GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

[Edwards20]

According to Fox 5 there were teeth and "other remains" as well.

http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/59555367-story?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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[Edwards20]

Tentatively identified. No trauma or foul play found:

http://m.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/skeleton-found-by-downtown-connector-tentatively-i/npqBk/

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[Backwoods]

Tentatively identified. No trauma or foul play found:

http://m.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/skeleton-found-by-downtown-connector-tentatively-i/npqBk/

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Wonder how they made a tentative identification strong enough that they are talking to the tentatively-identified deceased's out-of-state family...? Some type of ID on or near the remains?

 

[Backwoods]

While on the topic on Russell's still-missing skull -- be aware that there is major rain and flooding going on in Putnam County. Maybe, maybe ....that might somehow lead to a discovery.

Middle Georgia counties expected to remain under flood threat Wednesday

...In Putnam County, Sheriff Howard Sills was among those keeping close tabs on the weather. His county took a hit early Tuesday.

Large sections of Rose Creek Road off Gray Highway south of Eatonton and Little River Trail off Twin Bridges near Lake Sinclair were washed away early Tuesday by heavy overnight rains....

...He said the county extension agent estimated that five inches was dumped on Putnam County by Tuesday morning.

"There's a big difference between one inch and five inches of rain," said Sills, who noted that it was raining when he went to bed Monday night and was still raining when he awoke to the mayhem at 4 a.m. Tuesday.

more at: http://www.macon.com/news/local/community/houston-peach/article51044020.html

Flooding washes out two Putnam County roads

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/20...hes-out-two-two-putnam-county-roads/77761984/

 

[Edwards20]

Wonder how they made a tentative identification strong enough that they are talking to the tentatively-identified deceased's out-of-state family...? Some type of ID on or near the remains?

I wondered that myself ...

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[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by Backwoods View Post
Wonder how they made a tentative identification strong enough that they are talking to the tentatively-identified deceased's out-of-state family...? Some type of ID on or near the remains?

I wondered that myself ...

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It would be reasonable to conclude that some form of ID; drivers license, etc., was located near the remains, imo. Ironically, recently there was a two year missing person search in Newton County, GA. A man walking his dog had vanished 09/2013 . The billfold and scattered identification of the missing person was located first by the SAR ATV team in a very dense briar thicket on October 24/2015. Scattered remains were then located nearby. The family was notified that day of the discovery and tentative identification. It was six days later before confirmation was made by the GBI.

http://www.covnews.com/section/1/article/200029/ 04/25/2015
The Rockdale Citizen
Oct 30, 2015 - The remains were believed to be that of Weaver due to the personal effects located near the remains, such as personal identifying documents.

www.rockdalecitizen.com/...remains-found...bobby...
GBI confirms remains found Saturday are those of Bobby ...

 

[Foxfire]

Quote by Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills; "tell me something the GBI can do that I can't do"..

"We have a witness who saw a man in the yard on the day we believe the murder occurred," Sills said. The only way forensic evidence can make a difference is if it is matched to a suspect...and so far, there is only one.

"We have a witness who saw a man in the yard on the day we believe the murder occurred," Sills said.
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/26/ga-murder-mysteries-the-dermond-case/74614262/
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Imo, the most significant lead in the Dermond's murder investigation is the witnessing of the unidentified man in their yard... A forensic artist's sketch may not reveal the exact facial features of the possible suspect witnessed, but could reveal other identifying characteristics, imo.
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http://news.wabe.org/post/gbi-forensic-art-passed-down-georgia-family
GBI Forensic Art Passed Down In Georgia Family
By GABBIE WATTS • DEC 15, 2015

Kelly Lawson's office at the GBI is covered with sketches.

“If we got video footage of the suspect that’s perfect,” GBI Director Keenan explained. “We don’t have to go to the composite drawing. But that’s not the case for most of the crimes.”

According to Keenan, composite rendering software is always the second choice.

“I think the public and law enforcement prefer a portrait of the perpetrator as opposed to what looks like computer drawing,” Keenan said.

Even if the GBI used this software, they would still need someone to talk with the victim for information.

And that’s another important part of the job of a forensic artist: to be compassionate and empathetic with people. Police departments have yet to develop a technology that can do that.
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[atthelake]

Foxfire they are two fabulous fabulous artists.

