Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[Davieson]

Hence the rub.

Not enough to charge and convict him, but in the absence of arrest, it seems like some think he's therefore exonerated.

IMO while it's true enough that he hasn't been charged, LE and MM's parents aren't looking farther. IMO they're equally convinced he's responsible. Knowing and proving are just different standards so here we are.

It would be a gift of mercy from the universe if a bolt of lightning could find CB. Then the evidence that there is, such as it is, could come out, if for no other reason than to satisfy public interest.

IMO the greatest thing to come out of CB will be his death.

JMO

I don't think I ever seen that written on here, at least not in connection with CB

 

[frank-cole]

Hence the rub.

Not enough to charge and convict him, but in the absence of arrest, it seems like some think he's therefore exonerated.

IMO while it's true enough that he hasn't been charged, LE and MM's parents aren't looking farther. IMO they're equally convinced he's responsible. Knowing and proving are just different standards so here we are.

It would be a gift of mercy from the universe if a bolt of lightning could find CB. Then the evidence that there is, such as it is, could come out, if for no other reason than to satisfy public interest.

IMO the greatest thing to come out of CB will be his death.

JMO

Bob on!

IMO Even if it doesn’t go to court - when they announce the findings of their investigation & they announce why & how they know MM is deceased, there won’t be much left for us all to talk about.

Then imo the answer to any remark will always be the same, time after time. Something like;

“Yes I’ve read your remark, but as I keep saying, he had a picture of MM dead & he wrote about it too”

 

[Davieson]

Interesting 60 minute docu, it's bits cobbled together though, the presenter has three different hair styles, but one point of interest Jutta Rabe talks of courts not allowing documents or photo evidence, forensics are needed.20 mins in.
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I suppose this may be because both photographs and documents could be altered from what they were originally, particularly if the chain of custody was a bit dodgy

 

[FromGermany1]

Madeleine McCann cops 'find clothing and bones' during dig for missing toddler

Police have reportedly found 'several objects' including clothing fragments and bones during the latest search for Madeleine McCann in Portugal, which took place last week

www.irishmirror.ie

Investigators from Germany and Portugal finished a three-day examination of a vast area in Lagos, Portugal, on Thursday, digging for fresh clues against main suspect Christian Brueckner. Although initial feedback indicated last week's search - 30 miles away from where Madeleine vanished as a three year old in May 2007 - had come up empty-handed, it’s now been hinted that fragments of clothing and bones were unearthed and are set for analysis this week.

bbm

 

[UK Girl]

Madeleine McCann cops 'find clothing and bones' during dig for missing toddler

Police have reportedly found 'several objects' including clothing fragments and bones during the latest search for Madeleine McCann in Portugal, which took place last week

www.irishmirror.ie

Investigators from Germany and Portugal finished a three-day examination of a vast area in Lagos, Portugal, on Thursday, digging for fresh clues against main suspect Christian Brueckner. Although initial feedback indicated last week's search - 30 miles away from where Madeleine vanished as a three year old in May 2007 - had come up empty-handed, it’s now been hinted that fragments of clothing and bones were unearthed and are set for analysis this week.

bbm

It has also been said they were adult clothing and animal bones.

 

[tedtink]

It has also been said they were adult clothing and animal bones.

Trousers, a couple of shooters & Mrs Muller?

jmo

 

[FromGermany1]

Madeleine McCann police make wild discovery buried in ground in latest search

Bombshell new reports claim police working on the Madeleine McCann case found two guns buried underground during the recent round of searches in Portugal

www.irishmirror.ie

Tonight it was reported that police working on the Madeleine McCann case found two guns buried underground during last week's searches in Portugal.

Clothing and animal bones were also found. The items will now be sent back to Germany where they will undergo forensic analysis.
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Last year, Brueckner was acquitted of carrying out five other sexual offences in Portugal between 2000 and 2017 after a judge in Braunschweig said there was not enough evidence to convict him.

 

[FromGermany1]

A former inmate in the same prison as Brueckner has also alleged that he once told him about a number of offences he had committed, including reportedly snatching a girl from a flat in Portugal.

Madeleine McCann police make wild discovery buried in ground in latest search

Bombshell new reports claim police working on the Madeleine McCann case found two guns buried underground during the recent round of searches in Portugal

www.irishmirror.ie

 

[FromGermany1]

I can't find any news about it in German news papers - as always.

