Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #2

[Mex]

If these were defence witnesses the prosecution would have a field day, prosecution witnesses ? seriously !.

Then it will be interesting to watch CB's defence team having a field day with the witnesses. Although I'm not quite sure if that is how German law works. Judges control proceedings and the inquisitorial system is a search for the truth, not grandstanding lawyers or prosecutors.

 

[Mex]

Really clever of police to identify that single incriminating hair from among all the other hairs (animal and human) that must have been in the property.
PJ must have been very thorough to have done that and not the bumbling police force of popular portrayal.

The Portuguese DNA database was established in 2008 and is one of the smallest DNA databases in the EU.

Portugal

The Portuguese DNA database was established in 2008 and is one of the smallest DNA databases in the EU. Portugal has one of the most restrictive regulatory frameworks in the EU in relation to the criteria for the entry and deletion of DNA profiles. The country...

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No checks were made by the Portuguese investigators at the time of the rape in 2005. Possibly because they had nothing to work with.

In 2004 when HB was raped there was no Portuguese data base for reference or for comparison to be made.

Same in 2005 when DM was raped in an uncannily similar manner to that of HB in 2004.

Nothing short of miraculous that a forensic sample harvested in 2005 by the Portuguese police was available to be used in the rape trial by German police
twelve years down the line in 2017.
Fortuitous also that CB was already in custody for his offence in the children's playground with children present and a mother who also happened to be an off duty police officer who promptly arrested him. Serendipity also that when the Portuguese police checked their arrestee they discovered that he was also wanted in Germany under a EAW for criminal offences regarding a former girlfriend's child.

The PJ investigated both rapes and in the case of DM retained some of the forensics. We don't know what if anything was retained from the 2004 investigation. But we are soon to find out.

 

[Davieson]

The Portuguese DNA database was established in 2008 and is one of the smallest DNA databases in the EU.

Portugal

The Portuguese DNA database was established in 2008 and is one of the smallest DNA databases in the EU. Portugal has one of the most restrictive regulatory frameworks in the EU in relation to the criteria for the entry and deletion of DNA profiles. The country...

link.springer.com

No checks were made by the Portuguese investigators at the time of the rape in 2005. Possibly because they had nothing to work with.

In 2004 when HB was raped there was no Portuguese data base for reference or for comparison to be made.

Same in 2005 when DM was raped in an uncannily similar manner to that of HB in 2004.

Nothing short of miraculous that a forensic sample harvested in 2005 by the Portuguese police was available to be used in the rape trial by German police
twelve years down the line in 2017.
Fortuitous also that CB was already in custody for his offence in the children's playground with children present and a mother who also happened to be an off duty police officer who promptly arrested him. Serendipity also that when the Portuguese police checked their arrestee they discovered that he was also wanted in Germany under a EAW for criminal offences regarding a former girlfriend's child.

The PJ investigated both rapes and in the case of DM retained some of the forensics. We don't know what if anything was retained from the 2004 investigation. But we are soon to find out.

Indeed. Incredible, almost bordering on the unbelievable. IMO

 

[Anxala]

CP’s evidence is that CB owned pornographic videos. I don’t understand why that is evidence, or even a crime.

He didn't even say that! JC is the one who's claiming this and manufacturing this unadulterated bullcrap. From CP:

“Then I saw some CDs stacked on top of one bag and I allowed myself to take a peek at two or three of them.
Each of them were carefully hand-written with labels in a CD pen. I don’t remember the exact details but nothing was labelled as paedophile content. It was mostly downloaded from the internet. I looked at one and some Brazilian (Portuguese) was being spoken. I didn’t look much longer.”

Even Wolters himself, if that's an actual quote from him, is clearly doubtful as to what use CP (the IT expert living in Cambodia under an assumed name) will be to anyone.

“I’m not sure how helpful it is in this case. That’s up to the judge.”

 

[Davieson]

He didn't even say that! JC is the one who's claiming this and manufacturing this unadulterated bullcrap. From CP:


Even Wolters himself, if that's an actual quote from him, is clearly doubtful as to what use CP (the IT expert living in Cambodia under an assumed name) will be to anyone.

“I’m not sure how helpful it is in this case. That’s up to the judge.”

Strange thing for a prosecutor to say about one of the prosecution witnesses. Is there dissent in the camp?

 

[Anxala]

The prosecution it could be argued with the dearth of seeming evidence in the two unidentified victims are using witnesses that knew CB and using bad character.What else is CP saying with the alleged destruction of 80 sex tapes that allegedly belonged to CB.
But caution ought be added its the OP and author JC.

