GA - Former President Donald Trump indicted, 10 counts in 2020 election interference, violation of RICO Act, 14 Aug 2023 #2

[BeginnerSleuther]

Politicians in Georgia passed a law so that they can remove District Attorneys. Gov. Kemp agreed. That's the reality in Georgia. It is no different than in Florida where Gov. DeSantis has already removed several District Attorneys from their positions.

JMO

Nor is it any better. There's a reason we have THREE branches of government. If these politicians can't acknowledge, respect, and act within the parameters of that very simple 3rd-grade Civics class fact, then maybe they're the ones who should be removed from their jobs. Being a politician does NOT in any way give you the right to step on everyone else's rights. You don't get to pass illegal laws just because you can. This is the most crucial lessons this entire thing should have taught all of us.

Trump is toast. Thank goodness we still have law-abiding people in this country who will hold him accountable for being a criminal, no matter what his former job was.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I don't believe the "needs" of Donald Trump have motivated Georgia politicians to pass any laws. I believe it is their core belief system that motivates them. Georgia voters have elected them and that is their right. If Georgia politicians want to remove Fani Willis, they will. That's up to them.

If that's how laws worked, then civil rights would have never happened. Politicians don't get to appoint themselves king and queen and do whatever they want. That's not a thing.

I'll say JMO, but it's actually a fact stated in black and white in the Constitution.

 

[PommyMommy]

AUG 26, 2023

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/26/georgia-mark-meadows-trump-kenneth-chesebro/

[...]

Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows’s request to move his case to federal court will be the subject of an evidentiary hearing Monday. It’s possible that Meadows might need to testify for his request to succeed, and we learned Thursday that Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis has subpoenaed two central witnesses to participate: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) and his chief investigator, Frances Watson. (Politico’s Kyle Cheney said this makes Monday’s hearing something of a “mini trial.”)

Also Thursday, a judge set an Oct. 23 trial date for one defendant, Kenneth Chesebro. Chesebro has requested a speedy trial, which he is entitled to under Georgia law. Former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell has also requested a speedy trial, though her trial date hasn’t been set. While their prosecutions might be separated from the defendants who prefer to delay their proceedings (including Trump), an early trial for one or more defendants could get at central facets of the alleged conspiracy.

As for how significant Monday could be?

The big development would be Meadows taking the stand, which some legal experts doubt he’ll do. (Because of the risks involved, including cross-examination, defendants are often advised against testifying.) Regardless, the hearing could provide our first view of how some other key witnesses testify. And it could set the tone when it comes to whether other defendants have their cases “removed” from Fulton County.

[...]

 

[BritsKate]

I don't believe the "needs" of Donald Trump have motivated Georgia politicians to pass any laws. I believe it is their core belief system that motivates them. Georgia voters have elected them and that is their right. If Georgia politicians want to remove Fani Willis, they will. That's up to them.

RSBM

But wait a minute - didn't Fulton County voters also elect Fani Willis? Doesn't their vote matter? Were those voters told that the state legislature may effectively overrule their vote?

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Nor is it any better. There's a reason we have THREE branches of government. If these politicians can't acknowledge, respect, and act within the parameters of that very simple 3rd-grade Civics class fact, then maybe they're the ones who should be removed from their jobs. Being a politician does NOT in any way give you the right to step on everyone else's rights. You don't get to pass illegal laws just because you can. This is the most crucial lessons this entire thing should have taught all of us.

Trump is toast. Thank goodness we still have law-abiding people in this country who will hold him accountable for being a criminal, no matter what his former job was.

MOO.

The GA legislature created the Prosecuting Attorneys Qualification Commission and Kemp signed it into law months before Trump was indicted. The Judicial branch had nothing to do with it as far as I can tell.

