Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #2

[Tekno]

it wasnt a crime to speak to him but its a crime to lie about it

They have been friends for decades. IMO.

 

[UK Girl]

They have been friends for decades. IMO.

I didnt say they hadnt but to lie in court which he did is wrong. He was the one that implied they hadnt had contact for some time and was pulled up in court for it.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I have no idea. It's for the judge, with all the facts at hand, to decide whether or not MS is a reliable witness as far as the attacks on the two unknown victims are concerned, particularly in the case of the young girl. If he fails to recall or contradicts details that he provided in the past, then yes, it's perfectly reasonable for both the judge and defence to call his credibility into question. And if it's the case that MS has a memory impairment, then it raises questions as to whether anything he says now can be used at all as evidence in these two cases.

I'm sure the judge knows what he's doing.

In any case, it's very difficult for us to know what, where and how significant the discrepancies in MS's accounts of what he witnessed on video are without transcripts of what he said back in 2019 (or whenever) and what he's saying now in 2024.

Yes but he was 20 years out on the age of one of the victims, he changed his statement to him not seeing the offender in the video, and he was found to have colluded with another witness.

IMO, the fact that the judge was asking the questions shows there are big differences between his evidence in this case and what he has previously said in recorded interviews and under oath.

 

[RichardKimble]

MS was accused of acting in collusion with HB but other questions were raised too regarding the defence team and their alleged conduct.

Snip
As the court was winding up for the day, out came a perhaps much more sinister claim which could backfire on the defence.

Madeleine McCann suspect’s friend tells a German court how he found ‘Head waiter’ Christian Brueckner’s violent rape videos ‘in which he starred’ - Olive Press News Spain

A FORMER friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has told a court how he found two violent 🤬🤬🤬🤬 movies made by him at his Portugal home.

www.theolivepress.es

MS accused FF of hacking into his Facebook account which due to the content, he believed had been an attempt to trace HB who is in the witness protection programme

Serious stuff if the allegation is substantiated. Certainly the judge and the prosecutor pricked their up their ears at the thought. MS wasn't able to substantiate his suspicion. But it will be checked.

German version, translated Deepl.
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Christian B. vor Landgericht Braunschweig: Das sagt der erste Zeuge

Im Vergewaltigungsprozess gegen den auch im Fall Maddie Verdächtigen ist am Freitag Manfred S. befragt worden. Er berichtete von zwei Videos.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

On the third day of the trial, the question raised by senior public prosecutor Ute Lindemann about the witness's Facebook account remained a mystery. As Manfred S. explained, a journalist and defense lawyer Friedrich Fülscher had come to Italy to talk to him in 2020. At their request, he had contacted Helge B. via Facebook. He was still in witness protection. "No one knew his whereabouts."

However, someone then contacted Helge B. via his Facebook account and in his name. "At some point, Helge realized that it wasn't me at all." Manfred S. has no explanation for this. When asked by the defense lawyer, he denied having given the journalist his Facebook password a few days after the conversation

 

[Mex]

it wasnt a crime to speak to him but its a crime to lie about it

Inexplicitly so. Particularly when he further appeared to confirm that he had been in Facebook contact with HB and that his account was later hacked.

Madeleine McCann suspect’s friend tells a German court how he found ‘Head waiter’ Christian Brueckner’s violent rape videos ‘in which he starred’ - Olive Press News Spain

A FORMER friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has told a court how he found two violent 🤬🤬🤬🤬 movies made by him at his Portugal home.

www.theolivepress.es

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Inexplicitly so. Particularly when he further appeared to confirm that he had been in Facebook contact with HB and that his account was later hacked.

Madeleine McCann suspect’s friend tells a German court how he found ‘Head waiter’ Christian Brueckner’s violent rape videos ‘in which he starred’ - Olive Press News Spain

A FORMER friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has told a court how he found two violent 🤬🤬🤬🤬 movies made by him at his Portugal home.

www.theolivepress.es

… “The Rat’s Lair!”

JC’s writing is so biased.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Inexplicitly so. Particularly when he further appeared to confirm that he had been in Facebook contact with HB and that his account was later hacked.

Madeleine McCann suspect’s friend tells a German court how he found ‘Head waiter’ Christian Brueckner’s violent rape videos ‘in which he starred’ - Olive Press News Spain

A FORMER friend of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has told a court how he found two violent 🤬🤬🤬🤬 movies made by him at his Portugal home.

www.theolivepress.es

The suggestion in the article that HeB held onto the videos is interesting.

It’s been suggested on here that those videos were in the possession of the BKA - certainly untrue.

Why would he keep them? Let’s remember that neither HeB nor MS ever reported CB for rape. Why not if they had complete proof? Why did HeB rat on him over MM in 2008 with seemingly no proof but not for the rapes which he had on video.

It seems daft to me that the prosecution indicted CB for these two crimes. I hope it’s not a reflection of their MM investigation.

 

[mrjitty]

Or the cost of living crisis? So many things that do not remotely suggest conversations that went along the lines of 'Holy s&it, remind me of what I should say again??'

