Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #2

[Denis R Tandib]

That says USB stick not a hard drive but thanks.

I am not sure on the translation here but they do call the thumb drives in the US. Perhaps our Germans speakers could say whether a hard drive could actually be a USB stick.

 

[johnlair]

I am not sure on the translation here but they do call the thumb drives in the US. Perhaps our Germans speakers could say whether a hard drive could actually be a USB stick.

Yes you are right it's probably just a way of putting it. All the reports I read so far definitely mention multiple devices though not just the one with the word files containing his fantasy/documenting word files

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes you are right it's probably just a way of putting it. All the reports I read so far definitely mention multiple devices though not just the one with the word files containing his fantasy/documenting word files

I think it’s on an earlier thread on this forum but someone took a screen shot of the MWT documentary. It showed the police report that covered what was found. Might be worth a search if you’re keen.

 

[mrjitty]

Does the age issue not concern the case which didn't make the charge sheet? The 'Italian woman in her 40s'? The one he's now saying was in her 60s? I mean, obviously, it's contradictory, and I can see why it's being questioned, but if he's more or less accurate on the young girl and the elderly woman recollection, I can't see why the discrepancy in his recall would matter too much here. Or were there further discrepancies in his recall of the actual two cases which the trial is currently focused on?

Depending on how HeBs testimony goes it could call into question what was on the tapes. They both at least collaborate the young girl, but claim to have seen different older victims in different locations. Are they both right? Is one misremembering? Or both? It feels like you are now relying only on the evidence of HeB for that victim now IMO.

 

[johnlair]

I think it’s on an earlier thread on this forum but someone took a screen shot of the MWT documentary. It showed the police report that covered what was found. Might be worth a search if you’re keen.

Thanks

 

[Monic]

Have you got a source for that interview?,
MS has not done the prosecution team much favours if you ask me by his appearance in court but then again he is an alcoholic and hopefully that will be taken into consideration.
I'm sure she evidence lies upon that hard drive and the BKA can't just say it was him due to whoever is on them images or films being masked but if they can get witnesses that have never been shown these images or film to describe the same scenario without seeing the contents of the harddrive in advance that would certainly be credible.

Yes I have but it is in German
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[mrjitty]

On the contrary, the reps of the prosecution team are the ones at stake here. They're the ones who've spent the best part of the last 4 years claiming publicly and wildly irresponsibly that CB abducted and murdered MM. This trial outcome is crucial for them in terms of those claims being seen as credible. They and their case against CB is at the mercy of the judge, a judge BTW that, to date, seems less than impressed with the calibre of the prosecution's witnesses.

FF and his team are just doing their professional defence job.

I suspect he'll go down for the HB charge. It's hard to believe there is some other guy out there with this distinct MO, but the result will really depend how the witnesses and evidence stand up to scrutiny of course.

I also think this suggests what else they don't have, unless there is suppressed evidence somewhere. If they had firm digital/physical/forensic evidence of murder, it would come up here, IMO

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes I have but it is in German
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You can use auto translate on the subtitles to get an idea of what is being said.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I suspect he'll go down for the HB charge. It's hard to believe there is some other guy out there with this distinct MO, but the result will really depend how the witnesses and evidence stand up to scrutiny of course.

I also think this suggests what else they don't have, unless there is suppressed evidence somewhere. If they had firm digital/physical/forensic evidence of murder, it would come up here, IMO

BIB, then in that case, the solitary hair found in DM’s house has convicted him of both rapes.

Without it, I think the DM conviction would have been unlikely. Without the DM conviction, then the MO could not be linked to HaB.

It all seems so flimsy to me.

 

[mrjitty]

BIB, then in that case, the solitary hair found in DM’s house has convicted him of both rapes.

Without it, I think the DM conviction would have been unlikely. Without the DM conviction, then the MO could not be linked to HaB.

It all seems so flimsy to me.

The thing is though, they do have the hair, and the exact MO from the previous conviction. The combo of whip, disguise, video etc is quite a unique signature, even before you get to HaB's testimony. Indeed IMO it's more her description of events, rather than identification, that will nail him.

I feel it's a very good case.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The thing is though, they do have the hair, and the exact MO from the previous conviction. The combo of whip, disguise, video etc is quite a unique signature, even before you get to HaB's testimony. Indeed IMO it's more her description of events, rather than identification, that will nail him.

I feel it's a very good case.

Probably why FF is making a big deal about the scar.

If you get into the detail though, aren’t there difference? One blindfolded, the other not. One whipped with a metal item, the other with a whip. Is the filming so unique?

Don’t get me wrong, if he’s guilty, I want him convicted but it is possible that the hair got into DM’s house without CB being her attacker.

This guy: Mike DeBardeleben - Wikipedia
Filmed and photographed his offences.

