Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #3

[NuttMegg]

She said that it was reasonable to assume that Betsy "passed away first, with Feb 11 being the last day she was known to be alive."
That's at about 15 mins in to the video. I'll have to listen to the rest later.

I'm not into conspiracy theories, just that I can see it being logical that she may have lasted a couple of days, unfortunately very sick. ME or sheriff said something about many unanswered emails, too.

 

[LittleSeaTree]

The medical examiner seemed pretty sure, but I think k again the dog stuck.in the crate and lack of any cell phone show she was totally incapacitated. Plus the initial reports were that the reported mummification would be about 2 weeks in those cool dry conditions

It's absolutely horrible to think of but the medical examinor even said his.disease was so bad he very likely wouldn't have known.

Yet 2 dogs managed to be fed for 2 weeks. And 1 died presumably a week from dehydration. Maybe they opened a new bag of food but part of me has to believe they were interacting with gene for that week.

And, if so, we have to believe they were a huge comfort for him! That’s my new vision…they were with him and there was all that unconditional love. Whew, I feel so much better now~~~insert the emoji with the watery eyes, but smiling~~

 

[Izzylizzy]

Sheriff Mendoza said at the beginning of the presser that the Hackman family has been given the results they have so far.
I'm curious if the family had any control if there were findings they didn't want divulged to the public and therefore weren't?

 

[Quill]

it had reported or had some kind of activity on that day from their initial scan
but i guess further scans at autopsy showed the a fib on 18th
that's why i think he may have forgotten to get take his meds which led to the issue

Yes. I have a loved one that takes heart medication. If she doesn't have that, eventually her heart will go into an arrhythmia.

 

[priyaya]

So how long would he have had alzheimers before it was advanced? Wish a reliable expert could weigh in. I genuinely have questions because I know people in their situation
I fear becky may not have known how advanced his disease was
Was he even seeing a medical professionali assume she would have experienced the onset, but maybe it was just that quick or she was too overwhelmed to notice how bad it was. No sane person would take that challenge on without professional help.

 

[jillolantern]

I dont know Mr. Hackman, but I suspect his heart broken. moo

Yet he didn't contact anyone? That doesn't fit for me. If he was cognitive enough to be heart broken he would have taken some action within 6 days.

 

[NuttMegg]

Yet he didn't contact anyone? That doesn't fit for me. If he was cognitive enough to be heart broken he would have taken some action within 6 days.

People have posted how their loved ones with dementia can be super sensitive to emotions, and yes, that includes a "broken heart". And that they can experience, react to the death of the same person multiple times.
Yet that doesn't mean they can pick up a smart phone and figure out how to use it. For one thing, a disabled person would likely push way too many icons at once. and not know how to return to the home screen.

 

[Ghostwheel]

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Now I am curious. Did she die OF hantavirus or WITH hantavirus. I don't suppose it matters. It was all unfortunate. I mean really, if you're cleaning your shed of mouse poop, are you thinking hantavirus? Well, I suppose we all are NOW. But I would not have been. I'd have been sweeping up maybe and not thought of it.

ETA: not saying she was sweeping her shed, but that she might have cleaned something up with mouse or rat droppings.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Now I am curious. Did she die OF hantavirus or WITH hantavirus. I don't suppose it matters. It was all unfortunate. I mean really, if you're cleaning your shed of mouse poop, are you thinking hantavirus? Well, I suppose we all are NOW. But I would not have been. I'd have been sweeping up maybe and not thought of it.

ETA: not saying she was sweeping her shed, but that she might have cleaned something up with mouse or rat droppings.

Well they did report a list of things she did NOT have, including COVID and other respiratory viruses. And the ME did say she had no signs of other significant ailments. MOO

 

[Luna20]

What’s the chances of finding out how often pest control was there? I’d like to know if it was monthly or random. If they hadn’t been in awhile, the abundance of droppings may have gone unnoticed considering the size of the house.

 

[acutename]

Now I am curious. Did she die OF hantavirus or WITH hantavirus. I don't suppose it matters. It was all unfortunate. I mean really, if you're cleaning your shed of mouse poop, are you thinking hantavirus? Well, I suppose we all are NOW. But I would not have been. I'd have been sweeping up maybe and not thought of it.

ETA: not saying she was sweeping her shed, but that she might have cleaned something up with mouse or rat droppings.

they say in the press briefing that she had a cardiac condition caused by the Hanta virus which they say is rare.

 

[formerreddingrunner]

you guessed it ! I would have not guessed that in a million years, It does make sense tho,. pest control I think bugs, but it could have been for mice. They did say infestation But I didn't catch where ? inside or out?
Sad that she died a week before him and he was alone, but at least if they are in their usual surroundings, they can do better cause they have a familiar structure.

He died exactly the same way my dad did, serious heart disease and advanced stage 4 vascular dementia. Eventually as dementia progresses, damage reaches the brainstem. which is responsible for controlling vital functions like breathing and swallowing. The Dr told me it was like those cartoons, where the trees crackled and eventually turned black and died.
So sad, I just hope he didnt hurt, and I hope he didn't remember much.