Gov. Kemp Signs Legislation Creating Prosecuting Attorneys Qualifications Commission

Savannah, GA – Governor Brian P. Kemp, accompanied by First Lady Marty Kemp, members of the General Assembly, district attorneys and solicitors-general, and other local and state leaders, signed Senate Bill 92 today, establishing the Prosecuting Attorneys Qualifications Commission (PAQC). The...

gov.georgia.gov

JMO

 

[BritsKate]

The GA legislature created the Prosecuting Attorneys Qualification Commission and Kemp signed it into law months before Trump was indicted. The Judicial branch had nothing to do with it as far as I can tell.

Gov. Kemp Signs Legislation Creating Prosecuting Attorneys Qualifications Commission

Savannah, GA – Governor Brian P. Kemp, accompanied by First Lady Marty Kemp, members of the General Assembly, district attorneys and solicitors-general, and other local and state leaders, signed Senate Bill 92 today, establishing the Prosecuting Attorneys Qualifications Commission (PAQC). The...

gov.georgia.gov

JMO

But Trump was already under investigation and a special grand jury was already empaneled so I think timing's a moot point. Everyone knew an indictment was a distinct possibilty when the law was passed - even that it could be a RICO indictment iirc. JMO

 

[MyBelle]

But Trump was already under investigation and a special grand jury was already empaneled so I think timing's a moot point. Everyone knew an indictment was a distinct possibilty when the law was passed - even that it could be a RICO indictment iirc. JMO

I'm confident that DA Willis is well aware of the Prosecuting Attorneys Qualification Commission law signed by Gov. Kemp. The law has absolutely nothing to do with Trump.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

RSBM

But wait a minute - didn't Fulton County voters also elect Fani Willis? Doesn't their vote matter? Were those voters told that the state legislature may effectively overrule their vote?

JMO

Yes, whatever happened to letting the voters decide at the ballot box?

 

[Kudzuu]

The article is from May, long before the current indictment.

Ugh. So much to keep straight.
Thanks for the correction.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Well - I still have a few that have not surrendered - I have bold them in scarlet. And some more notes added.

