Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #2
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I’m not so sure , I think MS has seen 2 videos and HeB has seen 3 inc the DM assault.HeB mentions a 3rd video in the recent 60 mins doc and I’m sure I’ve seen another reference recently I’ll see if I can find. It’s always been oddly reported with no confirmation as such .If HeB did view the DM assault that would definitely hold more weight seeing as it was corroborated by DM herself .
Bit about 3rd video around 9min mark.
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I guess to some extent. One question I wondered about myself is whether the Court's finding on the truthfulness of their accounts in the last trial has to be noted in this trial - but I guess seeing they testified again, this Court can make its own determination
Did you watch it ? It comes from HeB on camera rather than just mentioned.
In the reporting i read on the original judgement it said no one saw the DM video. Rather the Court found that MS&HeB must have been telling the truth because they recounted details they could only have known by seeing a similar video.
Yes, I thought that. While this court cannot reverse any earlier decision, it doesn't have to follow that earlier decision as regards any testimony.
I have grave doubts about these videos and the reliability of the witnesses, but time will tell.
I remember the reporting is from FAZ and @Hygge had the details
The 2 men reported 3 rapes
An 70 year old lady with painted over swimming googles - the Court found this was not DM as one woman was petite and the other larger
A 50 year old "Italian" woman
The young girl tied to the pole (both saw her)
The 2 men reported 3 rapes
An 70 year old lady with painted over swimming googles - the Court found this was not DM as one woman was petite and the other larger
A 50 year old "Italian" woman
The young girl tied to the pole (both saw her)
I don't watch any of these documentaries as they all have their own agenda and I'm not buying into any of them.
Thought that maybe the case.
Yes, although not to quibble, the 'Italian woman' was said to be in her 40s rather than 50s, and her attack was described as an attack, from the footage, not a rape. She's the one who didn't make the charge cut.
This was discussed in detail in previous threads.
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Day 2, again, more of the same nothing..
Not surprising really when it centred on unidentified victims and recollections of videos from years ago that appear to no longer exist.
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From Bild,Google translate.
Braunschweig - "I hope all this
is over soon."
This is what witness Manfred S. (68) says this morning in Braunschweig District Court, meaning that the allegations against Christian Brückner (47) should finally be cleared up. The three rapes and the two cases of sexual abuse of children for which Brückner is on trial. And also the case of Maddie McCann (then 3), for whose disappearance the accused is allegedly responsible according to the public prosecutor's office. "I hope all this is over soon" also sounds as if the witness was referring to his own questioning.
For six hours this Friday morning, the judge, prosecutors and defense lawyers grilled the pensioner from Lüdenscheid.
In 2006, he and his friend Helge B. (53) broke into Brückner's bungalow in Portugal, where they stole a camera and video tapes, among other things. The tapes allegedly showed Brückner raping several women. Two of these crimes, whose victims are still unknown, have now been charged in Braunschweig. That is why Manfred S. is on the witness stand.
The pensioner is a difficult witness, his memory occasionally seems to let him down. He has already commented on the videos several times: during questioning by the BKA in 2018, at a trial against Brückner in 2019, in several TV interviews.
On this morning, he remembers some things differently than in previous statements.
The first victim, whom the accused allegedly raped on a table, was about 60 years old, estimated Manfred S. The judge then reproaches him, saying that he had estimated the woman to be about 40 years old in the BKA interrogation.
The first act seen on the videos did not take place in Brückner's house, said Manfred S. The defense then showed the witness a TV interview in which he claimed that both rapes had taken place in Brückner's house. He had recognized that on the videos.
The witness also made contradictory statements about whether the perpetrator was masked or not. Sometimes he claimed to have recognized the defendant by his voice, sometimes to have seen him clearly.
But that is not the end of the unpleasant day for the witness.
When asked by the judge, Manfred S. says that the day before he last spoke on the phone with his ex-accomplice Helge B., who is due to testify in court soon.
The defense asks how long this conversation lasted. When the witness could not remember this either, defense lawyer Dr. Friedrich Fülscher (39) requested that Manfred S.'s call list be disclosed. It turns out that the witnesses spoke to each other four times on the morning of the trial.
"Making phone calls to Helge B. is not a criminal offense," Judge Uta Inse Engemann warns the witness. "Making false statements is a criminal offense. What else is wrong that you need to clarify?"
The witness says meekly that he is not aware of anything else.
The trial will continue on March 14.
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Braunschweig - "I hope all this
is over soon."This is what witness Manfred S. (68) says this morning in Braunschweig District Court, meaning that the allegations against Christian Brückner (47) should finally be cleared up. The three rapes and the two cases of sexual abuse of children for which Brückner is on trial. And also the case of Maddie McCann (then 3), for whose disappearance the accused is allegedly responsible according to the public prosecutor's office. "I hope all this
is over soon" also sounds as if the witness was referring to his own questioning.For six hours this Friday morning, the judge, prosecutors and defense lawyers grilled the pensioner from Lüdenscheid.
In 2006, he and his friend Helge B. (53) broke into Brückner's bungalow in Portugal, where they stole a camera and video tapes, among other things. The tapes allegedly showed Brückner raping several women. Two of these crimes, whose victims are still unknown, have now been charged in Braunschweig. That is why Manfred S. is on the witness stand.
The pensioner is a difficult witness, his memory occasionally seems to let him down. He has already commented on the videos several times: during questioning by the BKA in 2018, at a trial against Brückner in 2019, in several TV interviews.
On this morning, he remembers some things differently than in previous statements.
The first victim, whom the accused allegedly raped on a table, was about 60 years old, estimated Manfred S. The judge then reproaches him, saying that he had estimated the woman to be about 40 years old in the BKA interrogation.
The first act seen on the videos did not take place in Brückner's house, said Manfred S. The defense then showed the witness a TV interview in which he claimed that both rapes had taken place in Brückner's house. He had recognized that on the videos.
The witness also made contradictory statements about whether the perpetrator was masked or not. Sometimes he claimed to have recognized the defendant by his voice, sometimes to have seen him clearly.
But that is not the end of the unpleasant day for the witness.
When asked by the judge, Manfred S. says that the day before he last spoke on the phone with his ex-accomplice Helge B., who is due to testify in court soon.
The defense asks how long this conversation lasted. When the witness could not remember this either, defense lawyer Dr. Friedrich Fülscher (39) requested that Manfred S.'s call list be disclosed. It turns out that the witnesses spoke to each other four times on the morning of the trial.
"Making phone calls to Helge B. is not a criminal offense," Judge Uta Inse Engemann warns the witness. "Making false statements is a criminal offense. What else is wrong that you need to clarify?"
The witness says meekly that he is not aware of anything else.
The trial will continue on March 14.
Maddie-Verdächtiger angeklagt: Zeuge muss Anrufliste vorzeigen
Manfred S. will Videos gesehen haben, auf denen Christian Brückner zwei Frauen vergewaltigt. Als Zeuge im Prozess musste er dem Gericht sein Handy zeigen.
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As it is the judge doesn't seem impressed.
And rightly so, IMO
His phone calls with his fellow witness smacks of collusion to me.
I would find it very strange to have more than one rapist in the same area committing crimes with the same MO. even though both witnesses hadn't heard anything before the DM rape trial, they both described similar MOs from the videos they allegedly saw. Therefore, I wouldn't really bet on their testimony to be really important for the trial... even if they don't remember details or if there are inconsistencies in their recollections, it is a fact they saw videos of CB committing rape with an MO that resembles what DM and HB went through. Jmo
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