Happy Holidays to everybody who visits this thread

 

[Deleted member 162919]

Sills says he has DNA and fibers and so on and even says he has one suspect. Does sills actually believe that we would believe this is the work of a 1st time criminal? The person or persons didn't lead a law abiding life and then one day just decide to murder 2 people.

A neighbor saw a person on the front yard the day they believe the murder happened yet still no description of any type has been given. Sills once stated the house was so clean you could eat off the floor. Certainly not the work of a 1st time criminal and lets say the murderers did clean up they couldn't possibly get all of that blood. Blocks to weigh a victim down which apparently weren't missing from the house since they went to local landscape supply stores in the area to see who bought the blocks and where they might have been sold. Please Sills tell us something give us clues not lies. Watch sills in the interviews and watch him constantly fidget like a caged animal who wants to blurt out who he thinks is responsible. It's a family member and he knows it. The family member might have been there at the time but did not doe the killing or beating. Sills might just be waiting to connect person A to person B since the killer was probably hired to kill his or her parents . My guess is the description of the person on the lawn given by the neighbor probably fit the description of a dermnd family member. Sorry but this needs to be solved fast. it's coming up on 2 years and no leads yet?

Quote by Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills; "tell me something the GBI can do that I can't do"..

"We have a witness who saw a man in the yard on the day we believe the murder occurred," Sills said. The only way forensic evidence can make a difference is if it is matched to a suspect...and so far, there is only one.

"We have a witness who saw a man in the yard on the day we believe the murder occurred," Sills said.
http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/26/ga-murder-mysteries-the-dermond-case/74614262/
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Imo, the most significant lead in the Dermond's murder investigation is the witnessing of the unidentified man in their yard... A forensic artist's sketch may not reveal the exact facial features of the possible suspect witnessed, but could reveal other identifying characteristics, imo.
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http://news.wabe.org/post/gbi-forensic-art-passed-down-georgia-family
GBI Forensic Art Passed Down In Georgia Family
By GABBIE WATTS &#8226; DEC 15, 2015

Kelly Lawson's office at the GBI is covered with sketches.

&#8220;If we got video footage of the suspect that&#8217;s perfect,&#8221; GBI Director Keenan explained. &#8220;We don&#8217;t have to go to the composite drawing. But that&#8217;s not the case for most of the crimes.&#8221;

According to Keenan, composite rendering software is always the second choice.

&#8220;I think the public and law enforcement prefer a portrait of the perpetrator as opposed to what looks like computer drawing,&#8221; Keenan said.

Even if the GBI used this software, they would still need someone to talk with the victim for information.

And that&#8217;s another important part of the job of a forensic artist: to be compassionate and empathetic with people. Police departments have yet to develop a technology that can do that.
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[watcher9]

So far I just don't believe a family member is involved.

 

[Foxfire]

Sills says he has DNA and fibers and so on and even says he has one suspect. Does sills actually believe that we would believe this is the work of a 1st time criminal? The person or persons didn't lead a law abiding life and then one day just decide to murder 2 people.

A neighbor saw a person on the front yard the day they believe the murder happened yet still no description of any type has been given. Sills once stated the house was so clean you could eat off the floor. Certainly not the work of a 1st time criminal and lets say the murderers did clean up they couldn't possibly get all of that blood. Blocks to weigh a victim down which apparently weren't missing from the house since they went to local landscape supply stores in the area to see who bought the blocks and where they might have been sold. Please Sills tell us something give us clues not lies. Watch sills in the interviews and watch him constantly fidget like a caged animal who wants to blurt out who he thinks is responsible. It's a family member and he knows it. The family member might have been there at the time but did not doe the killing or beating. Sills might just be waiting to connect person A to person B since the killer was probably hired to kill his or her parents . My guess is the description of the person on the lawn given by the neighbor probably fit the description of a dermnd family member. Sorry but this needs to be solved fast. it's coming up on 2 years and no leads yet?

So far I just don't believe a family member is involved.

<BBM for Focus>

hockeyguy, I agree that this is not likely the work of 1st time criminal/s. Whether they have a record or not, or whether they are well trained is another story. A clear motive has not been established.
IF Sheriff Sills actually does have DNA, then he knows the ethnicity of the poi/suspect. SS's actions and swift response immediately after the Dermond murders, when the murders occurred south of Putnam county, speaks volumes and likely points to an AA being spotted in the yard by the witness, imo.

