynn County PD.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf

There are a few things that stand out for me. Firstly, is that GM states his home address is 200 River Ridge Rd about 10.5 miles and a 15 minute drive to Satilla Drive.

Second is that there are incidents linked to this crime, two Trespassing incidences that occurred on Feb 24, the day after AA died and an Auto Theft incident that occurred on Mar 4.

Third, is that the explanation that GM gives doesn't jibe with William Bryan's statement regarding the incident.

And forth, their offered times lines of seeing AA on the street, 'recognizing' him as the guy in the video, running into their house to get their weapons (in case he was armed), go back outside, get in the truck, drive to the intersection of Holmes and Satilla, see AA on Burford, drive down Burford to cut him off, then when AA turns to go back the way he came, the turn the truck around and go after him again as AA retraces his steps. That's when he says Roddy tried to block AA.

When I see the video, both Roddy's truck and the MM truck are facing the same direction.

Between the time AA left the construction site and the the first cop car arriving to scene about 6 minutes elapsed. I can't see all that happening in 6 minutes. A white truck that appears to be in front of the TM residence leaves about a minute after AA leaves the construction site.

 

[BeckyF]

Gregory McMichael spent many years of his tenure with the District Attorneys Office without maintaining a proper certification to be a law enforcement officer.
Personnel records obtained by News4Jax show that in 2014, McMichael faced suspension of his certification with the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council. Because of his deficit in training hours, McMichael had not had arrest powers since 2006.
McMichael had to turn in his badge, gun and keys and was not allowed to serve subpoenas or work in the field in any manner.
In a letter to then POST Director Mitch Jones, Jackie Johnson thanked him for the council’s decision to grant the waiver to Mr. McMichael so that he could continue to serve as an investigator with her office.
McMichael had his certification suspended by the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council in 2019 for again failing to maintain training, this time for 2018. McMichael was allowed to stay with the District Attorney’s Office as a staff liaison and report to work at the Camden County District attorney’s Office until his retirement in June 2019. McMichael was not allowed to carry a firearm, badge or operate any vehicle with lights, sirens or police radio.
In July/August of that year, he joined the Brunswick Police Department as a patrolman, but only worked there for one month.
McMichael then left law enforcement for more than five years, working in sales first for a distributor of beer and liquor, then selling boats.
In 1995, he resurfaced in law enforcement at the Glynn County Sheriff’s Office as a deputy bailiff for about three months, then moved over to the Brunswick Judicial Circuit in 1995 where he worked until he retired in 2019.

Retired DA investigator accused in Ahmaud Arbery’s death worked for years without arrest powers

Wow! Thank you for this. It appears GM doesn't like to follow rules. Perhaps when he retired he thought he finally had the chance to be a real law enforcement officer.

 

[Boxer]

Thank You.

I was looking again but think the article was pulled.

Gray Hughes did a map.
Arbery ran from the house under construction past McMichaels house which was about 300 yards south (4 houses) on the same side of Satillo. There is no line of sight.
M&M chased and said that William Bryan assisted.
The final confrontation occurred on Holmes a street roughly parrallel to Satillo with Arbery travelling south on Holmes trying to past their truck when Travis got out with a shotgun.

 

[tlcya]

Wow! Thank you for this. It appears GM doesn't like to follow rules. Perhaps when he retired he thought he finally had the chance to be a real law enforcement officer.

My nomination for post of the day.

 

[branmuffin]

Yes, it was mentioned earlier in the thread.
Can you imagine coming home to a place that is supposed to be safe, a sanctuary if you must.
And find out someone had violated your privacy like that and took what didn't belong to him?

I just couldn't imagine something so horrific.
I wonder if there were any children present when this happened?

It would be a violation of your safe sanctuary... if you lived in a store. It said he was charged with shoplifting.

 

[Matic]

I was looking again but think the article was pulled.

Gray Hughes did a map.
Arbery ran from the house under construction past McMichaels house which was about 300 yards south (4 houses) on the same side of Satillo. There is no line of sight.
M&M chased and said that William Bryan assisted.
The final confrontation occurred on Holmes a street roughly parrallel to Satillo with Arbery travelling south on Holmes trying to past their truck when Travis got out with a shotgun.

That's interesting, but why are you quoting me?
I was thanking oviedo for providing the link to the media thread pertaining to a discussion about the shoplifting charge when AA violated his probation.
Did you mean to quote someone else perhaps?

 

[Matic]

It would be a violation of your safe sanctuary... if you lived in a store. It said he was charged with shoplifting.

I apologize for not double checking the Facts before posting.

 

[zencompass]

I was looking again but think the article was pulled.