Friday, August 25th:
*Surrender Date (for rest) (by 12pm ET) – State of Georgia vs. Donald John Trump (77) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count (1) of violation of the Georgia RICO (Racketeer Influenced & corrupt organizations) Act (there are 161 acts listed), 4 counts (5, 9, 28, 38) of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer, 2 counts (13 & 19) conspiracy to commit false statements & writings, 1 count (15) conspiracy to commit filing false documents, 2 counts (11 & 17) conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree, 1 count (27) filing false documents & 2 counts (29 & 39) of false statements & writings. (total 13 counts). Bond $200K. Surrendered 8/24/23.
vs. Rudolph William Louis Giuliani (79) (Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 3 counts (2, 6 & 9) of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer. 2 counts (3 & 7) false statements & writings, 2 counts (11 & 17) conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree, 2 counts (13 & 19) conspiracy to commit false statements & writings, 1 count (15) conspiracy to commit filing false documents, 1 count (23) solicitation of violation of oath by public officer & 1 count (24) false statements & writings. (total 13 counts). Bond $150K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. John Charles Eastman (63) (White House Chief of Staff) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (2), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19), 1 count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15) & 1 count of filing false documents. (total 9 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered on 8/22/23. Attorney Harvey Silverglate.
vs. Mark Randall Meadows (64) (Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1) & 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (28). (total 2 counts). Surety Bond at $100K. Surrendered 8/24/23.
vs. Kenneth John Chesebro (61) (Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19) & 1 count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15). (total 7 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Jeffrey Bossert Clark (56) (pro-Trump lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1) & 1 count criminal attempt to commit false statements & writings (22). (total 2 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Jenna Lynn Ellis (39) (top Justice Dept. official) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1) & 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (2). (total 2 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Ray Stallings Smith III (60) (Coffee County election supervisor) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (2 & 6), 3 counts of false statements & writings (4, 13 & 19), 1 count conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 1 count conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15), 1 count criminal attempt to commit false statements & writings (23) & 1 count of false statements & writings (25). (total 12 counts). Bond $50K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Robert David Cheeley (Trump campaign lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19), 1 count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents (15), 1 count of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer (23), 1 count false statements & writings (26) & 1 count of perjury (41). (total 10 counts). Bond $50K.
vs. Michael A. Roman (51) (lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer (9), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit forgery in the 1st degree (11 & 17), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit false statements & writings (13 & 19) & 1 count of filing false documents (15). (total 7 counts). Bond #50K.
vs. David James Shafer (58) (Trump campaign official) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of impersonating a public office (8), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (10), 2 counts of false statements & writings (12 & 40), 2 counts of criminal attempt to commit false documents (14 & 18), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (16) & (total 8 counts). Bond $75K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Shawn Micah Tresher Still (50 or 51) (Georgia GOP chair & fake elector) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of impersonating a public office (8), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (10), 1 count of false statements & writings (12), 2 counts of criminal attempt to commit false documents (14 & 18), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (16). (total 7 counts). Bond $10K.
vs. Stephen Cliffgard Lee (71) (Fake GOP elector) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Ac6t (1), 2 counts criminal attempt to commit influencing witnesses (20 & 21), 1 count of criminal attempt to commit false statements & writings (22), 2 counts solicitation of violation of oath by public officer(23 & 28), 4 counts of False statements & writings (24, 25, 26 & 29), 1 count of filing false documents (27), 1 count conspiracy to commit solicitation of false statements & writings (30), 1 count of influencing witnesses (31) & 1 count of conspiracy to commit election fraud (32). (total 14 counts). Bond $75K.
vs. Harrison William Prescott Floyd aka Willie Lewis Floyd III (36?) (pastor tied to intimidation of election workers) indicted & charged (8/14/23 with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit solicitation of false statements & writings (30) & 1 count of influencing witnesses (31). (total 3 counts). Surrendered 8/24/23 & will remain in jail without bond.
vs. Trevian C. Kutti (53) (leader of Black Voices for Trump) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of conspiracy to commit solicitation of false statements & writings (30) & 1 count of influencing witnesses (31). (total 3 counts). Bond $75K.
vs. Sidney Katherine Powell (68) (publicist tied to intimidation of election workers) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts of conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State. (total 7 counts). Bond $100K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Cathleen Alston Latham (Trump campaign lawyer) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 1 count of impersonating a public officer (8), 1 count of forgery in the 1st degree (10), 1 count of false statements & writings (12), 1 count of criminal attempt to commit false documents (14), 2 counts conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State (37). (total 11 counts). Bond $75K. Surrendered on 8/23/23.
vs. Scott Graham Hall (fake GOP elector tied to Coffee County breach) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State (37). (total 7 counts). Bond $10K. Surrendered on 8/22/23 & posted Surety bond ($4K for RICO & $1K for 6 other charges). Bond $10K. Surrendered 8/23/23.
vs. Misty Hampton aka Emily Misty Hayes (tied to Coffee County election system breach) indicted & charged (8/14/23) with 1 count of violation of the Georgia RICO Act (1), 2 counts conspiracy to commit election fraud (32 & 33), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer theft (34), 1 count conspiracy to commit computer trespass (35), 1 count of conspiracy to commit computer invasion of privacy (36) & 1 count conspiracy to defraud the State (37). (total 7 counts). Signature Bond @ $10K. Fulton County, Georgia Criminal Election Influence Investigation. Prosecuting Office: Fulton County, GA District Attorney’ Fani Willis’ Office. Case #23SC188947
