Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #3

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Most people here use rodenticide in the boxes, but we do not because of its effects on owls and wildlife.
RS&BM
PLEASE DO NOT USE RODENTICIDE.

I want to please emphasize your point here, @MrsEmmaPeel.

Naturally folks engaged with sleuthing this case may have new found respect for rodent control, especially in western U.S. And I've seen several posts across this thread since yesterday's presser lamenting efforts to control rodents.

Sadly, efforts by licensed "pest control' companies across the U.S. often use RODENTICIDES in bait to kill rodents. It is a slow death, usually caused by blood thinners (e.g Warfarin). Poisoned rodents can slowly wander around out or inside for some time before bleeding out internally. And they become easy prey to cats, owls, hawks, foxes, snakes, etc.

The "bicatch" of RODENTICIDE is horrific. Countless wild animals are needlessly killed because humans use poison to control rodent pests. I know first hand as a long time volunteer for wild bird rehab organizations. I have retrieved from the wild many listless owls and hawks, only to learn they are needlessly poisoned.

 
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Wills. Order of Deaths.
I think that would only be in effect if they died without wills. Other a simultaneous death clause has become a common inclusion in wills, often both deaths occurring within 30 days are considered at the same time.

But regardless, iirc in the early days of news reporting on this tragedy it was revealed the Hackman home was held in a lawyers trust so that means beneficiary arrangements would be separate from personal property. Perhaps GH’s entire estate was involved, but as that’s a private matter, we don’t know. But senior wealthy people often have well organized estates in order to minimize probate and tax consequences.

“Typically, wills include a standard simultaneous death clause mirroring the state statute. However, Hackman and his wife may have wills dictating what should happen if they die simultaneously or if their order of death cannot be determined. For example, they could stipulate that the time period extend to 30 or 90 days.”
@ClearAhead
From ^ "I think that would only be in effect if they died without wills."

I believe NM's statutory survival 120hr req'mt (default) applies to probate proceedings for
- intestate decedents and
- testate decedents, whose wills do NOT contain "language dealing explicitly with simultaneous deaths or deaths in a common disaster..." See ¶ B, referring to "provisions of governing instruments" which would include wills.

It's likely imo that virtually all atty-drafted wills for people in NM contain "language dealing explicitly with simultaneous deaths or deaths in a common disaster..." so it's also likely that ¶ D below ("Survival by one hundred twenty hours is not required.") applies.

Still doubting if substantial amts of assets [ETA: of Hackman and/or Arakawa] will be probated thru court proceedings, as it's likely imo that trusts provide for distribution of their estates.

BTW, a snip from my earlier post #588:
"*** Info on file w the SF County Assessor's office indicates that title to 1425 Old Sunset Trail is held by a trust presumably established by Mr. H. and/or Ms A. Based on the existence of that trust, either individually or as a couple, imo likely that they received estate planning advice from attorneys knowledgeable in the field...."

imo
_________________________________________
From NM statute:
"Code § 45-2-702. Requirement of survival by one hundred twenty hours."
"A. For the purposes of the Uniform Probate Code, except as provided in Subsection D of this section, an individual who is not established by clear and convincing evidence to have survived an event, including the death of another individual, by one hundred twenty hours is deemed to have predeceased the event.
B. Except as provided in Subsection D of this section, for purposes of a provision of a governing instrument that relates to an individual surviving an event, including the death of another individual, an individual who is not established by clear and convincing evidence to have survived the event by one hundred twenty hours is deemed to have predeceased the event.
D. Survival by one hundred twenty hours is not required if:
(1) the governing instrument contains language dealing explicitly with simultaneous deaths or deaths in a common disaster and that language is operable under the facts of the case;
(2) the governing instrument expressly indicates that an individual is not required to survive an event, including the death of another individual, by any specified period or expressly requires the individual to survive the event by a specified period, but survival of the event or specified period must be established by clear and convincing evidence;..."
 
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I felt certain that the major risk from Hantavirus was from OLD mouse feces or carcasses, not fresh. And it makes sense that breathing particles from the air is easier when the source of those particles is dried out.

