Kathleen Savio's death #2

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  • #141
The phone calls would indicate on the cell phone records that they were most likely made from the home phone.

Mark said that Stacy woke up in the middle of the night and looked all over the house and couldn't find DP. She then made several calls to his cell phone, which went directly to voice mail.

JMHO
fran

You missed my point. Even if there were phone calls, Furhman is not going to testify regarding them nor is the pastor or Stacy.

There would be nothing dispositive in phone calls without the caller testifying to detailed circumstances.
 
  • #142
Drew isn't being Drew when it comes to Cassandra..I think he is afraid of her.

LOL, and he should be afraid of her, Cassandra IS the MAJOR THORN in Drew's behind !! :-)

ACR
 
  • #143
You are right ACandyRose.

My next question is were the cadaver dogs there during the first search warrant or the second?
 
  • #144
You missed my point. Even if there were phone calls, Furhman is not going to testify regarding them nor is the pastor or Stacy.

There would be nothing dispositive in phone calls without the caller testifying to detailed circumstances.

The bottom line is, why would a call come from Stacy's/home phone to Drews phone if Drew was home? Why would you be calling your spouse over and over in the middle of the night when they are supposedly asleep next to you? The only people who need to testify regarding that is Nextel regarding the accuracies of their records. And LE to testify as to what Stacy told them where Drew was. All the D.A needs to do is compare.
 
  • #145
I have nothing but contempt for DP! He's a sick, twisted, sorry excuse for a human being. He's a dirty cop and had to have help from his fellow police officers and other crooked cops to cover up the murder. quote]

Have you seen the latest story about the canal search/telephone pinging? http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/698356,4_1_JO15_PETERSON_S1.article

In this article, a "police source" sounds awfully hostile to the case, and I don't mean towards Drew, either. quotes from this "source":
"Why didn't that come out the first day?" he said of the alleged August [gun] incident. "Now it's like they're just making stuff up."
" and


The law enforcement source went on to dismiss reports of police searching for rectangular blue containers supposedly missing from the Peterson's home.
"I'm not (looking for them)," the source said. "Nobody else seems to be."

It would be interesting to find out who this source is. Could be someone who has helped or is helping Drew.

The "police source" seems to be completely missing the fact or ignoring the fact that the BB Chief has already said that he was told about the gunshot in the very first report. So yeah, I would say this isn't a "friendly" source.
 
  • #146
Wouldn't the cell phone ping whether he answered it or not? I thought that as long as the phone is turned on, it pings.

Besides, even though Drew obviously put years of thought in to how to get away with the next murder, nobody is perfect. Whe your phone rings, the reflex is to answer it. He was stressed, he answered it.

Susan

you are correct, TGI:)
 
  • #147
you are correct, TGI:)

And Drew probably figured that all he would have to say is...I was out looking for Stacy's car. Which is what he did tell Cassandra.
 
  • #148
And Drew probably figured that all he would have to say is...I was out looking for Stacy's car. Which is what he did tell Cassandra.

exactly...if his phone was on, he obviously didn't care about the pings...
 
  • #149
Suzi...thanks for clearing up the thing about the special agent....i think i have it straight in my mind now:)
 
  • #150
Suzi...thanks for clearing up the thing about the special agent....i think i have it straight in my mind now:)

Well that's good you do, because I don't think I do! lol, seriously though, I still want to know more about who the original agent was and why he was suddenly replaced. It seems like alot of people in this case go on "vacations".
 
  • #151
Ah Ha...........I found everyone! :) I wondered why no one was discussing Greta's program tonight and Mark Fuhrman's new information! :) I posted to the thread on Stacy and saw no discussion there on the program.

Mark Fuhrman is bringing details in with the new information that dovetail with what is known. I think Kathleen Savio's murder is coming together thanks to the sleuthing of Mark. Although the pastor's information can't be used in a trial because it's hearsay, if the cell phone records are found and show numerous calls to DP's cell phone that night, that blows DP's alibi completely.

I have nothing but contempt for DP! He's a sick, twisted, sorry excuse for a human being. He's a dirty cop and had to have help from his fellow police officers and other crooked cops to cover up the murder. I can't believe the investigating officers were so inept that they didn't get the telephone records. This was clearly suppression of evidence, and they did very little to investigate. Having a police officer who wasn't present at the crime scene or autopsy testify, and having a police officer on the coroner's jury all smacks of cover up.


lol, yeah Lelia...most of the Greta discussion was here on this thread because her show focused primarily on what Mark F discussed about Kathleen's death...nothing new about Stacy, from what i watched..the canal search/draining wasn't even mentioned....

& yes...Kathleen's death surely smacks of cover up!.....i hope justice finally prevails for her & her family...
 
  • #152
Well that's good you do, because I don't think I do! lol, seriously though, I still want to know more about who the original agent was and why he was suddenly replaced. It seems like alot of people in this case go on "vacations".

there simply was no investigation, imo....LE took DP's word for it all...she was on medication, she had heart problems, yada yada yada....course the autopsy showed NONE of this....them good ole' boys simply didn't want to fool with an investigation into her death because one of their own 'investigated' it for them...ya know how Drew's a "good guy" & all; he surely wouldn't kill her & lie about it......makes me sick:furious:
 
  • #153
You are right ACandyRose.

My next question is were the cadaver dogs there during the first search warrant or the second?

Not sure if they were there on 10/29 DeltaDawn, since it was a consentual and not search warrant search I doubt dogs were there, but JMO.

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On 10/29/07 Peterson allowed ISP a limited consentual search of residence, but not Stacy's Grand Prix. Don't know if dogs were used then or if any crime scene photos were taken then.

On 10/30/07 ??

On 10/31/07 ??

