Gene Hackman dead at 95: Iconic actor and wife, 63, are found dead with their dog at Santa Fe home. #3

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Two caretakers talking, one worked for GH for 28 years the other for 16 years. The second caretaker says the Hackmans made Santa Fe their fulltime home about five years ago. Before that they split their time with home in Florida, which they sold when they left. Florida is where Gene was injured while riding his bike in 2012, same place.


Gene Hackman and former football coach Jimmy Johnson live here, as did Hall of Fame baseball player Ted Williams who began visiting Islamorada in 1943. For the next 45 years, Ted was the island's most well-known resident.

www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/national/body-cam-footage-shows-emotional-maintenance-worker-after-gene-hackman-found-dead/video/ff41e39b21b47a69883890db4f393a51
 
The couple also owned a large property in Hawaii and I think another property downtown ( the caretaker mentions this property,) all in Betsy's name. There are pictures of all the properties at the link below.


 
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To the person who spotted the doll in the video: according to today's Santa Fe New Mexican newspaper, the Hackman's dogtrainer, who was called to the scene to help capture the two dogs, said the Hackmans were "nuts" about their dogs and “There’s toys everywhere around the property.” So that answers that!

I figured that, thanks for this.
 
I think that was very sensitive of Hackman's daughter to request that Betsy be cremated with her dog. She likely knew how close Betsy was to the dog and wanted to honor that sentiment the best way she could, given the circumstances.
@Sundog From the phone call regarding what to do with the remains of the deceased dog. I didn't interpret that Betsy would be cremated as your post may suggest. I took it as the dog being cremated and the dogs ashes being buried with Betsy. (e.g. in the casket with Besty)

I don't think it has ever been reported if Gene or Betsy were cremated or even buried. Also I have not yet seen seen an obituary for either of them.

JMO

 
@Sundog From the phone call regarding what to do with the remains of the deceased dog. I didn't interpret that Betsy would be cremated as your post may suggest. I took it as the dog being cremated and the dogs ashes being buried with Betsy. (e.g. in the casket with Besty)

I don't think it has ever been reported if Gene or Betsy were cremated or even buried. Also I have not yet seen seen an obituary for either of them.

JMO

Thanks for the correction.
 
I wasn't going to say anything, but in light of the recent news that both Gene and Betsy bodies are apparently unclaimed at the morgue, I found it odd how Elizabeth said to bury the dogs remains with Betsy when she was contacted by the Sheriff Deputy, almost like she was expecting the Sheriff Dept to bury Betsy and she had no intentions of making arrangements for Betsy with funeral home herself.

But learning now that no arrangements have been made for Gene, tells me the family divide may run deeper than anyone thought. Also may sheds some light on why there may have been no communication with the children for months prior to their deaths.

On a side note: Gene's son made arrangements to hire an attorney.

JMO
 
I wasn't going to say anything, but in light of the recent news that both Gene and Betsy bodies are apparently unclaimed at the morgue, I found it odd how Elizabeth said to bury the dogs remains with Betsy when she was contacted by the Sheriff Deputy, almost like she was expecting the Sheriff Dept to bury Betsy and she had no intentions of making arrangements for Betsy with funeral home herself.

But learning now that no arrangements have been made for Gene, tells me the family divide may run deeper than anyone thought. Also may sheds some light on why there may have been no communication with the children for months prior to their deaths.

On a side note: Gene's son made arrangements to hire an attorney.

JMO
The employee who worked for the gated community (for 28 years) had the number of the woman in charge of the estate who may have given him the daughter's number. So was the estate trustee the emergency contact number.
 
The couple also owned a large property in Hawaii and I think another property downtown (the caretaker mentions this property,) all in Betsy's name.

It's a VERY good bet that this (by The Sun) is another case of erroneous reporting.

In order to determine the precise owner of these properties, a reporter would have to look at the deed itself (which would be a public record) for the exact wording, and then understand that wording. However, a search of online info might be greatly abbreviated (and ill-informed reporters are unlikely to know of a need to dig deeper).

The 3 properties mentioned in their article include the home itself, and it has already been reported that the wording on that deed has titled the property into Trust ownership, with BA being noted as the trustee. The Sun only picked up on BA's name in that case, and in light of the fact that GH and BA obviously had ongoing advice on handling assets, it stands to reason that the other properties were titled in a similar way (ie, ownership is XYZ Trust, with BA its trustee).

This same rag of a paper has a different recent article (see Gene Hackman's 3 children 'will get everything' in $80 million estate ) with the sensationalized headline that the kids are likely to get all of his and her assets per their expert, with multiple facts of the case wrongly stated, and an expert who frankly has MULTIPLE pieces of pure nonsense in his opinions - he has no clue about the facts in this case, NOR about the wording in the wills, nor about the trusts, nor the ramifications flowing from all of that.

