Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #2

[Kemug]

Would be great to know where the two cellphones were located when they were removed by the police.

If they were nowhere near the bodies then this might add credence to the idea that they were both so incapacitated in some way that neither could dial 911.

If they were nearby, the opposite.

Also, I assume I'm reading too much into this but:

Could they be this kind of phone?

Greenphone - Wikipedia

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I think some people may be putting too much emphasis on them not using their phones to call for help. Especially in the case of a 95 year old. IMO, if a 95 year old is using a cell phone at all, he's a rarity, it's really new technology to them. And is very probably seldom kept by them.

 

[TristanP]

Has there been something official about the dog in the crate being locked in? I just assumed the dog was in a crate with the door open, able to come and go as it pleased. Lots of dogs like to sleep in their crates, so if it wasn't well, it would make sense that it went to it's "bed" to lay down.

 

[JDG]

Has there been something official about the dog in the crate being locked in? I just assumed the dog was in a crate with the door open, able to come and go as it pleased. Lots of dogs like to sleep in their crates, so if it wasn't well, it would make sense that it went to it's "bed" to lay down.

If it dehydrated to death, as has been suggested, it was locked in.

 

[Luna20]

And you would think Gene’s children would have been in touch with their 95 year old father.

JMO

Unless they were estranged I find it sad to not be in touch with an elderly parent. I mean the gravity of time at that age is literally limited. It could easily be the last birthday or Christmas. I understand no contact and boundaries for toxic relationships. Maybe that was the case and we don’t have that information.

If they were on good terms even just a quick Hello text if talking is awkward and it isn’t your preference.

 

[IceIce9]

I have seen people mentioning tylenol, but the only meds I saw listed were the thyroid and cardiac meds. Do you know where the tylenol info came from? Thanks!

Tylenol was listed in the warrant

New Details Emerge: Medications Identified In Gene Hackman's Santa Fe Residence

Newly released details shed light on the tragic deaths of Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, who were found dead in their home.

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According to a search warrant obtained by PEOPLE, authorities discovered various medications inside the residence, including an unspecified thyroid medication, Tylenol, and diltiazem, which is a drug commonly prescribed for high blood pressure

 

[SophieRose]

I think some people may be putting too much emphasis on them not using their phones to call for help. Especially in the case of a 95 year old. IMO, if a 95 year old is using a cell phone at all, he's a rarity, it's really new technology to them. And is very probably seldom kept by them.

I've seen pictures of elderly celebrities with cell phones, including Dick Van Dyke who turns 100 this year. Hackman's last movie was 2004, cell phones were around then although different. Two cell phones were found in the home. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if he preferred to use a land phone in the house.

 

[Kemug]

DBM

 

[debirlfan]

"That’s obviously very important evidence at the scene," Mendoza told Savannah Guthrie on the Feb. 28 episode of Today. "That information was collected, that information was passed to the office of the medical investigator to help them make a determination. So we’re looking at that specifically and other medications that were possibly in the residence. So that is something of concern."

Possibly one of them had been prescribed pain killers, sleeping pills or whatever, but they weren't found. Police wouldn't know whether they'd been used up or disposed of or not.

 

[JDG]

Unless they were estranged I find it sad to not be in touch with an elderly parent. I mean the gravity of time at that age is literally limited. It could easily be the last birthday or Christmas. I understand no contact and boundaries for toxic relationships. Maybe that was the case and we don’t have that information.

If they were on good terms even just a quick Hello text if talking is awkward and it isn’t your preference.

There are so many thousands (or more) of elderly who do not see or hear from their children.

Not all parents are good, loving parents and not all adult children are appreciative if they did have loving, wonderful or not parents.

Also, people just drift due to distance or busyness when raising their own families while balancing jobs and possibly grandkids of their own.

Lots of scenarios that don’t really involve ‘estrangement’.

 

[friendlysleuther]

I think some people may be putting too much emphasis on them not using their phones to call for help. Especially in the case of a 95 year old. IMO, if a 95 year old is using a cell phone at all, he's a rarity, it's really new technology to them. And is very probably seldom kept by them.

‘to call for help’ —?

 

[Charlot123]

Even if they were wanting to be reclusive, I don’t know why a phone call once a month to a 95 year old parent wouldn’t be welcome. Even a text would be nice. At his age, every day could be the last.

Curious if any of his children were estranged.
Hopefully his Will is specific regarding their inheritance.

When I googled GH’s children, there was more information about the daughters than about his son, the oldest one.

