GA - Ahmaud Arbery, 25, jogger, fatally shot by former PD and son, Brunswick, Feb 2020

[Hope4More]

so now we get a little more info on the circumstances we read about in the incident report released re the day of the shooting re: the Ms saying they saw him fiddling with his waistband and were worried maybe AA had a gun.
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Now neighbor Diego Perez says the two men had already approached their victim on February 11, after spotting him at the same construction site Arbery is thought to have looked round on the day of his death.

Perez told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 'Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped. He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road.'

Travis is said to have returned with his father, who was armed and who had called the local police.

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From the Daily Mail's source article at Atlanta J-C:

Diego Perez accompanied Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son Travis McMichael, 34, on the Feb. 11 search and was at the shooting scene immediately after Arbery was shot on Feb. 23. Perez said he recognized Arbery as the man they had confronted earlier.

[SNIP]

The Feb. 11 encounter had been prompted by a motion-sensor security camera video in the construction site that had pinged the property owner who was two hours away. The owner, Larry English, texted the video to Perez, who lived near the construction site.

Perez, who has spoken to the GBI, had offered to keep watch, and told English he’d be happy to check on the property any time. English told the AJC that he did not know the McMichaels or provide them with any camera footage. Nothing was taken from his property, he said.
Suspects in Arbery shooting had earlier neighborhood confrontation

IMO, the man in the Feb 11 video looks like AA. (Unlike in the earlier videos). Did I miss a timestamp/ reference to the time of encounter?

On the surface, and if the reporting on what Perez said is accurate, and if Perez's account itself is accurate, it's hinky that AA would have visited the site via being a passenger in someone else's car, not just wandering in mid-neighborhood jog. Doesn't mean AA was guilty of anything, but yep, hinky, imo.

That LE said they hadn't received any recent reports about neighborhood burglaries might have been true technically, it was quite the omission not to reveal that MM called LE on Feb 11 that night. Ongoing investigation and such, most likely.

--ETA.

Perez's account, on second read, is actually confusing on key points. Perez, armed, walked towards the site. Travis, driving from the other direction, pulled up. Perez had a very short walk to the site. Why then is his account that TRAVIS (not WE) said he saw the trespasser in the yard, TRAVIS (not we) approached him, and that only Travis, not WE who saw the trespasser "put his hands on his pants/waistband"?

According to P's account, what is more clear is that MM was NOT there to see the trespasser allegedly putting his hands in his pants. And the only point in the story where Perez places himself on the site is after TM goes home to fetch an armed MM and the 3 of them go to the site. After that, fuzziness again about whether MM ever saw the trespasser himself, or where the trespasser was when all 3 were onsite.

 

[Hope4More]

DP deleted

 

[SharonNeedles]

It's only possible to believe that if you don't believe that someone other than Travis has identified himself as that 911 caller, AND that MM lied about being the one who first identified AA that day, then ran inside, where Travis was, to tell him to get a gun & go.

No, it’s possible to believe if you verify. That’s the great thing about NPR, any time I’ve had a question I’ve been able to contact the reporter directly and I’ve always gotten a quick reply. If you really believe that first caller was not Travis McMichael I’d invite you to contact Glynn County.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

To me it sounds like they were concerned neighborhood residents confronting a person whom they knew to have a history of crime, including theft and carrying a hand gun, who repeatedly creeped their neighborhood. Jmo

The roads into the neighborhood are public. People are allowed to travel on them - even people with very old offenses on the books for carrying, but not using or brandishing, a firearm. If they just didn't want to see certain people in their neighborhood, then they should consider paying for a gated community. Was he actually carrying a TV around the neighborhood? Or a kidnapped child? No? Then no felony. Did he match the suspected thief? Not at all, though maybe in their eyes he was close enough. But he didn't, and so not a reasonable suspicion, IMO.

As a reminder, a neighbor was quoted as saying that she had seen Arbery jogging before (and that she did not support the McMichaels' actions). Jogging - not thieving. This is America. We should all be equally free to travel on public roads. Trespassing in the construction site is another issue, of course - but not something to round up a posse and grab your weapons over.

 

[Herat]

Sounds like charges for premeditation can now be added

And maybe stalking

And violation of civil rights

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

‘I don’t fear the truth.’ Glynn DA says she welcomes investigation

 

[cody22]

Father and son 'had a confrontation with Ahmaud Arbery two weeks before he was shot' | Daily Mail Online

Thank you for sharing this info.....moo

 

[Boxer]

Travis McMichael did have direct knowledge of what he thought was a crime in progress. His 911 call establishes that without a doubt.