Officials with the Fulton county court handed the indictment to judge Robert McBurney.
Proposed trial date on 3/4/24. Judge Scott McAfee presiding. Though McAfee was assigned the case soon after the indictment was handed up on Monday evening, it could be transferred to a different judge later in the process.
8/17/23 Update from CNN: Fulton County’s sweeping indictment against Trump & 18 additional co-defendants also includes details involving 30 “unindicted co-conspirators” – people who Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis alleges took part in the criminal conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. Some of the co-conspirators are key Trump advisers, like Boris Epshteyn, while several others are likely Georgia officials who were the state’s fake electors for Trump. One of the unindicted co-conspirators who appears multiple times in the indictment is Georgia’s Republican Lt. Gov. Burt Jones. Willis was barred by a state judge from investigating Jones after she hosted a fundraiser last year for Jones’ Democratic opponent when he was a state senator running for lieutenant governor. The 98-page document alleges the 30 unindicted co-conspirators, who are not named, “constituted a criminal organization whose members & associates engaged in various related criminal activities” across the 41 charges laid out in the indictment. Unindicted co-conspirators per CNN: Co-conspirator 1 is Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, Co-conspirator 3 is Boris Epshteyn, Trump political adviser, Co-conspirator 4 is Robert Sinners, Trump’s Georgia election day operations lead, Co-conspirator 5 is Bernie Kerik, former NYPD Commissioner, Co-conspirator 6 is GOP operative Phil Waldron, Co-conspirator 8 is Georgia Lt. Gov. Burt Jones, Co-conspirators 9 is former Georgia Republican Party Treasurer Joseph Brannan, Co-conspirators 10 & 11 are Georgia GOP officials Carolyn Fisher & Vikki Consiglio, Co-conspirators 2 & 8-19 are the fake electors, Co-conspirator 20 is unclear-The indictment says Individual 20 was part of a meeting at the White House on December 18, 2020, with Trump, Giuliani & Powell, known to have discussed the possibility of seizing voting machines. Co-conspirators 21 & 22 are Conan Hayes & Todd Sanders, Co-conspirators 23-30 are related to Coffee County voting machines, Co-conspirator 25 & 29 are a Cyber Ninjas CEO Doug Logan & analyst Jeffrey Lenberg, Co-conspirator 28 is Jim Penrose.
Case & court info from 2/10/21 thru 8/13/23 reference post #64 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...ation-of-rico-act-14-aug-2023-2.688728/page-4
8/24/23: Page 15 of GA indictment says there are 30 un-indicted co-conspirators. “I am giving the defendants the opportunity to voluntarily surrender no later than Friday 8/25/23 at noon” says Fulton County DA Fani Willis. She will be proposing a trial date within the next six months. Former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law. On Wednesday, a federal judge scheduled an 8/28/23 hearing for Meadows & others to present evidence about whether to move the case. The judge noted the state court case can proceed at this time. In the filing, Judge Jones said the notice of removal & the attached indictment “do not clearly indicate that summary remand of this matter is required,” meaning there is no need for a higher court to send the case back to a lower court for further action. Judge Jones also ordered Meadows to give Fulton County DA Fani Willis a copy of the notice of removal & the order for the hearing. Once Willis receives the documents, she is allowed to submit a written response by Aug. 23. Fulton County DA Fani Willis has asked a judge to set a trial date of 3/4/24 for Trump & his 18 co-defendants. Willis’ proposed schedule also requests arraignments for Trump & his allies the week of 9/5/23. She hasn’t changed her Aug. 25 deadline for them to surrender at the Fulton County Jail.
8/23/23 Update: Chesebro filed "Demand for Speedy Trial". Filed by Scott R. Grubman. 8/24/23 Update: Drew Findling, the lawyer who has led Trump’s defense in Georgia, is being replaced by Steven Sadow, an Atlanta-based attorney. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has been told he will be subpoenaed to provide testimony at a court hearing in which former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows will argue the Fulton County case against him should be removed to federal court.
8/24/23 Update: State's Motion to Specially set Trial filed. Fulton County DA Fani Willis asks court to commence trial for all 19 defendants on 10/23/23. The move follows a demand for a speedy trial by one of Trump's co-defendants, Kenneth Chesebro. Under Georgia law, defendants who make a speedy trial demand in Fulton County are supposed to go to trial within roughly 4 months -- if not, that could be grounds for dismissal.
8/24/23 Update: Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows surrendered to authorities at the Fulton County, Ga., jail Thursday afternoon, according to jail records. Meadows agreed to a $100,000 bond earlier Thursday — the same amount as several Trump lawyers charged in the case. He paid the bond via a surety bond, or a loan to post bail.
8/24/23 Update: Trump also alerts the Court that he will be filing a timely motion to sever his case from that of co-defendant Chesebro, who has filed a demand for speedy trial, or any other co-defendant who files such a demand. Trump files a motion opposing Fani Willis’ request for an October 23 trial date for all 19 co-defendants listed in the indictment. 8:44 p.m. The Fulton County Sheriff’s Office released this statement to the media: “This evening, defendant Trump surrendered to authorities at the Fulton County Jail (GA.). Trump’s bond order & stipulations are the result of negotiations between the DA’s office & his attorneys. It is expected that the remaining 7 defendants, named in the Georgia election interference indictment, will surrender by Friday, August 25, 2023.
8/24/23 Update: Fulton County deputies confirm Harrison Floyd surrendered on Thursday but will remain in jail without bond.
8/24/23 Update: Willis filed a motion in Fulton County Superior Court to move all 19 co-defendants’ trial to Oct. 23. Late Thursday afternoon, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee approved a motion from co-defendant Kenneth Chesebro for a speedy trial, agreeing to an Oct. 23 trial date. Earlier in the day, Willis also filed a motion in the same court, requesting an Oct. 23 trial date for all 19 co-defendants, including the nation’s 45th president himself. Newly hired Trump attorney Steven Sadow immediately filed an objection. 8/25/23 Update: Mark Meadows is seeking to move the Fulton County, Georgia, prosecution against him to federal court so that he can try to get the case dismissed under federal law. On Wednesday, a federal judge scheduled an 8/28/23 hearing for Meadows & others to present evidence about whether to move the case.

