Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[Marantz4250b]

I have to disagree with you on this one. If one is at the wrong end of a weapon one could be considered an idiot for not taking the situation with a certain level of gravity.
Much as was done when CB carried his in the open.
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'Everyone was absolutely terrified when he was around,' she said.

'I have been told that when he was here he had a gun that would always be in a holster around his waist.

'Lots of people were very put off by that and found it very intimidating. Back in 2007 you did not need a licence to carry a gun.'

Christian Brueckner 'terrorised residents of Portuguese village

The 43-year-old, now the main suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, stayed at a rural bolthole not far from the Algarve resort.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think that we need to treat statements which start "I was told..." with a healthy degree of skepticism, to be honest.

I'm not familiar with Portuguese gun law but I would find it very surprising if it allowed the open carrying of pistols by regular members of the public. Even if it was correct that you didn't need a licence to carry one, you will certainly have needed one to own one.

 

[Davieson]

But it happens. Cases are tried without bodies, without "proof" of a death. That's what trials are for. Hypothetical: child goes missing, suspect is seen with limp child near dumpster, landfill searches come up empty. Can you prove the child is dead? No body. It'll come down to what evidence is presented and what a jury deduces.

There's no arrest, no trial, but this is a true crime forum and I'm weighing for myself what makes sense.

I wouldn't have been surprised if CB made off with MM's families LUGGAGE if that's what he wanted, and without leaving a trace. Sane principle but it wouldn't have become a headline. It certainly wouldn't have been a mystery.

That she was secreted away by family or was abducted by an abductor other than CB requires a lot more make believe.

He is the stuff of nightmares.

JMO

He certainly is the stuff of nightmares, but isn't sufficient for charges

 

[Megnut]

He certainly is the stuff of nightmares, but isn't sufficient for charges

Hence the rub.

Not enough to charge and convict him, but in the absence of arrest, it seems like some think he's therefore exonerated.

IMO while it's true enough that he hasn't been charged, LE and MM's parents aren't looking farther. IMO they're equally convinced he's responsible. Knowing and proving are just different standards so here we are.

It would be a gift of mercy from the universe if a bolt of lightning could find CB. Then the evidence that there is, such as it is, could come out, if for no other reason than to satisfy public interest.

IMO the greatest thing to come out of CB will be his death.

JMO

 

[Davieson]

I think that we need to treat statements which start "I was told..." with a healthy degree of skepticism, to be honest.

I'm not familiar with Portuguese gun law but I would find it very surprising if it allowed the open carrying of pistols by regular members of the public. Even if it was correct that you didn't need a licence to carry one, you will certainly have needed one to own one.

Having google-checked, it would seem that he could likely own those pistols without licence but need a permit to carry.
Not that he's the sort to bother about regulations.

 

[Davieson]

Hence the rub.

Not enough to charge and convict him, but in the absence of arrest, it seems like some think he's therefore exonerated.

IMO while it's true enough that he hasn't been charged, LE and MM's parents aren't looking farther. IMO they're equally convinced he's responsible. Knowing and proving are just different standards so here we are.

It would be a gift of mercy from the universe if a bolt of lightning could find CB. Then the evidence that there is, such as it is, could come out, if for no other reason than to satisfy public interest.

IMO the greatest thing to come out of CB will be his death.

JMO

I don't think I ever seen that written on here, at least not in connection with CB

 

[frank-cole]

Hence the rub.

Not enough to charge and convict him, but in the absence of arrest, it seems like some think he's therefore exonerated.

IMO while it's true enough that he hasn't been charged, LE and MM's parents aren't looking farther. IMO they're equally convinced he's responsible. Knowing and proving are just different standards so here we are.

It would be a gift of mercy from the universe if a bolt of lightning could find CB. Then the evidence that there is, such as it is, could come out, if for no other reason than to satisfy public interest.

IMO the greatest thing to come out of CB will be his death.

JMO

Bob on!

IMO Even if it doesn’t go to court - when they announce the findings of their investigation & they announce why & how they know MM is deceased, there won’t be much left for us all to talk about.