Gray Hughes did a map.
Arbery ran from the house under construction past McMichaels house which was about 300 yards south (4 houses) on the same side of Satillo. There is no line of sight.
M&M chased and said that William Bryan assisted.
The final confrontation occurred on Holmes a street roughly parrallel to Satillo with Arbery travelling south on Holmes trying to past their truck when Travis got out with a shotgun.

Thanks for reminding me to check out Gray Hughes on this case and especially his maps! He is so thorough.

Shout out to @grayhuze !

You are so greatly appreciated for all of the work you do on your Youtube Channel for the victims and their families. Thank you!

 

[Boxer]

That's interesting, but why are you quoting me?
I was thanking oviedo for providing the link to the media thread pertaining to a discussion about the shoplifting charge when AA violated his probation.
Did you mean to quote someone else perhaps?

Sorry. I was answering a question about Arbery being blocked by MM 3 times.
I thought it was you who asked.
I will look back and try to figure out.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, it was mentioned earlier in the thread.
Can you imagine coming home to a place that is supposed to be safe, a sanctuary if you must.
And find out someone had violated your privacy like that and took what didn't belong to him?

I just couldn't imagine something so horrific.
I wonder if there were any children present when this happened?

I think shoplifting is when something is stolen from the store. Entering someone's home to steal their tv would be burglary. Jmo

 

[Matic]

Sorry. I was answering a question about Arbery being blocked by MM 3 times.
I thought it was you who asked.
I will look back and try to figure out.

No worries.

 

[Matic]

I think shoplifting is when something is stolen from the store. Entering someone's home to steal their tv would be burglary. Jmo

Yes. Thank you. I apologized.
It was totally my bad and I should have checked my facts.

 

[Matic]

I wonder what the reason for stealing the tv was?
He was so close to getting off probation for his felony charges.

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[GoBuckeyes]

My guess? When no one was arrested for their sons murder
Imo
Thanks everyone for the MSM links I’ve updated his media thread

My guess, and I'm wrong often enough, is that there were no lawyers knocking on their door...until this became an explosive situation with every major news outlet around the globe covering it.

I want to be wrong. I hope they had plenty of support around them, including from a lawyer, immediately after their son's death. I hope contact with that lawyer was frequent and ongoing. I'd like to think there was a benevolent lawyer who got involved immediately, pro bono. I'd like to think that, but experience just won't let me. AMOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Third, is that the explanation that GM gives doesn't jibe with William Bryan's statement regarding the incident.

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Just jumping off this part of your post branmuffin ...

Pretty amazing that Roddie was able to keep a steady hand on that video right up to and including stopping to the left and just shy of the rear bumper of the McMichael truck ... mere feet from that final horrifying moment and all the while there are 2 guys with guns on the road. He sure seemed to be confident he wasn't in any danger of being shot.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The homeowner is terrified. He has been victim to numerous death threats and the black Panthers camped outside his house.

But he previously told media that yes he had had 2500$ worth of stuff stolen in the recent rash of burglaries.

Forgive my ignorance, please. What's the difference again in the BP's camping out at his residence and making death threats versus the present day clan's intimidation tactics? Where is the outrage for B. English? Where are the calls for justice for him and for him family? What do-gooder on SM is advocating for him? Is some kindly lawyer advocating for him?

 

[Sillybilly]

Forgive my ignorance, please. What's the difference again in the BP's camping out at his residence and making death threats versus the present day clan's intimidation tactics? Where is the outrage for B. English? Where are the calls for justice for him and for him family? What do-gooder on SM is advocating for him? Is some kindly lawyer advocating for him?

Of course it is wrong, absolutely! Larry English and Roddie Bryan are both receiving death threats. I suggest however the difference in outrage is that both Mr. Bryan and Mr. English are very much alive, while Ahmaud Arbery is the primary victim in this case and he is dead.

If you mean Larry English (not B. English), he does have a lawyer. Her name is Elizabeth Graddy.

Statement by homeowner's via their lawyer, Elizabeth Graddy

from: New video appears to show Ahmaud Arbery moments before his death

In a statement, the owners of the under-construction home say they have no relationship with the McMichaels, and would never have wanted what they call a "vigilante response."

"First, and most important, the English family -- the homeowners -- want Ahmaud Arbery's parents to know that they are very sorry for the loss of their son and they are praying for them," said the statement from Elizabeth Graddy, attorney for homeowner Larry English. "Second, it is crucial to understand that the English family -- the homeowners -- were not part of what the McMichaels did. The first accounts suggested a link between the McMichaels and the homeowners, but there is none. The English family had no relationship with the McMichaels and did not even know what had occurred until after Mr. Arbery's death was reported to them. After seeing Mr. Arbery's photo in news reports, Larry English did not even think Mr. Arbery was the person that appears in this video. Even if it had been, however, Mr. English would never have sought a vigilante response, much less one resulting in a tragic death."