@tomstrees was the first person to mention hantavirus!! (at least, that I saw). It was Thread #2, post #911 on Wednesday. And then several of us responded. I responded post #915.

So, I'll give credit where credit was due, it was @tomstrees


I did make another post about it this morning, but it was only b/c of what TomsTrees mentioned two days ago.

 

[ClearAhead]

I thought she said at first that BA died on the 11th, then added a bunch of qualifications. I do believe he died on the 18th, if afib is the
last thing registered. That would be brutal for a guy on his condition.

I only recall her saying Betsy was last known to be alive on the 11th. But I understand why that could be interpreted as she died later that day but I’m very sure she never said that considering she clearly stated her date of death couldn’t be confirmed.

So now it seems other people might be hostile towards Betsy because she inconsiderately didn’t realize she’d been in contact with a fatal virus and left Gene wandering around the house by himself for an entire week, even though that’s not what we heard during the update. I thought it was very well done and the ME’s compassion was very evident so I’m very sorry if already that’s been cast aside in the face of more drama. JMO

 

[DS2021]

Her symptoms may have been sudden onset.

If they determine she didnt access her phone after the 11th, i think its safe to assume she was deceased by them

 

[Ghostwheel]

they say in the press briefing that she had a cardiac condition caused by the Hanta virus which they say is rare.

I did read that, but how would they KNOW the cardiac arrest was caused by the hantavirus? Scenario: you caught hantavirus somehow. But you aren't sick yet or sick enough to think you need help. And then you have a cardiac arrest due to some other reason (like maybe you are just old enough to randomly have one or you have heart arrhythmia from meds that leads to a heart attack, etc). Then you would have had a cardiac arrest, but it wasn't CAUSED by hantavirus. And I ask this because my mother died with sepsis of the blood, and while that might look like what killed her, she died with sepsis, not from sepsis. I had to point out that she died from COPD at the hospital and they changed the cause of death because I was right and someone wrote something down wrong. So now I always wonder.

 

[NuttMegg]

I only recall her saying Betsy was last known to be alive on the 11th. But I understand why that could be interpreted as she died later that day but I’m very sure she never said that considering she clearly stated her date of death couldn’t be confirmed.

So now it seems other people might be hostile towards Betsy because she inconsiderately didn’t realize she’d been in contact with a fatal virus and left Gene wandering around the house by himself for an entire week, even though that’s not what we heard during the update. I thought it was very well done and the ME’s compassion was very evident so I’m very sorry if already that’s been cast aside in the face of more drama. JMO

I would also be sorry if anyone cast aside the ME's compassion in the face of drama. She seemed to be a sincere wonderful spokesperson.

 

[jillolantern]

People have posted how their loved ones with dementia can be super sensitive to emotions, and yes, that includes a "broken heart". And that they can experience, react to the death of the same person multiple times.
Yet that doesn't mean they can pick up a smart phone and figure out how to use it. For one thing, a disabled person would likely push way too many icons at once. and not know how to return to the home screen.

Reacting multiple times proves my point. I stand by my comment.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I did read that, but how would they KNOW the cardiac arrest was caused by the hantavirus? Scenario: you caught hantavirus somehow. But you aren't sick yet or sick enough to think you need help. And then you have a cardiac arrest due to some other reason (like maybe you are just old enough to randomly have one or you have heart arrhythmia from meds that leads to a heart attack, etc). Then you would have had a cardiac arrest, but it wasn't CAUSED by hantavirus. And I ask this because my mother died with sepsis of the blood, and while that might look like what killed her, she died with sepsis, not from sepsis. I had to point out that she died from COPD at the hospital and they changed the cause of death because I was right and someone wrote something down wrong. So now I always wonder.

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[iamshadow21]

They are able to move the pads however!

^^^^This. We tried stuffing steel wool in our rat holes. They'd just push past them.

 

[Cedars]

Now I am curious. Did she die OF hantavirus or WITH hantavirus. I don't suppose it matters. It was all unfortunate. I mean really, if you're cleaning your shed of mouse poop, are you thinking hantavirus? Well, I suppose we all are NOW. But I would not have been. I'd have been sweeping up maybe and not thought of it.

ETA: not saying she was sweeping her shed, but that she might have cleaned something up with mouse or rat droppings.

She died of hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.

At autopsy, a medical examiner can see that the physical cause of death is the lungs filled with fluid, there is no damage to the heart.

The medical examiner has a list of things that might cause the lungs to have filled with fluid, each of which is tested to rule it in or out. eg not a drowning, not a drug overdose...test the lung tissue for hantavirus - bingo.

See "Non-heart-related (noncardiogenic) pulmonary edema" on this page

Pulmonary edema-Pulmonary edema - Symptoms & causes - Mayo Clinic

Get more information about the causes of this potentially life-threatening lung condition and learn how to treat and prevent it.

www.mayoclinic.org