Watcher9, I agree and don't believe a family member is involved in the Dermond murders.. Sheriff Sills, would have wrapped this investigation up long ago if that were the case, imo..

Hoping for a break in this investigation soon, yet not very optimistic that there will be unless more info is released to the public by Sheriff Sills. Past time for another update presser by SS for awareness, unless they just want this to go away.. You can't connect the dots if you don't collect the dots..
'Reality is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of ugly facts'! Quote by Dr Maurice Godwin Geographical Profiler..

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Sills says he has DNA and fibers and so on and even says he has one suspect. Does sills actually believe that we would believe this is the work of a 1st time criminal? The person or persons didn't lead a law abiding life and then one day just decide to murder 2 people.

A neighbor saw a person on the front yard the day they believe the murder happened yet still no description of any type has been given. Sills once stated the house was so clean you could eat off the floor. Certainly not the work of a 1st time criminal and lets say the murderers did clean up they couldn't possibly get all of that blood. Blocks to weigh a victim down which apparently weren't missing from the house since they went to local landscape supply stores in the area to see who bought the blocks and where they might have been sold. Please Sills tell us something give us clues not lies. Watch sills in the interviews and watch him constantly fidget like a caged animal who wants to blurt out who he thinks is responsible. It's a family member and he knows it. The family member might have been there at the time but did not doe the killing or beating. Sills might just be waiting to connect person A to person B since the killer was probably hired to kill his or her parents . My guess is the description of the person on the lawn given by the neighbor probably fit the description of a dermnd family member. Sorry but this needs to be solved fast. it's coming up on 2 years and no leads yet?

suspicious myself, not they the family DID IT, but HIRED it possibly.......was watching a crime show the other day, which I have not done in a while, the details reminded me of the D's case , a gruesome murder, a family member had done it, most notably was "no forced entry"

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

<BBM for Focus>

hockeyguy, I agree that this is not likely the work of 1st time criminal/s. Whether they have a record or not, or whether they are well trained is another story. A clear motive has not been established.
IF Sheriff Sills actually does have DNA, then he knows the ethnicity of the poi/suspect. SS's actions and swift response immediately after the Dermond murders, when the murders occurred south of Putnam county, speaks volumes and likely points to an AA being spotted in the yard by the witness, imo.

Watcher9, I agree and don't believe a family member is involved in the Dermond murders.. Sheriff Sills, would have wrapped this investigation up long ago if that were the case, imo..

Hoping for a break in this investigation soon, yet not very optimistic that there will be unless more info is released to the public by Sheriff Sills. Past time for another update presser by SS for awareness, unless they just want this to go away.. You can't connect the dots if you don't collect the dots..
'Reality is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of ugly facts'! Quote by Dr Maurice Godwin Geographical Profiler..

There is always a "first time" murder.........some are messy, some are not, but luminol and other methods detect the "mess" that was cleaned up.........No motive known for sure I think but I am not sure they would know it was the family necessarily, as the evidence without the dna or fibers, etc, points to a psychotic killer more than family member due to the nature of the crime, IMO.........and the family's dna and fibers would already be in the house but in this case, it's unsure if anyone was murdered inside, IIRC, so no hair and fibers or dna of the criminal if that's the case, well maybe garage atleast

 

[Foxfire]

Crickets chirping...

[video=youtube;e2KVj2vVxUs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2KVj2vVxUs[/video]

 

[Deleted member 162919]

I have a feeling he has a suspect in mind but he needs for that suspect to make another mistake to solidify the conviction. Sills not giving much info has to mean he's stalking his suspect and waiting for him to slip. Giving very little info but careful to leak he has dna, fibers etc then saying nothing for a year seems like he's playing poker with the suspect. My gut instinct says it's someone very close to the family but maybe i'm wrong and this was a well executed double murder which seems to be unsolvable . I just doubt a stranger would murder 2 people in their 80s without robbing their house. Even if they tried to get money out of them and failed being robbers they would have stolen something of value while they are there.

Another thing that I keep wondering about. Why was the FBI called in at the beginning? Is this typical ? I mean usually when a child goes missing I can see the FBI getting involved but these are elderly people. Maybe Sills ran some DNA he found and that alerted them? Or maybe 1 of the Dermonds were a target from someone in their past from new York or new Jersey. far fetched I know but the fbi involvement seems odd to me .