LISTEN: 911 Dispatcher Doesn’t Understand What Arbery Is ‘Doing Wrong’

Travis: There's a guy in a house right now. There's a house under construction.

911 Dispatcher: do you have your address or the other — that house's address?

Travis: Uh, right at 219 or 220 Satilla Drive.

911 Dispatcher: And you say someone's breaking into it right now?

Travis: No, it's all open and it's under construction and he's running right now. There he goes right now.

911 Dispatcher: OK. What is he doing?

Travis: He's running down the street.​

(Interference)

911 Dispatcher: OK. That's fine. I'll get them out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong.​

THIS is where the chain of events started, not with previous surveillance video that the McMichaels had never seen. They were surely aware that there had been crime in the neighborhood, and certainly Travis might have been influenced by his personal bias. But when this gets to trial the question isn’t going to be whether he had reasonable suspicion that a crime had occurred nor whether he was legally justified in pursuing - the question is going to be whether his specific actions were appropriate. They’re going to need to convince a jury that approaching their suspect was reasonable and that’s going to be a hard sell.

How did Travis know AA was in English's house? There is no line of site.

 

[tlcya]

‘I don’t fear the truth.’ Glynn DA says she welcomes investigation

thank you for the linked article. From the link with my own thoughts in italics:

“The one mistake I made in this case was trying to be helpful to the police,” she said during an interview this week with WIFO-FM in Jesup.

yeah, she helped police right off the case by imposing her own bias on what happened that day between AA and her long time investigator who she went out of her way to protect on at least one other occasion.

[snip]

“This has been devastating on Glynn County, on the people in that the neighborhood, on the family down there. A lot of outside forces have come in and Glynn County has been the subject of it and it’s not people that care about getting it right.”

Because she and Barnhill know and care about what's right for the residents of Glynn County. Just ask them.

 

[firebird]

The roads into the neighborhood are public. People are allowed to travel on them - even people with very old offenses on the books for carrying, but not using or brandishing, a firearm. If they just didn't want to see certain people in their neighborhood, then they should consider paying for a gated community. Was he actually carrying a TV around the neighborhood? Or a kidnapped child? No? Then no felony. Did he match the suspected thief? Not at all, though maybe in their eyes he was close enough. But he didn't, and so not a reasonable suspicion, IMO.

As a reminder, a neighbor was quoted as saying that she had seen Arbery jogging before (and that she did not support the McMichaels' actions). Jogging - not thieving. This is America. We should all be equally free to travel on public roads. Trespassing in the construction site is another issue, of course - but not something to round up a posse and grab your weapons over.

I'm referring to the prior confrontation at the construction site referenced in the article linked in the OP. Plus, Sr. knew about AA's criminal history from his prior employment, and likely from word on the street. From the link in the OP - bbm"

Now neighbor Diego Perez says the two men had already approached their victim on February 11, after spotting him at the same construction site Arbery is thought to have looked round on the day of his death.

Perez told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 'Travis saw him in the yard and Travis stopped. He confronted (the man) halfway into the yard. He said (the man) reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road.'

Travis is said to have returned with his father, who was armed and who had called the local police.

Perez said he witnessed the February 11 incident after the property owner, Larry English, who lived two hours away, asked him to keep an eye on the site.

After a motion sensor camera had been set off, Perez headed to the construction area, where he saw the McMichaels and the man he believes to have been Arbery.

Perez said nothing was taken from the home, adding: 'All we knew about him was that he was the guy who kept showing up on our cameras. No one knew who it was.'

 

[firebird]

thank you for the linked article. From the link with my own thoughts in italics:

“The one mistake I made in this case was trying to be helpful to the police,” she said during an interview this week with WIFO-FM in Jesup.

yeah, she helped police right off the case by imposing her own bias on what happened that day between AA and her long time investigator who she went out of her way to protect on at least one other occasion.

[snip]

“This has been devastating on Glynn County, on the people in that the neighborhood, on the family down there. A lot of outside forces have come in and Glynn County has been the subject of it and it’s not people that care about getting it right.”

Because she and Barnhill know and care about what's right for the residents of Glynn County. Just ask them.

I agree with this part, for sure - "and it’s not people that care about getting it right"

 

[branmuffin]

No, it’s possible to believe if you verify. That’s the great thing about NPR, any time I’ve had a question I’ve been able to contact the reporter directly and I’ve always gotten a quick reply. If you really believe that first caller was not Travis McMichael I’d invite you to contact Glynn County.

I think their information is flawed, like much in the initial investigation. How is it possible that TM was actually watching AA in the house when GM states in the incident report that he runs into the house and yells to TM that the trespasser is running down the street. Those two narratives are contradictory.