Then imo the answer to any remark will always be the same, time after time. Something like;

“Yes I’ve read your remark, but as I keep saying, he had a picture of MM dead & he wrote about it too”

 

[Lilly b]

Interesting 60 minute docu, it's bits cobbled together though, the presenter has three different hair styles, but one point of interest Jutta Rabe talks of courts not allowing documents or photo evidence, forensics are needed.20 mins in.
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Yes, she said she couldn't understand why the picture of the scar on CB thigh was not allowed in court, and I wonder that too, it should 100% been allowed, as it's a fact , it also proves Helen was telling the truth, maybe her appeal will allow it as evidence

 

[Davieson]

Interesting 60 minute docu, it's bits cobbled together though, the presenter has three different hair styles, but one point of interest Jutta Rabe talks of courts not allowing documents or photo evidence, forensics are needed.20 mins in.
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I suppose this may be because both photographs and documents could be altered from what they were originally, particularly if the chain of custody was a bit dodgy

 

[RichardKimble]

Yes, she said she couldn't understand why the picture of the scar on CB thigh was not allowed in court, and I wonder that too, it should 100% been allowed, as it's a fact , it also proves Helen was telling the truth, maybe her appeal will allow it as evidence

Hazel I think you mean, the appeal is by the German prosecutors based on legal arguments not on evidence it was said at the time also no new evidence would be presented.


Wolters, the chief prosecutor, and investigators in the McCann case now faced a race against time if they were to make a charge. Speaking after the verdict Wolter told journalists: “We consider the judgment to be wrong in substance and will therefore appeal so that the federal court of justice is able to review the decision once more for legal errors.”

Prosecutors to appeal after Madeleine McCann suspect acquitted in separate rape trial

Christian Brückner found not guilty in Germany of three charges of aggravated rape and two of sexual abuse

www.theguardian.com

Any new proceedings will only go ahead if judges rule a mistake in the application of the law was made – no fresh witnesses will be called – but Brueckner's defence lawyers have already said they are confident it will not succeed.

Appeal against decision to clear Christian Brueckner of sex charges

The prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann, 47, case was cleared last week of three rapes and two indecent exposures on children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[FromGermany1]

Madeleine McCann cops 'find clothing and bones' during dig for missing toddler

Police have reportedly found 'several objects' including clothing fragments and bones during the latest search for Madeleine McCann in Portugal, which took place last week

www.irishmirror.ie

Investigators from Germany and Portugal finished a three-day examination of a vast area in Lagos, Portugal, on Thursday, digging for fresh clues against main suspect Christian Brueckner. Although initial feedback indicated last week's search - 30 miles away from where Madeleine vanished as a three year old in May 2007 - had come up empty-handed, it’s now been hinted that fragments of clothing and bones were unearthed and are set for analysis this week.

bbm

 

[UK Girl]

Madeleine McCann cops 'find clothing and bones' during dig for missing toddler

Police have reportedly found 'several objects' including clothing fragments and bones during the latest search for Madeleine McCann in Portugal, which took place last week

www.irishmirror.ie

Investigators from Germany and Portugal finished a three-day examination of a vast area in Lagos, Portugal, on Thursday, digging for fresh clues against main suspect Christian Brueckner. Although initial feedback indicated last week's search - 30 miles away from where Madeleine vanished as a three year old in May 2007 - had come up empty-handed, it’s now been hinted that fragments of clothing and bones were unearthed and are set for analysis this week.

bbm

It has also been said they were adult clothing and animal bones.

 

[tedtink]

It has also been said they were adult clothing and animal bones.

Trousers, a couple of shooters & Mrs Muller?

jmo

 

[FromGermany1]

Madeleine McCann police make wild discovery buried in ground in latest search

Bombshell new reports claim police working on the Madeleine McCann case found two guns buried underground during the recent round of searches in Portugal

www.irishmirror.ie

Tonight it was reported that police working on the Madeleine McCann case found two guns buried underground during last week's searches in Portugal.

Clothing and animal bones were also found. The items will now be sent back to Germany where they will undergo forensic analysis.
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Last year, Brueckner was acquitted of carrying out five other sexual offences in Portugal between 2000 and 2017 after a judge in Braunschweig said there was not enough evidence to convict him.