 

[GoBuckeyes]

He is the victim on this thread. I don’t think speculating about his motive for a previous charge is even appropriate under these circumstances. It has no bearing on his murder. No offense he has been charged with in the past was a death penalty offense and in no way justified what was done to him. Fact. Not speculation.

I disagree. It may have a great deal to do with how we got to where we are today in this case. NO, stealing a TV doesn't warrant murder. But being involved in criminal activity certainly increases the chances of someone meeting a less than desirable fate.

We still don't know what the M's did or did not know, what neighbors did or did not share, or what they did or did not see prior to their confronting AA. Answers to those questions matter very much. They speak to their frame of mind at the time. Do I think it was the right call to handle it the way they did? Unequivocally, NO. But, are they necessarily premeditated murderers, no. If the answers to those questions come back and are unfavorable to them, then I'm all for calling a spade a spade, classifying them as murderers, and giving them the appropriate punishment that comes with it.

If we agree that AA could steal a TV, but still be a good man, at least until the facts all come to light, couldn't we consider that the M's just might be (however remote the possibility) good men who made a terrible choice? None of us is all bad or all good. I'd hate to be judged by the world based on my worst decision.

I'm just not seeing premeditation here. Who plans to commit murder and asks their buddy to come along and trail behind and film it? Who calls the police right before they hop in a truck to mow someone down? Who slows down and has a verbal exchange with the victim? Who shoots this jogger in a residential area in broad daylight? They could have followed him to a more remote location.

They are absolutely guilty of poor judgment and awful choices. They may or may not be guilty of murder. It remains to be seen how and if Georgia law sanctions their actions that day. If it turns out that they are murderers under Georgia law, IMOO, they did not get into the truck with the intent to kill AA.

What's makes this case so much worse for all involved is the DA stepping in and thwarting the arrests initially. I don't know her reasons. I do know that LE and a DA's office have a bit of an adversarial relationship in general. As in the more a DA is concerned with conviction rate, the more selective they are in what cases go to trial. Whatever the reasons, that decision did no one any favors. AMOO

 

[Boxer]

I disagree. It may have a great deal to do with how we got to where we are today in this case. NO, stealing a TV doesn't warrant murder. But being involved in criminal activity certainly increases the chances of someone meeting a less than desirable fate.

We still don't know what the M's did or did not know, what neighbors did or did not share, or what they did or did not see prior to their confronting AA. Answers to those questions matter very much. They speak to their frame of mind at the time. Do I think it was the right call to handle it the way they did? Unequivocally, NO. But, are they necessarily premeditated murderers, no. If the answers to those questions come back and are unfavorable to them, then I'm all for calling a spade a spade, classifying them as murderers, and giving them the appropriate punishment that comes with it.

If we agree that AA could steal a TV, but still be a good man, at least until the facts all come to light, couldn't we consider that the M's just might be (however remote the possibility) good men who made a terrible choice? None of us is all bad or all good. I'd hate to be judged by the world based on my worst decision.

I'm just not seeing premeditation here. Who plans to commit murder and asks their buddy to come along and trail behind and film it? Who calls the police right before they hop in a truck to mow someone down? Who slows down and has a verbal exchange with the victim? Who shoots this jogger in a residential area in broad daylight? They could have followed him to a more remote location.

They are absolutely guilty of poor judgment and awful choices. They may or may not be guilty of murder. It remains to be seen how and if Georgia law sanctions their actions that day. If it turns out that they are murderers under Georgia law, IMOO, they did not get into the truck with the intent to kill AA.

What's makes this case so much worse for all involved is the DA stepping in and thwarting the arrests initially. I don't know her reasons. I do know that LE and a DA's office have a bit of an adversarial relationship in general. As in the more a DA is concerned with conviction rate, the more selective they are in what cases go to trial. Whatever the reasons, that decision did no one any favors. AMOO

MOO. The question is did M&M witness or have immediate knowledge of felony. If not then they were not making a citizens arrest in the first place.
As they were armed and chasing a man,
they have to have thought about using the arms.
The moment Travis M exited the truck with the shotgun and moved toward Arbery he was attrmpting to make Arbery comply by threat of harm or death. Abery did not comply, fought back and died.

If Travis thought Arbery was armed why would he jump out of the truck to initiate a confrontation like that?