Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #4

[Deleted member 268165]

A decision next Wednesday.

The court will announce on Wednesday whether the Maddie suspect's written rape fantasies may play a role in this trial.

Writing rape fantasies is only a part of a "profile". I am waiting to see more solid evidence/proof in MM case. Still womdering if CB had or not an involvement in MM crime.

 

[Davieson]

That is the point.

Why would the prosecution use irrelevant (to these five cases) evidence? The content of the emails are allegedly about MM and the argument about the admissibility centres on whether or not evidence found in the investigation of CB concerning another missing child.
Why are either of those cases being aired in the five case trial of the moment?

Almost every objection made by the defence is a 'spoiler' which has absolutely no relevance to the present trial in progress.
The defence have made the series of complaints and it would appear that the court is obliged to give consideration to each and every one which they are doing with great diligence.

Given that there is little information emanating from the court - with certain witnesses being recalled - with uncertainty about who has testified and who has not the process can be quite perplexing.
Particularly the defence preoccupation with a case(s) for which no charges have been led as yet.

Have they thrown in the towel on the argument for the five charges made against CB in this trial realising a lost cause when they see one (or five?).
My opinion

Given the robust nature with which the defence have questioned prosecution witnesses, I don't think the defence has thrown in the towel over anything.
They are attempting to have discounted as much evidence against CB as they can, which is exactly what defence lawyers do.

If the Prosecution don't intend to use any of this email evidence in the current trial, why did they bring forth a police witness to mention it in the first place ?
There would seem to me no justification at all in mentioning the secret 'murder' email address at all.

 

[Davieson]

Writing rape fantasies is only a part of a "profile". I am waiting to see more solid evidence/proof in MM case. Still womdering if CB had or not an involvement in MM crime.

I thought a profile was generally drawn up to help identity a possible suspect, not after one had already been identified.

 

[Mex]

Given the robust nature with which the defence have questioned prosecution witnesses, I don't think the defence has thrown in the towel over anything.
They are attempting to have discounted as much evidence against CB as they can, which is exactly what defence lawyers do.

If the Prosecution don't intend to use any of this email evidence in the current trial, why did they bring forth a police witness to mention it in the first place ?

There is simply no argument against your post because there isn't the information available to make one.

I have never known five different trials to be merged into one. Whether that has led to confusion remains to be seen.

Why do you say that the prosecution introduced witnesses? Did they? Or were some of these witnesses introduced by the defence including police witnesses?

Where did you get the information about which witnesses were called by the prosecution and which by the defence? For example HB. Was she being examined by the defence before her own prosecution case has been made. Is that why we know she will return to testify and make her own case. I don't know just as I don't know the reason why she is scheduled to return.

 

[UK Girl]

There is simply no argument against your post because there isn't the information available to make one.

I have never known five different trials to be merged into one. Whether that has led to confusion remains to be seen.

Why do you say that the prosecution introduced witnesses? Did they? Or were some of these witnesses introduced by the defence including police witnesses?

Where did you get the information about which witnesses were called by the prosecution and which by the defence? For example HB. Was she being examined by the defence before her own prosecution case has been made. Is that why we know she will return to testify and make her own case. I don't know just as I don't know the reason why she is scheduled to return.

in some cases we know who called who ie HB was a prosecution witness as we have been told enough times. Likewise we know that the defence wanted the OG cop, Edgar and I think the bar manageress and I think the ex BKA worker.

 

[Davieson]

There is simply no argument against your post because there isn't the information available to make one.

I have never known five different trials to be merged into one. Whether that has led to confusion remains to be seen.

Why do you say that the prosecution introduced witnesses? Did they? Or were some of these witnesses introduced by the defence including police witnesses?

Where did you get the information about which witnesses were called by the prosecution and which by the defence? For example HB. Was she being examined by the defence before her own prosecution case has been made. Is that why we know she will return to testify and make her own case. I don't know just as I don't know the reason why she is scheduled to return.

I made an assumption, which was perhaps wrong

 

[Mex]

I thought a profile was generally drawn up to help identity a possible suspect, not after one had already been identified.

Only CB's close circle knew enough about him to make any sort of profile regarding him and even they did not associate sexual predation as one of his attributes.

Profiles were made prior to CB's identification by his friends.

Janosch made one many years ago in which he researched and concentrated on burglaries in relation to MM's abduction.

Private investigators hired by MM's parents also carried out profiling.
Other profiles were made by Scotland Yard prior to MM's case being opened and by the Policia Judiciaria prior to them reopening their investigation in 2013. Both investigations featured a sexual predator/burglar.

Basically, a profile was all they had to go on.

 

[Mex]

in some cases we know who called who ie HB was a prosecution witness as we have been told enough times. Likewise we know that the defence wanted the OG cop, Edgar and I think the bar manageress and I think the ex BKA worker.