 

[friendlysleuther]

Assume the beneficiary in his Will was his wife. And the beneficiaries in her Will were his 3 children. If he died alone, the kids may have to wait decades until she passed away. Plus in the meantime after his death, she could have changed her will at any time to exclude his kids. Seems like a plausible motive to me.

Thank you. (-:
I’m glad people are beginning to see my POV a bit better…

 

[friendlysleuther]

DBM

huh
What does this mean?

 

[realanastasia]

I think some people may be putting too much emphasis on them not using their phones to call for help. Especially in the case of a 95 year old. IMO, if a 95 year old is using a cell phone at all, he's a rarity, it's really new technology to them. And is very probably seldom kept by them.

Also, it seems possible that, related to his advanced age, GH might’ve had some vision and/or hearing and/or dexterity issues that prevented him from being able to place calls from the cellphone unassisted, or caused him to struggle to carry on a conversation on a small mobile device. My own Dad passed away at the age of 87 1/2 and in the last year of his life, health conditions that seem common in very elderly people—shaking hands, poor vision, and limited hearing—made trying to speak with him by phone an exercise in frustration for us both. GH may have experienced these infirmities to some degree, which could account for the limited phone contact he seems to have had with his kids, as well as for GH not placing an emergency call if Betsy’s health incident occurred before his own.

 

[Tricia]

Even if they were wanting to be reclusive, I don’t know why a phone call once a month to a 95 year old parent wouldn’t be welcome. Even a text would be nice. At his age, every day could be the last.

Curious if any of his children were estranged. Hopefully his Will is specific regarding their inheritance.

Luna20,
This has been on my mind since they were found. Not checking in on your 95 year-old dad on a regular basis is unusual unless the kids and Hackman were estranged.
The fact that they were not found for almost two weeks is sad. No one missed them. No one was worried.
They had a right to be left alone and there is nothing to indicate they were not perfectly happy.
I don't know about you all but it is kind of driving me nuts trying to figure out what happened.
Tricia

 

[Tricia]

huh
What does this mean?

DBM Deleted By Me

 

[Charlot123]

About Ms. Arakawa not calling her mother. I think it is understandable.

Betsy’s mother could have been in Gene’s age group. Betsy and Gene met in her late 20es I believe and married when she was 31. The first ten years Gene was pretty popular, met with Reagan, went to Oscars. Since early 2000es it was self-imposed isolation in Santa Fe.

I don’t know what Ms. Arakawa’s personality was. Private, they say. She tried to become a well-known pianist. That tells me, perseverance, But perhaps Gene, who knew how fame distanced him away from his family, and often spoke about it, wanted his wife to be just that?

Gene was seemingly against nepotism. His older son wanted to get into movies. It didn’t work out. Perhaps the kids didn’t inherit Gene’s talent. Or maybe, one, like Kirk Douglas, has to invest a lot into his son carrying on the dynasty, and Gene didn’t have it in him?

It is all complicated. Ms. Arakawa had an ambition to become an acclaimed pianist. It is a difficult path. She met Gene in the gym where she worked, and they became inseparable. She had a concert piano in their house. And lived at that ranch, I believe, since 1991?

I think it is hard to watch the person you dedicated your whole life to get old. Getting old with him. And then you watch your mom slipping into Alzheimer’s. It means, you call and talk to a caregiver. And at home, COVID caused such isolation! And then, Betsy was seeing an example of what it was to go old, at home, and saw the same during calls to her mom? Thinking, it would happen to her, only no one around her?

I think Ms. Arakawa had loyalty and responsibility. I feel that she was depressed.

 

[Soulmagent]

What I've seen often in cases with a second spouse is the house goes to the children with the stipulation the spouse stays until his/her death. I know of one now where the daughter does not get along with her stepdad, she has to pay utilities, taxes, insurance maintenance (he calls often) from her mother's estate. She did not know her mother set up her will this way.

I think I can kinda see both sides of this off topic ..

 

[friendlysleuther]

Luna20,
This has been on my mind since they were found. Not checking in on your 95 year-old dad on a regular basis is unusual unless the kids and Hackman were estranged.
The fact that they were not found for almost two weeks is sad. No one missed them. No one was worried.
They had a right to be left alone and there is nothing to indicate they were not perfectly happy.
I don't know about you all but it is kind of driving me nuts trying to figure out what happened.
Tricia

aw, Tricia..

Have you read about the food poisoning theories?

 

[ttjo]

I thought it meant Drive By Media but I googled it. Jokes on me! lol

check this page out, its helped me a few times. I'Il bookmark the first page and you can read from there. Click on the title it will take you to the right place.

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COD= Cause Of Death
TOD= Time OF Death
ITA= I Totally Agree
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