Obviously, we have to wait and see what the reality of CP's contribution to this trial is, and most certainly should not rely upon anything the Olive Press says, but my impression is that he's there only to fill in some of the colours of the picture already painted by the prosecution and its two key witnesses to date. JMO.

We'll see what's what when the trial resumes.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Indeed. Incredible, almost bordering on the unbelievable. IMO

IIRC, there were only two hairs from the crime that could be tested for DNA. They belonged to CB and DM.

With the up-thread post, police weren’t collect forensic evidence for DNA evidence in 2005 because there was no database. Even more remarkable, CB’s hair was found in other evidence.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The below confirms the dark eyes and poor Portuguese.

Another inconsistency with the HaB case is the length of the attack - several hours vs 15 mins.

Without the hair, is there any other evidence pointing to CB in the DM case?

Widow, 72, raped by Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B told cops 'I feared I was going to die'

THE widow raped by Madeleine McCann prime suspect Christian B feared he would kill her during a horrific 15-minute ordeal. The American woman, aged 72, was beaten with a razor-sharp sword after the…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Denis R Tandib]

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[UK Girl]

Agreed , criminals have a code of ethic to a certain point. However when it’s rape and assaults against children it’s not all surprising that their loyalties change. It was interesting to hear from CB girlfriend Marina , she was obviously close enough to CB at the time that he trusted her enough to oversee what was taken and saved from the Yellow House .

how much has HB made from his exclusives? just curious? Has his loyalties changed for the right reasons or from the gain from doing so?

 

[Mex]

IIRC, there were only two hairs from the crime that could be tested for DNA. They belonged to CB and DM.

With the up-thread post, police weren’t collect forensic evidence for DNA evidence in 2005 because there was no database. Even more remarkable, CB’s hair was found in other evidence.

CB was extradited to Germany for offences regarding a minor in Germany when the arresting Portuguese police were in the process of investigating an assault on minors at a playground in Portugal and discovered he was subject of an EAW.
Snip
The EAW is a fast track extradition procedure between EU Member States. A Member State can make a request when they want to prosecute or imprison a person who is in another Member State. The EAW is based on the principle of ‘mutual recognition’ of judgments between Member States.

Mutual recognition means the authorities in one Member State can arrest and ‘surrender’ a person to another Member State. They do this on the basis of a request from a judicial authority in the other Member State. The process is concluded with minimal inquiry into the basis of that request.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit-next-steps-the-european-arrest-warrant/

CB has a proven police record of predatorial assaults against women whatever their age. All that is required is that they are vulnerable.

The fact remains that any concern you might have about the security of the evidence are unfounded when balanced out by the integrity of the personnel involved in harvesting it, evaluating and safeguarding it.
The Portuguese scientists might not have had access to their own DNA national database in 2005. But they did know the protocols for preserving forensic samples; indeed some were experts in the field as proven by the forensic detail they were able to share with the Germans which was indeed vital for identifying DM's assailant without a doubt.
Snip
Further evidence of a struggle includes injury to the victim; these photographs are normally taken at the hospital.

Preserve the bedding, or any other object on which the rape took place, and send it to the crime lab for analysis. The contact between the victim and the perpetrator may have resulted in the transfer of physical evidence in the form of semen, blood, hairs, skin fibers or other trace evidence, which will prove vital in identifying the assailant and/or prosecuting the case.

Properly collect all such evidence, including the clothing and undergarments worn by the victim. Evidence technicians use oblique and ultraviolet light to help spot hair and fibers, and blue light to assist in detecting semen.

Investigating Rape Crimes, Part 2: Evidence collection and analysis

The value of evidence is limited in court unless investigators take care to properly collect, preserve and analyze it

www.police1.com

 

[mrjitty]

Indeed. Incredible, almost bordering on the unbelievable. IMO

This kind of cold case closure is actually fairly typical in the US where rape kits were often not even processed back in the day.

The usual chain of events is unknown assailant did rape(s) years back, then is later caught - e.g for murder. Then the DNA is matched and cold case is also closed.

So IMO, its quite typical they had that hair + profile on file, and could only close it later when a match was made.

 

[RichardKimble]

This kind of cold case closure is actually fairly typical in the US where rape kits were often not even processed back in the day.

The usual chain of events is unknown assailant did rape(s) years back, then is later caught - e.g for murder. Then the DNA is matched and cold case is also closed.

So IMO, its quite typical they had that hair + profile on file, and could only close it later when a match was made.

So it's likely CB's DNA was not in a data base at least in Portugal.

 

[JB1510]

This kind of cold case closure is actually fairly typical in the US where rape kits were often not even processed back in the day.

The usual chain of events is unknown assailant did rape(s) years back, then is later caught - e.g for murder. Then the DNA is matched and cold case is also closed.