But, in any case, contact between them is not a crime, as Judge Uta Inse Engemann said. HeB, now fully armed as to MS's missteps, may fare better when his turn comes.

I remember we speculated ages ago that this is why he is not charged with the 'italian woman'. MS is the only witness to it, and he is too dubious

 

[RichardKimble]

How far from the Ocean Club is the farmhouse/ house that CB lived in, JC has it 800 mtrs, (or close to half a mile.)

 

[Trivento]

How far from the Ocean Club is the farmhouse/ house that CB lived in, JC has it 800 mtrs, (or close to half a mile.)

Google maps measure says about 1390 mtrs ( straight line ) .
Maybe you already know .. but think has been said previously on here he was perhaps not staying in that farmhouse around early May 2007 .

 

[Denis R Tandib]

How far from the Ocean Club is the farmhouse/ house that CB lived in, JC has it 800 mtrs, (or close to half a mile.)

It’s 2km. JC will write anything he thinks sounds good.

I have it as 1.86km but can’t upload the image.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Google maps measure says about 1390 mtrs ( straight line ) .
Maybe you already know .. but think has been said previously on here he was perhaps not staying in that farmhouse around early May 2007 .

The difference might be straight line vs walking distance.

 

[RichardKimble]

Google maps measure says about 1390 mtrs ( straight line ) .
Maybe you already know .. but think has been said previously on here he was perhaps not staying in that farmhouse around early May 2007 .

With the itinerant lifestyle he could have stayed anywhere.But it it's between 2000 and 2006 according to the charges that matter at the mo .

 

[RichardKimble]

Google maps measure says about 1390 mtrs ( straight line ) .
Maybe you already know .. but think has been said previously on here he was perhaps not staying in that farmhouse around early May 2007 .

It’s 2km. JC will write anything he thinks sounds good.

I have it as 1.86km but can’t upload the image.

The difference might be straight line vs walking distance.

Well yes ,as the crow flies and actual distance are always some distance apart.

 

[C.greek]

Have been thinking about the victim's age discrepancy in their accounts. Personally, as years go by I guess people's ages differently. For example 20 years ago, say I was in my 20s, I would see someone who was 40 and I could say they look 60! Today, say I am in my 40s, if I see someone who is 40, I would guess it right... even 5 or 10 years ago my perception of someone's age was different. So, I personally wouldn't put too much weight on that discrepancy! Other things stand out more... jmo

 

[Davieson]

Have been thinking about the victim's age discrepancy in their accounts. Personally, as years go by I guess people's ages differently. For example 20 years ago, say I was in my 20s, I would see someone who was 40 and I could say they look 60! Today, say I am in my 40s, if I see someone who is 40, I would guess it right... even 5 or 10 years ago my perception of someone's age was different. So, I personally wouldn't put too much weight on that discrepancy! Other things stand out more... jmo

That might be so for someone you are seeing today, but this guy saw the video nearly 20 years ago, so I can't see his power of visual recall being so great that he could change his age assessment from when he first viewed the video.
I doubt he can even recall what she looked like after so many years.

 

[Anxala]

That might be so for someone you are seeing today, but this guy saw the video nearly 20 years ago, so I can't see his power of visual recall being so great that he could change his age assessment from when he first viewed the video.
I doubt he can even recall what she looked like after so many years.

Agree. But also, he provided this testimony in 2018, didn't he? So we're not talking about him having to recall events from 20 years ago, we're talking about him recalling what he said 5 years or so ago. That's where his recall of alleged events dates from. And since he provided it in court and under oath, he would surely have a clear memory and record of what he said at the time.

Which makes his 'forgetfulness' even more suspect unless he genuinely has some sort of memory impairment.

Or lost his crib sheet.

 

[Davieson]

Agree. But also, he provided this testimony in 2018, didn't he? So we're not talking about him having to recall events from 20 years ago, we're talking about him recalling what he said 5 years or so ago. That's where his recall of alleged events dates from. And since he provided it in court and under oath, he would surely have a clear memory and record of what he said at the time.

Which makes his 'forgetfulness' even more suspect unless he genuinely has some sort of memory impairment.

Or lost his crib sheet.

Question would be who might have provided a crib sheet ?

 

[Anxala]

Question would be who might have provided a crib sheet ?

Based on the reported nature of the trial to date, I feel pretty confident that the judge is very much on top of things.

I don't think we need worry that any potential/alleged nefarious doings behind the scenes on the part of anyone - witness, prosecution, defence - will pass unnoticed.

And that's all that matters, that the trial is being conducted and being seen to be conducted in what clearly seems to be the very professional way that it is.

 

[johnlair]

Pic shows Maddie suspect’s 'rape lair' with pole 'where he bound victim'

A DISTURBING photo revealed the inside of Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner’s lair – where he allegedly tied up and raped a young girl. Manfred Seyferth, a key witness in Bru…

www.thesun.co.uk

If you go down in this report it talks about the hard drive being handed over which they held onto for years to the defense team, I still wonder what does that hard drive from the box factory contain that made them suddenly convinced of her death.