 

[Backwoods]

I have a feeling he has a suspect in mind but he needs for that suspect to make another mistake to solidify the conviction. Sills not giving much info has to mean he's stalking his suspect and waiting for him to slip. Giving very little info but careful to leak he has dna, fibers etc then saying nothing for a year seems like he's playing poker with the suspect. My gut instinct says it's someone very close to the family but maybe i'm wrong and this was a well executed double murder which seems to be unsolvable . I just doubt a stranger would murder 2 people in their 80s without robbing their house. Even if they tried to get money out of them and failed being robbers they would have stolen something of value while they are there.

Another thing that I keep wondering about. Why was the FBI called in at the beginning? Is this typical ? I mean usually when a child goes missing I can see the FBI getting involved but these are elderly people. Maybe Sills ran some DNA he found and that alerted them? Or maybe 1 of the Dermonds were a target from someone in their past from new York or new Jersey. far fetched I know but the fbi involvement seems odd to me .

I'm not sure of just why/how the FBI became involved, though there may well be some explanations in the early MSM links that I have just forgotten...but I bet one reason may have been that it appeared, at first, that Shirley might have been abducted and was being held hostage. If I remember correctly, there were billboards put up with the Dermonds' picture...? That sounds to me that there was at least a glimmer of hope that she was still alive and might be sighted.

 

[Bootsctr]

I cannot believe Sills let the information out about the cinder blocks. Maybe the fibers he found were fibers from boat rope that everyone on the lake might have in their possession ? or boat carpet ? Doesn't help us narrow down the field of suspects one iota. Sills says to his knowledge nothing was stolen. Doesn't mean Mr. Dermond didn't have $20,000 in cash stashed that they took that no one knew about. I think Mr. and Mrs. Dermond knew their killer/s or they were duped by someone in disguise as a police officer or security guard. Sills says a clean crime scene, but how long did the killer/s have to clean up? It's just sad it is taking so long to catch whomever did this awful deed!

 

[Backwoods]

I cannot believe Sills let the information out about the cinder blocks. Maybe the fibers he found were fibers from boat rope that everyone on the lake might have in their possession ? or boat carpet ? Doesn't help us narrow down the field of suspects one iota. Sills says to his knowledge nothing was stolen. Doesn't mean Mr. Dermond didn't have $20,000 in cash stashed that they took that no one knew about. I think Mr. and Mrs. Dermond knew their killer/s or they were duped by someone in disguise as a police officer or security guard. Sills says a clean crime scene, but how long did the killer/s have to clean up? It's just sad it is taking so long to catch whomever did this awful deed!

I am pretty dismayed, too, that this crime has not been solved. At the very first, I was hopeful it would be, fairly quickly.

I am not at all convinced that any fiber, fingerprints, etc. that Sills has said "we have" is actually pertinent to solving the crime. I mean, I'm sure they collected fiber evidence, fingerprints, etc., yeah, sure -- but did they come up with any that actually links to the killer? I hope so, but I am afraid not. Maybe I am underestimating, though.

Bootsctr, I hadn't really thought about WHY the information about the cinder blocks was released, but, now that you mention it, that IS intriguing. Maybe hoping someone would think of someone they know who keeps cinder blocks on their boat...or asked to borrow a couple of blocks for no convincing reason? Or maybe hoping someone had noticed some blocks missing from their dock or yard...?

I also still wonder if maybe the Dermonds' home is NOT where Russell was killed. It's all mystifying to me, still. And more so, as time goes by.

 

[jonnyrock]

At the risk of repeating myself I believe the uncertainty of where the Dermonds were killed speaks volumes. (I still think Shirley was escorted alive to the boat at the Dermond's dock and later murdered on said boat and dumped overboard.) Recall: each was already dead before being subjected to further disposal. Such a horrific crime with layers upon layers of complexity and staged for optimum effect. As for the FBI involvement I think that only had to do with a profiling assist.

 

[dancinunderthemoon]

Dont' understand how the cinder block news by SS to the public would lead him to the suspects if someone reported cinder blocks missing.......If it was the wife or cousin or whatever of the killer/s, they are not likely going to report cinder blocks missing would they? Unless of course they thought someone stole them but how does that link it to the killer or suspect?..........just trying to comprehend...............thanks