So IMO, its quite typical they had that hair + profile on file, and could only close it later when a match was made.

Fingers crossed they did, after the June 2020 appeal HB contacted the Met who asked the PJ to locate her file . The 110 page document was held at Portimao court where items such as scissors used to cut off her clothing ,false nails , a shirt on which blood was found these items were tested for DNA . Swabs were also taken . However in March 2007 these items were destroyed under orders of the judiciary due to being “kept under adverse conditions “ . The remaining evidence was destroyed in 2009. I hope you are right and something useful is still on file .

 

[Denis R Tandib]

CB was extradited to Germany for offences regarding a minor in Germany when the arresting Portuguese police were in the process of investigating an assault on minors at a playground in Portugal and discovered he was subject of an EAW.
Snip
The EAW is a fast track extradition procedure between EU Member States. A Member State can make a request when they want to prosecute or imprison a person who is in another Member State. The EAW is based on the principle of ‘mutual recognition’ of judgments between Member States.

Mutual recognition means the authorities in one Member State can arrest and ‘surrender’ a person to another Member State. They do this on the basis of a request from a judicial authority in the other Member State. The process is concluded with minimal inquiry into the basis of that request.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/brexit-next-steps-the-european-arrest-warrant/

CB has a proven police record of predatorial assaults against women whatever their age. All that is required is that they are vulnerable.

The fact remains that any concern you might have about the security of the evidence are unfounded when balanced out by the integrity of the personnel involved in harvesting it, evaluating and safeguarding it.
The Portuguese scientists might not have had access to their own DNA national database in 2005. But they did know the protocols for preserving forensic samples; indeed some were experts in the field as proven by the forensic detail they were able to share with the Germans which was indeed vital for identifying DM's assailant without a doubt.
Snip
Further evidence of a struggle includes injury to the victim; these photographs are normally taken at the hospital.

Preserve the bedding, or any other object on which the rape took place, and send it to the crime lab for analysis. The contact between the victim and the perpetrator may have resulted in the transfer of physical evidence in the form of semen, blood, hairs, skin fibers or other trace evidence, which will prove vital in identifying the assailant and/or prosecuting the case.

Properly collect all such evidence, including the clothing and undergarments worn by the victim. Evidence technicians use oblique and ultraviolet light to help spot hair and fibers, and blue light to assist in detecting semen.

Investigating Rape Crimes, Part 2: Evidence collection and analysis

The value of evidence is limited in court unless investigators take care to properly collect, preserve and analyze it

www.police1.com

Your cite has nothing to do with the Portuguese LE.

Please provide a source to support the below.

CB has a proven police record of predatorial assaults against women whatever their age. All that is required is that they are vulnerable.

The only record CB has of predatorial assault against women is the crime against DM. Which was obtained by one hair at the crime scene.

It is however a fact that CB is an opportunist child molester and therefore a complete .

My only concern with all this stuff is that he may not be the that committed all these crimes, especially the MM crime which I am interested in.

 

[Davieson]

Fingers crossed they did, after the June 2020 appeal HB contacted the Met who asked the PJ to locate her file . The 110 page document was held at Portimao court where items such as scissors used to cut off her clothing ,false nails , a shirt on which blood was found these items were tested for DNA . Swabs were also taken . However in March 2007 these items were destroyed under orders of the judiciary due to being “kept under adverse conditions “ . The remaining evidence was destroyed in 2009. I hope you are right and something useful is still on file .

Even if the physical items were destroyed, test results from these items are not subject to degradation and would likely be kept.

 

[RichardKimble]

Even if the physical items were destroyed, test results from these items are not subject to degradation and would likely be kept.

Very often the items are destroyed or compromised when they are in the Lab in search of forensics.

 

[JB1510]

Even if the physical items were destroyed, test results from these items are not subject to degradation and would likely be kept.

I hope so ,just odd evidence was destroyed on such a serious crime after only 2 and 4 years respectively.

 

[RichardKimble]

Your cite has nothing to do with the Portuguese LE.

Please provide a source to support the below.

CB has a proven police record of predatorial assaults against women whatever their age. All that is required is that they are vulnerable.

The only record CB has of predatorial assault against women is the crime against DM. Which was obtained by one hair at the crime scene.

It is however a fact that CB is an opportunist child molester and therefore a complete .

My only concern with all this stuff is that he may not be the that committed all these crimes, especially the MM crime which I am interested in.

From what we've heard so far, previous cases of which CB is not on trial for don't even feature .

 

[RichardKimble]

As an aside I see after this Thursday hearing nothing until after Easter then 8 dates in April and 11 in May.