It certainly is very difficult to decide just what is going on. In fact I'm beginning to wonder if the prosecution case proper has begun. Wish we had a German law expert to advise us.

 

[UK Girl]

It certainly is very difficult to decide just what is going on. In fact I'm beginning to wonder if the prosecution case proper has begun. Wish we had a German law expert to advise us.

Considering there are five cases and still witnesses left to go...there isnt even going to be a lot of time left if the prosecution case hasnt begun and thats without the defence side

 

[mrjitty]

Writing rape fantasies is only a part of a "profile". I am waiting to see more solid evidence/proof in MM case. Still womdering if CB had or not an involvement in MM crime.

I don't see the probative value of it personally. We already know he is a rapist. The writings don't prove anything additional.

 

[mrjitty]

Considering there are five cases and still witnesses left to go...there isnt even going to be a lot of time left if the prosecution case hasnt begun and thats without the defence side

The two sides don't put on cases.

 

[UK Girl]

The two sides don't put on cases.

thats what I thought tbh ands thank you for confirming that

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes but where did the email address for which they got a subpoena come from? You need an address to get a subpoena and the address was unlikely to be [email protected]. Do you see what I mean? Was the email address found amongst the data on the usbs from the box factory haul or did the BKA come by it from a completely separate wing of its investigation? That's what we don't know.

And if it did come from a completely separate and legal wing of its investigation, then why has it come up in a trial that has nothing whatsoever to do with MM?

Someone posted on here ages ago that the Skype conversation with PS was intercepted at the kiosk - via wifi I think.

The media article from earlier today said that HW (CB) had used his email address to log into his Skype account.

This could be how they got the email details.

 

[RichardKimble]

He wasn’t that careful, his disgusting chat with PS was on a Skype chat, not in the darkweb.

Yet we're led to believe he's managed to be involved in the disappearance of MM, evading all until possibly 2017 ish, although he was questioned in 2013.

 

[Davieson]

Yet we're led to believe he's managed to be involved in the disappearance of MM, evading all until possibly 2017 ish, although he was questioned in 2013.

Master criminal isn't he.
Mind you, most master criminals are more successful and live a life of luxury rather than the peripatetic life of a hobo .

 

[JB1510]

Much simpler than that, a transient sexual sadist who’s only criminal record in Portugal is for stealing diesel.

 

[JB1510]

Someone posted on here ages ago that the Skype conversation with PS was intercepted at the kiosk - via wifi I think.

The media article from earlier today said that HW (CB) had used his email address to log into his Skype account.

This could be how they got the email details.

Worse than that , even though CB worked/lived at the Kiosk he was registered at a nearby flat.He used a neighbours Wi-Fi to log into Skype with and chat with FS .The BKA kicked in the door of the neighbour seizing items , the other tenants believed they were after the neighbour when in fact it was CB .

 

[RichardKimble]

So under a paywall, it's stated the police never said in court that they had e-mail evidence only that .......

In fact, the policeman had only stated that e-mails and hard drive had been evaluated with a view to both investigative complexes - but he would not give any information about ongoing investigations in the "homicide".

Christian B. - Richterin hinterfragt Arbeit des BKA

Prozesstag 24: War die Ermittler so auf den Maddie-Verdächtigen fokussiert, dass sie keinen Raum für Zweifel aufkommen lassen wollten? Die Verteidiger legen sich mit der britischen Boulevardpresse an.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

Oh and the defence have issued a cease and desist on the brit press.

 

[Niner]

So under a paywall, it's stated the police never said in court that they had e-mail evidence only that .......

In fact, the policeman had only stated that e-mails and hard drive had been evaluated with a view to both investigative complexes - but he would not give any information about ongoing investigations in the "homicide".

Christian B. - Richterin hinterfragt Arbeit des BKA

Prozesstag 24: War die Ermittler so auf den Maddie-Verdächtigen fokussiert, dass sie keinen Raum für Zweifel aufkommen lassen wollten? Die Verteidiger legen sich mit der britischen Boulevardpresse an.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

Oh and the defence have issued a cease and desist on the brit press.

Was there another BKA official that testified today? That is what I am getting from other articles I have seen. And this article goes into more of the defense issuing the cease & desist.

Christian Brueckner lawyers: Investigators illegally obtained evidence

German police were handed Brueckner's hard-drive by an unnamed female witness in Portugal containing sickening cartoons allegedly penned by Brueckner.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[RichardKimble]

Was there another BKA official that testified today? That is what I am getting from other articles I have seen. And this article goes into more of the defense issuing the cease & desist.

Christian Brueckner lawyers: Investigators illegally obtained evidence

German police were handed Brueckner's hard-drive by an unnamed female witness in Portugal containing sickening cartoons allegedly penned by Brueckner.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It seems as if another officer testified, about questioning MS in Greece .