Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #2

[RichardKimble]

Possible yes, but speculative as well.

My own speculation: There are videos, including a particular modus operandi. If the prosecutors will pin CB on Hazel, they will be able to pin him on Maddie and maybe others, we do not know about yet.

So Hazel may be kind of a "key witness" in some way?! We'll see....

What possible mo can link the two?

 

[RichardKimble]

Could well be him. Although if it is him, what a lot it says about the calibre of witness here... living in Cambodia under an assumed name...!

But, he gave evidence in the DM trial, according to this link, so it seems a likely guess that it's him.

Friend '100% certain' Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner snatched her

Exclusive: Christian Post was tracked down by the Mirror to a small town in Cambodia where he lives under an assumed name. In his first ever interview he told how he and Christian Brueckner would go to each other’s flats after they became friends.

www.irishmirror.ie

JC named him in the Olive.

 

[JB1510]

What possible mo can link the two?

It very well maybe 3 that we know of. “ There are parallels between the cases of DM, HB and the disappearance of MM.”

 

[Anxala]

It very well maybe 3 that we know of. “ There are parallels between the cases of DM, HB and the disappearance of MM.”

^ I'm assuming that's an actual quote? Where has it come from? Who said it?

 

[SuperdadV8]

@SuperdadV8 "Pin on" sounds like you don't think they will necessarily prove each case?

But I don't think the judges will find him guilty in each case if they aren't satisfied with the level of proof for each.

Hard to say, because i'm not aware of the evidence in each case. If case and trial are mainly based on footage, it might be successful, or unfortuneatly not. Court has to link the things that might be shown, to CB just B-A-R-D!

The playground incident in Messines (?) depends on proving the sexually-related intentions. Looks good imo, but won't be the main emphasis.
The Salema Beach incident, i don't know. Maybe 50/50. Probably depends on the reliability of witnesses/victims, but not the main emphasis as well, imo.

We'll see...! Hopefully, we're going to achieve a kind of wisdom in the near future....

 

[JB1510]

^ I'm assuming that's an actual quote? Where has it come from? Who said it?

Behind a paywall but from the Irish independent.

Portuguese police reopen probe into rape of Irish woman (37) amid claims of links to Madeleine McCann suspect

Police in Portugal have reopened their investigation into the rape of Irish woman Hazel Behan after she came forward to say she believes her attacker may be Madeleine McCann suspect, Christian Brueckner.

www.independent.ie

“There are parallels with the case of the American tourist who was raped, the attack on Hazel Behan, and the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann,” Mr Wolters said.

 

[Anxala]

Thanks @JB1510

I know we don't know what Herr Wolters knows but I'm struggling to see any parallels between the clearly planned assault/rape by CB of *3 adult women in their apartments and the disappearance of a 3yr old child from an apartment that showed no signs or evidence of a break in.

Any thoughts, anyone, on what these alleged parallels might be?

(*alleged, for the present, in the case of HaB and the unknown older woman on the charge sheet since CB has not been convicted of these assaults.)

 

[Consider Dudley]

Thanks @JB1510

I know we don't know what Herr Wolters knows but I'm struggling to see any parallels between the clearly planned assault/rape by CB of *3 adult women in their apartments and the disappearance of a 3yr old child from an apartment that showed no signs or evidence of a break in.

*alleged, for the present, in the case of HaB and the unknown older woman on the charge sheet.

Did any of the rapes show signs of a break in (apart from the obvious presence of a rapist)?

 

[RichardKimble]

Thanks @JB1510

I know we don't know what Herr Wolters knows but I'm struggling to see any parallels between the clearly planned assault/rape by CB of *3 adult women in their apartments and the disappearance of a 3yr old child from an apartment that showed no signs or evidence of a break in.

Any thoughts, anyone, on what these alleged parallels might be?

(*alleged, for the present, in the case of HaB and the unknown older woman on the charge sheet since CB has not been convicted of these assaults.)

It is difficult to see any correlation between the one he's convicted of and two he's charged with and MM, DM was attacked in her home /apartment , HaB is alleged to have been attacked in her apartment, the unidentified elderly lady is alleged to have been attacked in her home, what evidence is there that MM was attacked in 5a?

 

[Consider Dudley]

It is difficult to see any correlation between the one he's convicted of and two he's charged with and MM, DM was attacked in her home /apartment , HaB is alleged to have been attacked in her apartment, the unidentified elderly lady is alleged to have been attacked in her home, what evidence is there that MM was attacked in 5a?

I think you’re missing one glaring connection and that is - all involve a predator entering a dwelling uninvited for nefarious purposes, a predator who gets enjoyment from controlling and harming defenceless females.

 

[Davieson]

I think you’re missing one glaring connection and that is - all involve a predator entering a dwelling uninvited for nefarious purposes, a predator who gets enjoyment from controlling and harming defenceless females.