 

[LietKynes]

How did Travis know AA was in English's house? There is no line of site.

Good question !

1: The McMichael's made this up on the fly as they had to come up with some 'offense' to make the 911 call have some merit ?
Or, TM and his daddy are lying liars who... lie.

2:The homeowner saw AA on the security cam which we've only viewed a snippet of ; and called/texted the McMichael's and let them know they needed to take care of it.

3: The M's saw him out walking/jogging and wrongfully assumed AA was inside the house b/c AA was in close proximity to the English's house --aka on the sidewalk ?

4: The other neighbor who is listed on the police witness report (Diego Perez) saw AA and called the M's while he (Diego) was watching AA from across the street.
There's someone in the security footage who is watching AA from across the street.

 

[Niner]

Here's a picture of the 4th prosecutor on the case:

Joyette Holmes

 

[LietKynes]

Since the McMichael's have both been arrested and therefore both are sleuthable... has anyone taken a look at their social media ?
Particularly photos ?
I am wondering if either man has ever been associated with or photographed in any "supremacist" or kkk garb ?
Yes I have a reason for asking this.

It might explain why things turned out the way they did that day and why Ahmaud is dead.
See, it may have had nothing to do with any alleged trespassing or previous thefts (Re. the fishing gear which was not reported by Mr. English and may not have happened at all).

As far as the gun supposedly stolen out of McMichael Jr.'s truck (a gun that TM left in his truck for an hour on New Year's day and vanished during that very short window of time) ...do we know for a fact that it was stolen and not hidden by GM because it was used for other reasons and needed to be disposed of ?

With GM's photo of the D.A. with her hand on his shoulder all comfy and friendly looking... who knows what the McMichael's have hidden in their past; that both of the DA's were willing to cover up ?

 

[MsBetsy]

To me it sounds like they were concerned neighborhood residents confronting a person whom they knew to have a history of crime, including theft and carrying a hand gun, who repeatedly creeped their neighborhood. Jmo

The only theft they could have been aware of was the shoplifting charge two years ago and there is no evidence he was carrying a gun.

The unknown male in the nighttime videos was the person seen several times looking around inside the house, according to English. He does not look like Arbery.

There is no evidence that Arbery had been "creeping" around the neighborhood or was responsible for any burglaries in the area.

Imo

 

[Cappuccino]

The only theft they could have been aware of was the shoplifting charge two years ago and there is no evidence he was carrying a gun.

The unknown male in the nighttime videos was the person seen several times looking around inside the house, according to English. He does not look like Arbery.

There is no evidence that Arbery had been "creeping" around the neighborhood or was responsible for any burglaries in the area.

Imo

According to Perez, the neighbour who was keeping an eye on the house for English, Arbery was at the house on Feb 11th and was confronted by TM.

 

[Sillybilly]

Wonder what Bryan said about how he ended up on Holmes, videotaping- (soundlessly, even as he witnessed AA being shot).

<rsbm>

Yes ... at all times, the camera focusing on AA, not the McMichaels. No shocked expletives, no OMGs ... just silent, steady videotaping of one of the most traumatic things an individual can witness.

 

[Matic]

How did Travis know AA was in English's house? There is no line of site.

The MM property actually sits at the beginning of a slight bend in the road, which puts it's out further than the English property.

Whatever trees, vehicles, trash cans were in the line of site between the MM property and the English property are subjective. There's no way any of us could know that any of those objects were in his line of sight that day.

If TM was in his yard near the sidewalk, he could easily see the English property IMOO because his property sits further out than the English property.

My property sits in a similar fashion to the MM property, except on a slightly broader curve.
I can easily see the 10th house down the street.

I would easily be able to see someone in yard, however, I couldn't tell you if they were male, female,black or white. But I could easily tell that there was a person there.

To say that there is "no line of site" is simply unfounded atm. It's possible that there will be some media forthcoming that shows a view from the MM house to the English property.

MOO

 

[firebird]

The only theft they could have been aware of was the shoplifting charge two years ago and there is no evidence he was carrying a gun.

The unknown male in the nighttime videos was the person seen several times looking around inside the house, according to English. He does not look like Arbery.

There is no evidence that Arbery had been "creeping" around the neighborhood or was responsible for any burglaries in the area.

Imo

Why couldn't they have been aware of the gun charge? It was in the local news and Sr. was in LE at the time.

As far as the creeping, I'm just going on the parts of the OP I quoted. Perez says Abery was the guy who was on the construction site multiple times. jmo