I’m sure there would be more.

 

[Davieson]

Probably why FF is making a big deal about the scar.

If you get into the detail though, aren’t there difference? One blindfolded, the other not. One whipped with a metal item, the other with a whip. Is the filming so unique?

Don’t get me wrong, if he’s guilty, I want him convicted but it is possible that the hair got into DM’s house without CB being her attacker.

This guy: Mike DeBardeleben - Wikipedia
Filmed and photographed his offences.

I’m sure there would be more.

Another difference is that the young girls called him by name, so obviously knew him, whereas with the other victims he was anonymous
Unpleasant creature that he is, I cannot get away from the sneaking suspicion that he might just have been set up.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Another difference is that the young girls called him by name, so obviously knew him, whereas with the other victims he was anonymous

Yeah, I agree. The crimes with unknown victims seem different.

The most similar are DM and HaB yet even the victims are very different - one 20, the other 72. Perhaps this isn’t important but it does seem to be a glaring difference. Forget about CB and his supposed profile, how common is it for serial rapists to attack such different victims? I would guess, not that common.

 

[Mex]

I suspect he'll go down for the HB charge. It's hard to believe there is some other guy out there with this distinct MO, but the result will really depend how the witnesses and evidence stand up to scrutiny of course.

I also think this suggests what else they don't have, unless there is suppressed evidence somewhere. If they had firm digital/physical/forensic evidence of murder, it would come up here, IMO

CB is not on trial for murder. He is accused of five heinous sexual crimes and those are what will be reflected in the evidence.

 

[Monic]

MS knows who the girl on the pole is and will certainly have made this known to the police. So the girl can also confirm the video.
And probably witnesses too. I think it is the girl who lived with Brückner's friend NF.
That also explains why she knows him by name

 

[Anxala]

Yeah, I agree. The crimes with unknown victims seem different.

The most similar are DM and HaB yet even the victims are very different - one 20, the other 72. Perhaps this isn’t important but it does seem to be a glaring difference. Forget about CB and his supposed profile, how common is it for serial rapists to attack such different victims? I would guess, not that common.

Power, inflicting pain and humiliation on helpless people seems to be what he gets off on. Rape is not just about sex.

 

[Anxala]

MS knows who the girl on the pole is and will certainly have made this known to the police. So the girl can also confirm the video.
And probably witnesses too. I think it is the girl who lived with Brückner's friend NF.
That also explains why she knows him by name

The victim is unknown. If they knew who she was, her id (albeit protected) would be on the charge sheet, the approx date of the assault would be on the charge sheet, and she'd be a key witness here.

 

[Mex]

The thing is though, they do have the hair, and the exact MO from the previous conviction. The combo of whip, disguise, video etc is quite a unique signature, even before you get to HaB's testimony. Indeed IMO it's more her description of events, rather than identification, that will nail him.

I feel it's a very good case.

It is interesting that you should say that.

The HB rape was played down by the Portuguese police. As indeed was that of DM.

Snip
I was told at the time that I should just be quiet, that if I talked about what had happened I would bring bad publicity to the resort and put off the tourists.

Irish rape victim asks McCann detectives to review her case after hearing about new suspect

Woman says German man was convicted of sex assault bearing similarity to own ordeal

www.irishtimes.com

Despite the thorough recording of evidence in both cases - it just stopped there. They didn't appear to take it any further.
The least that could have been expected would have been a linking of both cases as having likely been perpetrated by the same unknown individual.

That could have paid long term dividends in a holiday resort plagued by home invasions over the years.

Snip from 2010
It is becoming apparent that burglar alarms, security grills and security lighting are effectively worthless when your home is the target of organised criminals as one homeowner from Carvoeiro found out on April 6.

While sleeping, the British resident, who asked to remain anonymous, was the victim of a burglary ...
...
“What I thought would never happen to us just did,” said the victim. “I used to pride myself on the safety of my home and friends and family even used to say that the house was like Fort Knox!”

He added: “We have the latest new double glazed windows with safety glass, a state of the art burglar alarm, lights that come on and off when you are not around, grills on all the bathroom windows and we set the alarm at night for the entire house except for our bedroom.”

The GNR were at the scene within 10 minutes of being called. “We have no complaints about the service we received from our local police. I just wish they would catch one of these criminals once in a while,” he said.

https://www.portugalresident.com/stopping-the-burglars/

 

[RichardKimble]

Who decided the order of the cases to be heard,also one would think MS is/was the prime prosecution witness, you wouldn't put the weakest first would you?

 

[Davieson]

Who decided the order of the cases to be heard,also one would think MS is/was the prime prosecution witness, you wouldn't put the weakest first would you?

I suppose order of play is in the hands of the presiding judge. They are already in possession of all the evidence, so no prosecution surprises are to be expected.