I would call it a similarity rather than a connection. As yet, no connection between CB and MM/5A has been demonstrated.
Nor is there any similarity between any of his known crimes and disappearance of MM

All IMO

 

[Consider Dudley]

I would call it a similarity rather than a connection. As yet, no connection between CB and MM/5A has been demonstrated.
Nor is there any similarity between any of his known crimes and disappearance of MM

All IMO

My post demonstrates that there is a similarity- your word. It’s the similarity in modus operandi and motivation which connects him to the crime of Madeleine’s disappearance. IMO.

 

[Anxala]

It is difficult to see any correlation between the one he's convicted of and two he's charged with and MM, DM was attacked in her home /apartment , HaB is alleged to have been attacked in her apartment, the unidentified elderly lady is alleged to have been attacked in her home, what evidence is there that MM was attacked in 5a?

All planned and all appear (as per witness statements) to have followed the same pattern, break-in, disable victim, leisurely carry out assault and rape while filming. The parallels are clear in those 3 cases. But crucially, all involved time to carry out these attacks so carried out when he felt confident he wouldn't be interrupted which suggests he would have done some advance recce.

Quite how the alleged very busy comings and goings and checkings of the Tapas lot fits into that 'advance prep' MO, I can't say.

 

[Consider Dudley]

All planned and all appear (as per witness statements) to have followed the same pattern, break-in, disable victim, leisurely carry out assault and rape while filming. The parallels are clear in those 3 cases. But crucially, all involved time to carry out these attacks so carried out when he felt confident he wouldn't be interrupted which suggests he would have done some advance recce.

Quite how the alleged very busy comings and goings and checkings of the Tapas lot fits into that 'advance prep' MO, I can't say.

CB is guilty of spontaneous crimes as well as pre-planned ones. I think he planned to break into Apartment 5a to rob it and spontaneously decided to take a child instead.

 

[mrjitty]

Thanks @JB1510

I know we don't know what Herr Wolters knows but I'm struggling to see any parallels between the clearly planned assault/rape by CB of *3 adult women in their apartments and the disappearance of a 3yr old child from an apartment that showed no signs or evidence of a break in.

Any thoughts, anyone, on what these alleged parallels might be?

(*alleged, for the present, in the case of HaB and the unknown older woman on the charge sheet since CB has not been convicted of these assaults.)

We've discussed this before at length so won't go into all the detail too much

As a general rule MO or 'similar fact' evidence isn't probative from one case to the next unless there is a unique signature. I'd argue that exists between the current HB trial and the rape he is convicted for, and the evidence reported from the lost video tape - indeed the Court held as much last time around.

Also - evidence that he routinely broke into holiday apartments could be relevant in any MM trial. e.g CP claiming he had all the stolen passports. The alleged SIM card found at the factory.

Where this is all unconvincing to me is that in the MM case, as far as we know, we don't have any particular signature. So for example if it's a 'burglary gone wrong" theory, the fact that CB is a burglar, and rapist, doesn't make it any more likely he did this 'burglary'. It's a form of logical fallacy that @Janosch has pointed out a couple of times i.e. a profile is not evidence

What you need is evidence that more directly ties him in, and then evidence of previous convictions/misconduct could come in to play

The other thing here, is that CB is already convicted of rape, and you already have the CP evidence, the alleged SIM card etc. So why do you need to do a another trial first? You have all this evidence already.

So I don't really buy into complicated stepping stone ideas - I think they are just trying to take him down with the strongest evidence they have right now.

 

[RichardKimble]

It ought be pointed out the 46 witness do not emerge from a direct quote attributed to any one, rather a journalist printing numbers .

Christian Brueckner will see 46 witnesses speak during his trial

The German sex offender is accused of a trio of rapes, which he allegedly filmed, and two further child sex offences.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Consider Dudley]

It ought be pointed out the 46 witness do not emerge from a direct quote attributed to any one, rather a journalist printing numbers .

Christian Brueckner will see 46 witnesses speak during his trial

The German sex offender is accused of a trio of rapes, which he allegedly filmed, and two further child sex offences.

www.dailymail.co.uk

There exists a schedule of witnesses with names on it. I very much doubt the journalist plucked a figure out of the air, or saw 23 witnesses written down on it and decided to double the figure just for a laugh.

 

[Davieson]

46 witnesses sounds like overkill to me, unless some of them haven't much of value to offer.

 

[RichardKimble]

46 witnesses sounds like overkill to me, unless some of them haven't much of value to offer.

Given the author of the piece said the summer searches at the reservoir were looking for three bodies, it may be best to see any actual reporting from the case.

 

[Deleted member 268165]

3 years, 7 months, and 15 days ... since German authorities said CB killed Madeleine, and not trial yet.