Federal Judge Orders 2nd Hearing Removing Georgia Election Case

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Jeffrey Clark, former Justice Department (DOJ) official, filed a notice of removal on Aug. 21, requesting that his case be moved from state to federal court, where he is expecting the charges to be dismissed. A request to expedite the process before the arrest deadline was denied by Judge Steve Jones of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, who will oversee the hearings related to removals.

The hearing will take place Monday, Sept. 18, and the district attorney’s office has until Sept. 5 to file a response.

 

[waldojabba]

He won't be convicted in Georgia or anywhere else if the Newsweek poll I linked upthread is correct and 59% of voters think these indictments are "an interference in the 2024 presidential election."

JMO

You are correct on the face of it. It would seem if some of these people, from this isolated poll, had a say today he may not get convicted. But here’s the thing @MyBelle
None of these people have had access to all the evidence and testimony that will be presented at a trial and none of them have taken an oath of impartiality to sit in a jury box. Same goes for the many other polls presented by other posters up thread that indicate people think he is guilty.
I think in your seeming zest to exonerate the ex president that you are perhaps putting the cart before the horse.
Also ime/imo most people love to give their opinion in polls even if they have no idea of the actual facts. Just like life. And polls can be easily skewed so I rarely take them in to account at all. Just me. All my opinion

 

[Vern]

The ONLY poll that will count is that Roll Call of the Jurors for "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" ... but we all know that already.

Some people (Politicians) govern by poll however the Judicial System does not work by poll else Casey Anthony would be on death row.

 

[Vern]

Willis does not meet the criteria for removal that is laid out in the Prosecuting Attorneys Qualification Commission that was passed into Law in Georgia and signed by Kemp. Here's a link to the PSQC statute, including removal criteria, which was signed into Law by Kemp for those who need a refresher:

Section 15-18-32 - [Prosecuting Attorneys Qualifications Commission], Ga. Code § 15-18-32 | Casetext Search + Citator​

Read Section 15-18-32 - [Prosecuting Attorneys Qualifications Commission], Ga. Code § 15-18-32, see flags on bad law, and search Casetext’s comprehensive legal database
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(g) The commission, ...

When a commission member receives information relating to the conduct of a district attorney or solicitor-general, such member shall provide such information to the commission's director for appropriate action.