 

[FromGermany1]

A former inmate in the same prison as Brueckner has also alleged that he once told him about a number of offences he had committed, including reportedly snatching a girl from a flat in Portugal.

Madeleine McCann police make wild discovery buried in ground in latest search

Bombshell new reports claim police working on the Madeleine McCann case found two guns buried underground during the recent round of searches in Portugal

www.irishmirror.ie

 

[FromGermany1]

I can't find any news about it in German news papers - as always.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I suppose this may be because both photographs and documents could be altered from what they were originally, particularly if the chain of custody was a bit dodgy

Or if correct procedure wasn’t followed when it was taken.

Nevertheless, if the photo was admissible, and it is categorically CB, then irrespective of the verdict, he is guilty in the HaB case.

 

[Spiderplant]

*typo edit by me*
Is there a case that there have been no charges for CB (yet) not due to lack of evidence, but in the hope he will slip up and get carried away with his grasp on freedom and the imo undoubted chance he will strike again- he appears to me to be someone who loves the chase, the attention and the self righteous attitude that he won’t ever be caught. I wonder if they are trying to provoke a comment or a slip up. Encouraging him to taste freedom-

They seem so sure of the guilt of CB and the evidence they ‘can’t share’

I just wonder if there is a game at play here… especially as more seems to be coming out from the search- they media didn’t get an inkling of… one thing I’d say is German police have done a great job of not letting things out…

Also- I heard at the end of the 60 minute video linked above the podcast said perhaps *edited by me typo* UK forces may get involved… which would maybe help with the risk of photos/non forensic evidence being thrown out in a German court…
I am sure conversations are happening about how the UK could be involved-
Anyone know how this could work? Have we seen this in other cases? German suspect, Portugal location of crime, British victim(s)

 

[Denis R Tandib]

*typo edit by me*
Is there a case that there have been no charges for CB (yet) not due to lack of evidence, but in the hope he will slip up and get carried away with his grasp on freedom and the imo undoubted chance he will strike again- he appears to me to be someone who loves the chase, the attention and the self righteous attitude that he won’t ever be caught. I wonder if they are trying to provoke a comment or a slip up. Encouraging him to taste freedom-

They seem so sure of the guilt of CB and the evidence they ‘can’t share’

I just wonder if there is a game at play here… especially as more seems to be coming out from the search- they media didn’t get an inkling of… one thing I’d say is German police have done a great job of not letting things out…

Also- I heard at the end of the 60 minute video linked above the podcast said perhaps *edited by me typo* UK forces may get involved… which would maybe help with the risk of photos/non forensic evidence being thrown out in a German court…
I am sure conversations are happening about how the UK could be involved-
Anyone know how this could work? Have we seen this in other cases? German suspect, Portugal location of crime, British victim(s)

The BKA/prosecutors would have a media liaison function which controls what and when information is released to the public.

Reporters would get snippets from police doing the searches but most information from the investigation is part of a communication plan.

The Sun/C4 documentary was released two to three weeks before the new searches were announced. Look at this strategy retrospectively and:

1. The person/s they are trying to reach are in the UK and they are likely not tertiary qualified - The Sun gives them the most exposure to this audience.

2. This person/s knows CB moderately well and may be withholding information out of loyalty or friendship. They think this person is interested in the case enough to review the detail. They want this person to know that CB is a bad person, a rapist and a paedophile - the scar image, the toys, the kids swimming costumes etc.

3. Considering the above, the person the are trying to get a message to is likely a female, a mother and has perhaps been romantically involved with CB.

I don’t buy into the haphazard accidental releasing of information. IMO, it’s all planned.

 

[Mex]

Or if correct procedure wasn’t followed when it was taken.

Nevertheless, if the photo was admissible, and it is categorically CB, then irrespective of the verdict, he is guilty in the HaB case.

Of course he is.

 

[RichardKimble]

I can't find any news about it in German news papers - as always.

It's maybe just as well, Mark Rowley when assistant commissioner to the met police commented (in 2017 if I recall) about stories in the mccann case.
There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.