Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #3

[JB1510]

Yes I think so and it would corroborate. But I don’t think this will be enough evidence.

Agreed , these two were always going to be tough .

 

[JB1510]

The article started teen girls, who screamed and CB ran away, it's all allegations.

I was referring to the alleged filmed rape at the Yellow House rather than the home invasion where girls were sleeping .

 

[JB1510]

The hearing was delayed at the start after the defence demanded to see statements made by the witness to police in 2019 when he was questioned as part of the McCann investigation. He has reportedly denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Did they get it?

The Netflix documentary supposedly set alarm bells ringing with MT when details of a pock marked individual was mentioned and also the bogus charity worker knocking on doors. I am unaware if this was before or after the BKA interviewed him.

 

[RichardKimble]

The Netflix documentary supposedly set alarm bells ringing with MT when details of a pock marked individual was mentioned and also the bogus charity worker knocking on doors. I am unaware if this was before or after the BKA interviewed him.

A reward of 10,000 euros wouldn't influence anyone either.

 

[UK Girl]

The hearing was delayed at the start after the defence demanded to see statements made by the witness to police in 2019 when he was questioned as part of the McCann investigation. He has reportedly denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Did they get it?

I have no idea tbh

 

[Niner]

Madeleine McCann investigation could suffer setback as a key witness is 'dying from cancer'

Main suspect Christian B is currently on trial for unrelated sex crimes - three rapes and two sex assaults - which he denies.

news.sky.com

They say HeB has terminal cancer. I know he is supposed to be back in June - why do not they call him back sooner - then case would not be in jeopardy!

 

[UK Girl]

They say HeB has terminal cancer. I know he is supposed to be back in June - why do not they call him back sooner - then case would not be in jeopardy!

I think it's more of the MM case that would be in jeopardy although ...from what's said two months does seem a long time in the circumstances

 

[Anxala]

I think it's more of the MM case that would be in jeopardy although ...from what's said two months does seem a long time in the circumstances

I don't think HeB has anything more to offer. Or MS for that matter. We've been reading what both have said for nearly four years now and nothing new of any significance has emerged in this trial. There are no bombshells-in-waiting here, they're both pretty much exhausted and done as witnesses. The cow has been milked dry.

Any future hearsay or opinion on either of their parts, if that happens, will be just opportunistic noise and will be recognised by the court as such, and won't play any role in moving either the cases in this trial or the BKA's case against CB in relation to MM forward.

 

[Lilly b]

I don't think HeB has anything more to offer. Or MS for that matter. We've been reading what both have said for nearly four years now and nothing new of any significance has emerged in this trial. There are no bombshells-in-waiting here, they're both pretty much exhausted and done as witnesses. The cow has been milked dry.

Any future hearsay or opinion on either of their parts, if that happens, will be just opportunistic noise and will be recognised by the court as such, and won't play any role in moving either the cases in this trial or the BKA's case against CB in relation to MM forward.

Maybe nothing new has been said, but let's take the 'she didn't scream '. It's a case of either we believe he said it or not, so who would we all believe?
There's lots of cases that don't a conviction, just because there's not enough proof, not because someone isn't guilty

 

[Davieson]

Maybe nothing new has been said, but let's take the 'she didn't scream '. It's a case of either we believe he said it or not, so who would we all believe?
There's lots of cases that don't a conviction, just because there's not enough proof, not because someone isn't guilty

And there are plenty of cases where people have been convicted and subsequently proved to be innocent.

 

[mrjitty]

Maybe nothing new has been said, but let's take the 'she didn't scream '. It's a case of either we believe he said it or not, so who would we all believe?
There's lots of cases that don't a conviction, just because there's not enough proof, not because someone isn't guilty

I have no reason to doubt he said it. The problem is what did he mean by it. It's not exactly a killer piece of evidence, but could be useful if they have a lot of other circumstantial evidence?

 

[UK Girl]

Maybe nothing new has been said, but let's take the 'she didn't scream '. It's a case of either we believe he said it or not, so who would we all believe?
There's lots of cases that don't a conviction, just because there's not enough proof, not because someone isn't guilty

On its own it doesn't mean much tbh Imo. It doesn't mean he is necessarily she didn't scream and he knows first hand. It can simply mean no one said they heard her screaming

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Maybe nothing new has been said, but let's take the 'she didn't scream '. It's a case of either we believe he said it or not, so who would we all believe?
There's lots of cases that don't a conviction, just because there's not enough proof, not because someone isn't guilty

I found it interesting that in the Sky article above, the statement was “She didn’t scream when I took her”. Previously, it has just been “She didn’t scream”.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I have no reason to doubt he said it. The problem is what did he mean by it. It's not exactly a killer piece of evidence, but could be useful if they have a lot of other circumstantial evidence?

If he said”… when so took her” that is far more of an admission than saying “She didn’t scream”.

The latter could just be him repeating hearsay or inferring what happened. From the Bild interview with HeB, I am sure CB never admitted to taking MM. it’s troubling that it’s now being reported that way.

In any event, as you say it’s only part of the required evidence.

 

[onemoremiletogo]

Still chewing the same piece of innocuous gum...but still hoping this could keep marinating before start grilling (him)...

 

[RichardKimble]

If he said”… when so took her” that is far more of an admission than saying “She didn’t scream”.

The latter could just be him repeating hearsay or inferring what happened. From the Bild interview with HeB, I am sure CB never admitted to taking MM. it’s troubling that it’s now being reported that way.

In any event, as you say it’s only part of the required evidence.

The most telling piece missing from all his mates is the deposition site, if he took her, the three talk of him boasting or saying this that the other but nothing of real note.

 

[RichardKimble]

Still chewing the same piece of innocuous gum...but still hoping this could keep marinating before start grilling (him)...

He won't be taking the stand, the onus is on the prosecution, from what we've heard so far from the three ex mates in the two unidentified rapes, its I saw this ,he told me that and the other didn't want to watch it all.None of them like CB,so what ,dare say they're not likeable, the difference being they're not in the dock.CB could well be the most obnoxious individual, but its evidence required not personality traits.All opinion.

 

[RichardKimble]

I don't think HeB has anything more to offer. Or MS for that matter. We've been reading what both have said for nearly four years now and nothing new of any significance has emerged in this trial. There are no bombshells-in-waiting here, they're both pretty much exhausted and done as witnesses. The cow has been milked dry.

Any future hearsay or opinion on either of their parts, if that happens, will be just opportunistic noise and will be recognised by the court as such, and won't play any role in moving either the cases in this trial or the BKA's case against CB in relation to MM forward.

The trouble is its coming third hand, relayed in German in court, translated then put to print from probably a Bot in this day and age.

 

[RichardKimble]

On its own it doesn't mean much tbh Imo. It doesn't mean he is necessarily she didn't scream and he knows first hand. It can simply mean no one said they heard her screaming

Exactly it could have posed as a question, it's all about the context of the conversation in a bar with possibly alcohol involved.

 

[Anxala]

The trouble is its coming third hand, relayed in German in court, translated then put to print from probably a Bot in this day and age.

Yes but we seem to be forgetting here that the court is in possession of full transcripts of what all three witnessess have said and claim to have seen. That and what they say in court is what the judges will base their eventual rulings on, not media reporting.