Criteria right here right from Georgia's Legal page:

(h) The following shall be grounds for discipline of a district attorney or solicitor-general or for his or her removal or involuntary retirement from office:

(1) Mental or physical incapacity interfering with the performance of his or her duties which is, or is likely to become, permanent;
(2) Willful misconduct in office;
(3) With respect to district attorneys, willful and persistent failure to carry out duties pursuant to Code Section 15-18-6;
(4) With respect to solicitors-general, willful and persistent failure to carry out duties pursuant to Code Section 15-18-66;
(5) Conviction of a crime involving moral turpitude;
(6) Conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice which brings the office into disrepute; or
(7) Knowingly authorizing or permitting an assistant district attorney or assistant solicitor-general to commit any act constituting grounds for removal under paragraphs (1) through (6) of this subsection.
Click to expand...

Also an important tidbit also in the Act:

(n) The commission shall commence by July 1, 2023, and the rules and regulations promulgated by such commission shall be established no later than October 1, 2023. No complaint shall be filed before October 1, 2023. The commission shall not receive complaint submissions regarding misconduct in office that occurred prior to the effective date of this Code section, unless such alleged misconduct is related to a continuous pattern of conduct that continues beyond that date.

Added by 2023 Ga. Laws 349,§ 2, eff. 5/5/2023.

Her rebuke by the Judge predates the 5 May 23 effective date as it occured in 2022.

 

[Vern]

I don't have too much faith in the polls ....


The Wall Street Journal reported that Cohen had paid the data firm RedFinch Solutions to manipulate two public opinion polls in favor of Trump before the 2016 presidential campaign.

Cohen also commissioned Gauger to do the same for a 2014 CNBC online poll identifying the country’s top business leaders

Ex-Trump lawyer: rigging polls was at the direction of' Trump

Nor do I ... I've already linked to numerous other polls that hold the opposite view - including one from the other day.

Polls don't mean squat. They are often manipulated by types of questions, how the question is asked etc.

I once got called by a liberal pollster .... about 5 questions in I suddenly got disconnected; guess they didn't like my answers.

As I've said, only the poll of the jury will count when it comes down to this particular thread's topic Indictment.

 

[MyBelle]

You are correct on the face of it. It would seem if some of these people, from this isolated poll, had a say today he may not get convicted. But here’s the thing @MyBelle
None of these people have had access to all the evidence and testimony that will be presented at a trial and none of them have taken an oath of impartiality to sit in a jury box. Same goes for the many other polls presented by other posters up thread that indicate people think he is guilty.
I think in your seeming zest to exonerate the ex president that you are perhaps putting the cart before the horse.
Also ime/imo most people love to give their opinion in polls even if they have no idea of the actual facts. Just like life. And polls can be easily skewed so I rarely take them in to account at all. Just me. All my opinion

I'm not trying to exonerate anyone. If a juror has an opinion that this RICO indictment is politically motivated election interference by the Biden administration, I think DA Willis is going to have as much trouble seating a jury as she's having in the jury selection for the RICO trial of the Rap Artists. No juror wants to spend months on jury duty. Especially when the "evidence" consists of words, texts and tweets. That's just reality in this land of Rights.

btw, Georgia doesn't require jurors to take an oath of impartiality.
JMO

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Criminal Juries
Do you swear or affirm that you shall well and truly try the issue formed upon this accusation between the State of Georgia and ________________ (name of accused), who is charged with _______________ (here state the crime(s) or offense(s)), and a true verdict give according to the evidence. Please say I will if you so swear or affirm. O.C.G.A. § 15-12-139.

 

[BritsKate]

Yesterday I couldn't figure out why Sidney Powell filed for a speedy trial (rumor has it Eastman will too) but Lisa Rubin surmises that the lawyers are rushing ahead to be tried because they know Trump is going to invoke an advice of counsel defense. If they were tried alongside Trump and he invoked that defense, all of their advice (via email, text, phone, print, etc.) would be fair game for both Trump's legal team and the district attorney. Trump being tried later allows them to attempt to hide behind attorney client privilege for their own trials.