But I've now seen several references saying that the virus only stays live for a few days following its shedding by the mouse, so I have changed my thinking on that. I wanted to be sure no one thinks I'm asserting incorrect info (any more). Thanks y'all for helping me become more informed.
 
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Our rodent company in NM comes monthly. There are big black boxes with traps inside, and the boxes are outdoors. The company comes, checks boxes, and leaves. Most people here use rodenticide in the boxes, but we do not because of its effects on owls and wildlife. So if they had pest visits bi-monthly that is double the norm, and it might mean Betsy was concerned about the problem.
I don't understand that. A mouse colony will reproduce fast enough, there'll be a whole new generation by the time they put down new traps. And they leave the dead mice in the traps to rot for a month? I really wonder about this so-called service.

I agree though, poisoning all the beings that will eat a freshly dead mouse lying in the open is truly terrible.
 
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I felt certain that the major risk from Hantavirus was from OLD mouse feces or carcasses, not fresh. And it makes sense that breathing particles from the air is easier when the source of those particles is dried out.

But I've now seen several references saying that the virus only stays live for a few days following its shedding by the mouse, so I have changed my thinking on that. I wanted to be sure no one thinks I'm asserting incorrect info (any more). Thanks y'all for helping me become more informed.

This is what I thought as well - it’s contacted from old dried droppings - but obviously that’s not true.

How Long Are Mouse Droppings Dangerous?​

So, how long are mouse droppings dangerous? Even though you won’t likely catch hantavirus from old droppings, you should still use caution. You can catch hantavirus from particles of feces, droplets, or saliva.

These types of excrement are often located in nests and areas that mice frequent. If you disturb the materials, you risk inhaling excrement particles, which may lead to hantavirus infection.

How long does the hantavirus survive in feces? Its average survival lasts between two and four days, depending on the surrounding conditions. Hantavirus doesn’t survive quite as long when exposed to more extreme outdoor conditions.
 
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I felt certain that the major risk from Hantavirus was from OLD mouse feces or carcasses, not fresh. And it makes sense that breathing particles from the air is easier when the source of those particles is dried out.

But I've now seen several references saying that the virus only stays live for a few days following its shedding by the mouse, so I have changed my thinking on that. I wanted to be sure no one thinks I'm asserting incorrect info (any more). Thanks y'all for helping me become more informed.
IHonestly the bigger issue is the mouse pee. They pee on everything. On hard surfaces it can dry become solid and then another particulate lve seen them climb walls and get in place you'd never imagine. People often go to get things and it could have pee all over it.

My first approach is always to bleach every surface
 
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RS&BM
PLEASE DO NOT USE RODENTICIDE.

I want to please emphasize your point here, @MrsEmmaPeel.

Naturally folks engaged with sleuthing this case may have new found respect for rodent control, especially in western U.S. And I've seen several posts across this thread since yesterday's presser lamenting efforts to control rodents.

Sadly, efforts by licensed "pest control' companies across the U.S. often use RODENTICIDES in bait to kill rodents. It is a slow death, usually caused by blood thinners (e.g Warfarin). Poisoned rodents can slowly wander around out or inside for some time before bleeding out internally. And they become easy prey to cats, owls, hawks, foxes, snakes, etc.

The "bicatch" of RODENTICIDE is horrific. Countless wild animals are needlessly killed because humans use poison to control rodent pests. I know first hand as a long time volunteer for wild bird rehab organizations. I have retrieved from the wild many listless owls and hawks, only to learn they are needlessly poisoned.

Yes, hawks, eagles, and family pets die from consuming mice who have been poisoned.

Thanks for taking the opportunity to share this important message.
 
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It is sad. Without Betsy, he likely wasn’t taking any of his heart medication.

Surveillance footage
From a CNN article:

"Sheriff Adan Mendoza said investigators have been able to identify her on surveillance cameras earlier in the day on February 11, when all her outgoing communication and activity stopped."

oh ok thank you both but that was in the town correct? not in the house or on the property?