Bottom line? Yes GH/BA had multiple properties. But no, the Sun has no real clue as to who will inherit what. And from prior observation, the estates of GH and BA were (and continue to be) well handled with astute advisors who created the necessary legal framework to ensure their wishes (whatever they were) remain private, and that their intended heirs will inherit as GH/BA intended.
 
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Regarding the unclaimed bodies. . . If their wishes were known to be cremated, it seems cremation would have happened. The kids can decide for their dad, but making a decision for BA would fall to whom? A distant relative? The executor/trustee? My stepdad has a notarized document saying he authorizes me (a non-relative) to cremate him. The funeral home required it. They told me that they will not cremate someone without the agreed permission of all direct heirs. (They have been sued.) So in the case of my stepdad, we now have a notarized permission from him for when that day comes. I'm sure this varies by locale. -- More things to know about your own personal affairs!
 
Anyone want to submit a request for a list of all unclaimed bodies?



You don't need to do that. They publish the list online and update it on Mondays and Fridays:


Scroll all the way to the bottom for tbr PDF list. I wonder if we'll see them taken off the list tomorrow (Friday).
 
You don't need to do that. They publish the list online and update it on Mondays and Fridays:


Scroll all the way to the bottom for tbr PDF list. I wonder if we'll see them taken off the list tomorrow (Friday).
Well that was easy. I guess TMZ isn't full of garbage this time. (Surprise, surprise) Thanks @Bounceycat

2025-01644 Hackman, B 1959 Santa Fe
2025-01643 Hackman, G 1930 Santa Fe
 
I wasn't going to say anything, but in light of the recent news that both Gene and Betsy bodies are apparently unclaimed at the morgue, I found it odd how Elizabeth said to bury the dogs remains with Betsy when she was contacted by the Sheriff Deputy, almost like she was expecting the Sheriff Dept to bury Betsy and she had no intentions of making arrangements for Betsy with funeral home herself.

But learning now that no arrangements have been made for Gene, tells me the family divide may run deeper than anyone thought. Also may sheds some light on why there may have been no communication with the children for months prior to their deaths.

On a side note: Gene's son made arrangements to hire an attorney.

JMO

While I don’t know the specifics of GH’s family situation, mentally I see some parallels with my late uncle’s one. (Can we play Miss Marple, even given different countries?) My uncle left his family and grownup daughters to marry a woman of exactly their age. His age and his new wife’s age difference was not the bracket comparable to GH and BA. When uncle divorced his first wife, he left absolutely everything, apartment, valuables, money - to that family. (This would probably be equal - not in value but in the idea - to Gene’s divorce settlement) However, this is where the train stopped for his daughters.

One difference from Gene: uncle’s and his new wife’s initial agreement was not to have kids, but nonetheless a child did appear. My uncle, within the remaining lifespan, managed to get pretty well-off riding the wave of changes. He died in his early 80es, mentally, in a fantastic shape. All the property accrued in the second marriage was left to the wife. His older daughters, to me, got a very short end of the stick. His rationale: the second wife dedicated her life to him. I suspect that he simply wanted to be taken care of as usual and avoid inconveniences. He saw that the daughters were struggling.

JMO: by analogy, it may be less about the “rift” and more about the feeling of happiness in Gene’s second marriage. My uncle maintained relationship with his daughters, but they were his “prior” life. In the “new” life he was happy.

So I see certain pattern hinting at a man’s view. GH’s first family supported him when he lived in a tiny apartment, through his struggles as a young actor, he even borrowed a car from his daughter. So there is that. On the other hand, the times of hardship one doesn’t remember fondly. That life was left behind and in his new one, GH wanted to be comfortable.

Absence of an offspring in Gene’s second marriage is irrelevant: for the man, it was about own happiness. I can only guess what kind of the charity Betsy left her money to.

(BTW, I feel that unclaimed bodies wouldn’t mean that much for Gene and there is a legal reason for it anyhow. IMHO, being remembered at the “Oscar” surely would have meant a lot for him.)

So I view GH’s situation as not a rift but the result of compartmentalizing own life. Gene and Betsy give an impression of introverted planners, happy in small “nests” they created in Santa Fe, and Florida, and now we read about an island in the PNW.

So GH and BA did what they wanted to, lived the way they wanted to; grew old together. With time, their world was shrinking but stayed stable.

I anssume that inheritance laws are complex with many provisions. In uncle’s country, even with the will, the daughters could have contested 1/6 of the property, but they decided not to. I assume that here there are ways to discuss it.

For example, can this statement of Gene made in 2004 in a rare interview


(*Hackman added, “’I want to make sure that my wife and my family are taken care of. Other than that, I don’t have a lot of fears.”*) be viewed as an expressed intent to provide for his children?

It is interesting how it ends. My condolences for Gene’s children and Betsy’s beloved ones.
 
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