Though I'd bank on Willis attempting to argue the crime fraud exception to try to pierce privilege.

In order to invoke an advice of counsel defense for himself, Trump will have to waive privilege - making all their advice available to the prosceutor too - so now it makes sense why the lawyers would want to go first and fast.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Trump Warns of 'Dark Days' in Overnight Social Posts: 'America Is Becoming a Banana Republic'

But no, he's not at all bothered by that mugshot.

www.thewrap.com

Trump’s late-night rant included quotes from supporters, particularly on conservative media. This included referencing the Hoover Institution’s Victor Davis Hanson, who told Newsmax that he believes Georgia’s Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis knows her case against Trump won’t stand up if appealed.

Trump posted, “‘It’s very ironic because if Prosecutor Willis is really concerned about Election denialism and using the levers of government and public influence to have some kind of conspiracy to overturn a genuine ballot, the she would have gone after Stacey Abrams, who’s in her own state.’ Victor Davis Hanson, Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution.”

He later jumped back to Willis and Hanson and shared, “‘Willis knows the case is weak, only wants to hurt Trump.’ Victor Davis Hanson on The Balance, Eric Bolling.”

Important to point out the difference in facts here:

- Abrams ended her challenge of the results and acknowledged Kemp’s certification as the victor in the 2018 election;
- In 2002, when running for office again, Abrams stated, “I did not win,” when she was asked about the 2018 results;
. Abrams did not call (recorded at that!!) the Georgia SOS and pressure officials to "find her the (non-existent) votes required to beat her competetitor";
- Abrahams did not conspire with others to illegally breach polling machines and steal Georgian Citizens personal and voting information;
- Abrams did not conspire with anyone, nor did she act herself, to file false and forged documents stating that she had won; and
- All that is why Abrams (nor Gore, nor Clinton et al) found themselves indicted for crimes against "We the People".

And that is why the whataboutism of Abrams is yet more red herrings and floppy fish in the sea of repeated LIES and misinformation that 45 puts out there.

One fish is not like the other.

Edit to Add: Banana Republics are those where politicians are not held accountable for their illegal activities. I don't put the USofA in that bracket because "no man is above the law" as is currently being played out in the Justice System.

 

[waldojabba]

I'm not trying to exonerate anyone. If a juror has an opinion that this RICO indictment is politically motivated election interference by the Biden administration, I think DA Willis is going to have as much trouble seating a jury as she's having in the jury selection for the RICO trial of the Rap Artists. No juror wants to spend months on jury duty. Especially when the "evidence" consists of words, texts and tweets. That's just reality in this land of Rights.

btw, Georgia doesn't require jurors to take an oath of impartiality.
JMO

https://view.officeapps.live.com/op/view.aspx?src=https%3A%2F%2Fgeorgiacourts.gov%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F08%2FOaths.doc%23%3A~%3Atext%3DYou%2520shall%2520well%2520and%2520truly%2520try%2520each%2520cause%2520submitted%2520to%2Cparty%252C%2520provided%2520you%2520are%2520not&wdOrigin=BROWSELINK

Criminal Juries
Do you swear or affirm that you shall well and truly try the issue formed upon this accusation between the State of Georgia and ________________ (name of accused), who is charged with _______________ (here state the crime(s) or offense(s)), and a true verdict give according to the evidence. Please say I will if you so swear or affirm. O.C.G.A. § 15-12-139.

Imo I’d say the language you post accomplishes much the same thing - “ a true verdict give according to the evidence “ - and I emphasize “according to the evidence” not
according to opinion. Just my opinion.

 

[Springrain]

JMO I don't understand how a Newsweek poll of a random selection of Democratic voters has any reflection whatsoever on what the actual outcome of this trial will be. Especially since the people being polled don't have access to evidence that will be available at trial. Just random people by all accounts.

 

[Lilibet]

What are the acronyms BBO and DBM? And RSBBM?

I didn’t see your question answered yet. Here’s a list. I think you mean BBM, which means “bolded by me.”

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