On 11/01/07 ISP served search warrant and dogs were at this search. I *assume* this is when the dogs hit on the bedroom but don't know for sure. It was right after this search that the media was reporting the dog hit in the bedroom as well as the pond by Clow Airport. This was the BIG search so it would only make sense to be taking crime scene photos.

On 11/06/07 ISP served search warrant apparently looking for the missing Apple Laptop. Media reported that neighbors said that ISP "had nylon bag and a camera" so *assume* they took more photos. I do not recall media mentionig any dogs during this search.

On 11/23/07:
[FoxNews Tera Williams reports]: "A person who was questioned tells us they were not asked about the blue barrol but rather about Stacy Peterson's missing night stand. They tell us state police say they have two sets of pictures from inside Drew Peterson's home and in the second set, Stacy Peterson's night stand is gone."

On 11/26/07:
November 26th, 2007 2:32 PM Eastern, "My conversation with Drew," by Laura Ingle, "I’ve talked to people who have been questioned by investigators about Drew and Stacy’s bedroom furniture. One person reportedly has said that they saw Drew carry out a nightstand that was there when cops originally took pictures inside their house after she vanished, and then when they went back to take more pictures, it was gone. A neighbor who knows Stacy well, was asked by the cops to draw the layout of the furniture in that room on a piece of paper." http://lowdown.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/26/my-conversation-with-drew/

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ACR
 
  • #154
The fact is Drew had control over many of the events in the demise of Stacy..except one thing..Cassandra's persistence. He could run around town placing calls on Stacy's phone to his phone..but he could not control who would be calling him or at what time. He answered the phone not knowing that she was in front of his house at that time, nor that she suspected foul play. It would have seemed odd to not answer the phone when your sister-in-law calls. She knew he would still be up, since normally he worked 2nd shift. Drew's MO is to always continue as usual and act normal (for Drew) He probably thought he could just blow her off, continue what he was doing and no one would question him. He doesn't know that Cassandra is on to him and is about to report Stacy missing. He doesn't know at this point that anyone is going to question whatever story he has cooked up. He doesn't know his time has run out. He thinks he is about to frame Scott R for this..he just answers the phone like it's any normal evening.

We have already suspected that DrewP had help in the disposal of Stacy's body, and IMO he had more help than TM. TM didn't mention driving the cars around, yet both cars were being moved around that day.

I wonder if he wasn't expecting a call from that helper, never thought about cell phone pings, and never checked the caller ID. I think perhaps he answered thinking it was his helper.

I am still stuck with the idea that DrewP laid many false clues in order to deflect attention from the true leads. I keep thinking about the report that the cadaver dog hit on the car, not the Denali. So what if DrewP was laying the false clues in the Denali, and the helper was in the car with the body? That would make the canal clues a false lead, and could also explain why DrewP wasn't concerned about the cell phone ping.


False leads:
TM. As a police officer, I would think that DrewP was aware that if any attention came on him, that TM would cave in to questioning. So why would he ignore that? Unless that was part of the false lead. Though using him to set up the cell phone ping from Stacy's phone I haven't figured out yet.

The cell phone ping from near Rossoto's house.

Cell phone lead from the canal??? Possibly.

Missing containers and barrels. More than one, which means more trails to follow.

The plastic chips in the Denali- a part of the movement of the barrels, DrewP would know enough that if he wanted to hide that he would have to clean those up. They are too obvious a clue. Also DrewP would be aware of the GPS in the Denali.

The trip to the airport with the kids.

I don't think the mention of Jamica and the airport were supposed to be believed, though I think he knew LE would check that out.

I think where the car went is what is important. The car was less trackable, the dog hit there, and where it was that day still hasn't been determined.
 
  • #155
I wonder if the dogs hit in the bedroom near that night stand and that is what made Drew realize he needed to get rid of it ASAP since they didn't remove during the search? And since we are told that Drew took the cherry bed and nightstands from Kathleen's home and was using the same bed in the current home with Stacy, wouldn't it stand to reason that the same night stands were being used too?

I still think that night stand has evidence from Kathleen's murder, maybe DNA, etc. and that is why he removed it. I don't think it would have related to Stacy's murder since we have not heard of blood traces being found in the home. Meaning I think Stacy was more of a soft kill like strangulation or suffacation. So, now that the cadaver dogs have made hits in the house Drew would remove anything that also may have had something to do with Kathleen's death also. Maybe Kathleen's things were stuffed in the night stand and off it went.
 
  • #156
We have already suspected that DrewP had help in the disposal of Stacy's body, and IMO he had more help than TM. TM didn't mention driving the cars around, yet both cars were being moved around that day.

I wonder if he wasn't expecting a call from that helper, never thought about cell phone pings, and never checked the caller ID. I think perhaps he answered thinking it was his helper.


I thought abOut that too, mysteriew as a real possibility. Also the kids are home alone, so he almost had to answer the call, what if it were the kids or something had happened at home while he was gone?

The last person he probably thought it would be was Cassandra, and he knows he has a story set up to blow her off and frame Scott R.
 
  • #157
i find it really creepy that Stacy & DP would even want to sleep in Kathleen's bed, knowing that DP had killed her.....i'm not one to believe in ghosts or anything, but i seriously would be afraid 'it' would come back to haunt me (shivers)...

i don't think i'd want anything of Kathleen's in my home, knowing my husband had killed her...just creepy to me...
 
  • #158
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want the husband that killed her let alone the furniture lol
 
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Really, that is a good point..who would want the husband, the furs, the jewelry and the bed of someone you know your husband murdered who was the mother of his children you are now about to adopt...

It's like Stacy just replaced Kathleen seamlessly the way Drew handled the whole thing. No fuss, no muss. Very,very creepy and disturbed.

Who does he have waiting in the wings to seamlessly replace Stacy?
 
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