ETA: I see now it was in town
 
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Privacy Destroyed.
I've posted way too much on this and must let go -- but I think it grabs me over and over because of the irony. More than anything Betsy and Gene wanted privacy, and by pursuing this to an extreme, they've ended up in the very thing they dreaded. Media hoopla. If Betsy had allowed a caregiver into their lives, one or both of them would have passed quietly with no media frenzy. I hope their deaths serve a purpose in alerting people to hantavirus, caregiver obsession with no backup, the dangers of isolation, directives for our pets, and the importance of community and friendship, especially as we age . . .etc.
@MrsEmmaPeel Thanks so much :) for expressing these thoughts.

"Media hoopla" is the perfect phrase.
 
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Here's where I'm stuck...

Alzheimers is progressive

Gene had a pacemaker and needed medication so he was being seen by a doctor.

Betsy was the sole caregiver and would have been in touch with his medical team.

How would a medical team allow a person in his state,which would have been diagnosed, to only be cared for by a non medical professional?

Alzheimers is progressive. For it to be at that late of a stage he obviously couldn't care for himself and requires round the clock care.

In the US you can have a family memeber be your primary care giver but it is still regulated with regular checkins. Given the passage of time and lack of communication it does not appear this was the case.

How could a person on medications and with his level.of disease be taken so far off the grid with zero check ins or regulations

I think becky was just blinded by her love and devotion

The space heater on the floor tells me she had a fever with chills. Gives.me some hope she was so delirious that she went quick. Maybe I. The only one here but if she kept suffering for days I can't imagine how painful it was as a caregiver to be so far incapacitated you couldn't help

Betsy ...
 
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It may not take away dignity but publication of private communication for no valid reason is an invasion of privacy between two parties. If the people Betsy was communicating with choose to ‘tell all’ to the media i guess that’s up to them but their risk is loss of clients since most people want their business to remain private. JMO
All they released was the last known date of outside communication. Nothing about the content or the identity of their correspondents.
 
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All they released was the last known date of outside communication. Nothing about the content or the identity of their correspondents.

My mistake, sorry, just ignore as I misunderstood your post.
 
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Transcript of Sheriff's Media Conf. on Fri.

@LadyL
Here's a link to transcript you might want to read.

https://turboscribe.ai/transcript/s...on-gene-hackman-and-wifes-death-investigation

Personally missing a few points when watching it live yesterday, I found it helpful to read today & reread to clarify some details.
Quotes from transcript.

"Numerous emails were unopened on her computer on February 11th. There was no additional outgoing communication from her or known activity after February 11th, 2025."

"Cell phone information, the cell phone information and the cell phone data is pending. We're working with state police to get the information from those phones but our investigation shows that the all the last known communication and activity from Ms. Arakawa was on February 11th."

"Based on the circumstances, it is reasonable to conclude that Ms. Hackman passed away first with February 11th being the last time that she was known to be alive."
 
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oh ok thank you both but that was in the town correct? not in the house or on the property?

ETA: I see now it was in town
@LadyL
Some vid or digital evd was at the entry to the gated community.

At conf,. Sheriff said:
".... Her car was seen on surveillance and the remote control clicker that is assigned to her and her vehicle was used to enter the subdivision to gain access to the gated community at 5.15 p.m...."

^ From the transcript, at link I posted about 15min ago.
 
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Quotes from transcript.

"Numerous emails were unopened on her computer on February 11th. There was no additional outgoing communication from her or known activity after February 11th, 2025."

"Cell phone information, the cell phone information and the cell phone data is pending. We're working with state police to get the information from those phones but our investigation shows that the all the last known communication and activity from Ms. Arakawa was on February 11th."

"Based on the circumstances, it is reasonable to conclude that Ms. Hackman passed away first with February 11th being the last time that she was known to be alive."
Exactly. It doesn't mean that she died that day.
If she was starting to feel unwell she might not have felt like bothering with emails.
I check my emails several times a day, but I'm aware that many people do not, and perhaps she was one of those.
 
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