 

[Spiderplant]

*typo edit by me*
Is there a case that there have been no charges for CB (yet) not due to lack of evidence, but in the hope he will slip up and get carried away with his grasp on freedom and the imo undoubted chance he will strike again- he appears to me to be someone who loves the chase, the attention and the self righteous attitude that he won’t ever be caught. I wonder if they are trying to provoke a comment or a slip up. Encouraging him to taste freedom-

They seem so sure of the guilt of CB and the evidence they ‘can’t share’

I just wonder if there is a game at play here… especially as more seems to be coming out from the search- they media didn’t get an inkling of… one thing I’d say is German police have done a great job of not letting things out…

Also- I heard at the end of the 60 minute video linked above the podcast said perhaps *edited by me typo* UK forces may get involved… which would maybe help with the risk of photos/non forensic evidence being thrown out in a German court…
I am sure conversations are happening about how the UK could be involved-
Anyone know how this could work? Have we seen this in other cases? German suspect, Portugal location of crime, British victim(s)

 

[Denis R Tandib]

*typo edit by me*
Is there a case that there have been no charges for CB (yet) not due to lack of evidence, but in the hope he will slip up and get carried away with his grasp on freedom and the imo undoubted chance he will strike again- he appears to me to be someone who loves the chase, the attention and the self righteous attitude that he won’t ever be caught. I wonder if they are trying to provoke a comment or a slip up. Encouraging him to taste freedom-

They seem so sure of the guilt of CB and the evidence they ‘can’t share’

I just wonder if there is a game at play here… especially as more seems to be coming out from the search- they media didn’t get an inkling of… one thing I’d say is German police have done a great job of not letting things out…

Also- I heard at the end of the 60 minute video linked above the podcast said perhaps *edited by me typo* UK forces may get involved… which would maybe help with the risk of photos/non forensic evidence being thrown out in a German court…
I am sure conversations are happening about how the UK could be involved-
Anyone know how this could work? Have we seen this in other cases? German suspect, Portugal location of crime, British victim(s)

The BKA/prosecutors would have a media liaison function which controls what and when information is released to the public.

Reporters would get snippets from police doing the searches but most information from the investigation is part of a communication plan.

The Sun/C4 documentary was released two to three weeks before the new searches were announced. Look at this strategy retrospectively and:

1. The person/s they are trying to reach are in the UK and they are likely not tertiary qualified - The Sun gives them the most exposure to this audience.

2. This person/s knows CB moderately well and may be withholding information out of loyalty or friendship. They think this person is interested in the case enough to review the detail. They want this person to know that CB is a bad person, a rapist and a paedophile - the scar image, the toys, the kids swimming costumes etc.

3. Considering the above, the person the are trying to get a message to is likely a female, a mother and has perhaps been romantically involved with CB.

I don’t buy into the haphazard accidental releasing of information. IMO, it’s all planned.

 

[Mex]

Or if correct procedure wasn’t followed when it was taken.

Nevertheless, if the photo was admissible, and it is categorically CB, then irrespective of the verdict, he is guilty in the HaB case.

Of course he is.

 

[RichardKimble]

I can't find any news about it in German news papers - as always.

It's maybe just as well, Mark Rowley when assistant commissioner to the met police commented (in 2017 if I recall) about stories in the mccann case.
There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are nonsense.

 

[frank-cole]

Bob on!

IMO Even if it doesn’t go to court - when they announce the findings of their investigation & they announce why & how they know MM is deceased, there won’t be much left for us all to talk about.

Then imo the answer to any remark will always be the same, time after time. Something like;

“Yes I’ve read your remark, but as I keep saying, he had a picture of MM dead & he wrote about it too”P

The BKA/prosecutors would have a media liaison function which controls what and when information is released to the public.

Reporters would get snippets from police doing the searches but most information from the investigation is part of a communication plan.

The Sun/C4 documentary was released two to three weeks before the new searches were announced. Look at this strategy retrospectively and:

1. The person/s they are trying to reach are in the UK and they are likely not tertiary qualified - The Sun gives them the most exposure to this audience.

2. This person/s knows CB moderately well and may be withholding information out of loyalty or friendship. They think this person is interested in the case enough to review the detail. They want this person to know that CB is a bad person, a rapist and a paedophile - the scar image, the toys, the kids swimming costumes etc.

3. Considering the above, the person the are trying to get a message to is likely a female, a mother and has perhaps been romantically involved with CB.

I don’t buy into the haphazard accidental releasing of information. IMO, it’s all planned.

Yes - some of the reports about what was found seem to be quite reaching and one paper piggybacking a story off of another. The prosecution & the defence have been radio silent.

It was interesting that the Portuguese played no role in the physical searching. They policed the barrier & ran logistics of machinery coming in. It seems like the German’s only wanted their people working the scenes. IMO that’s why the Uk didn’t come - because they too wouldn’t have been allowed a lot of exposure to the search sites and the Portuguese already had policing the perimeter and running logistics covered.

“Animal bones” & “children’s clothing” - if said would have come from a member of the German team & been hinted to one of the Portuguese. It was one of the most highly publicised secretive searches I’ve ever read about

 

[Hygge]

Yes - some of the reports about what was found seem to be quite reaching and one paper piggybacking a story off of another. The prosecution & the defence have been radio silent.

It was interesting that the Portuguese played no role in the physical searching. They policed the barrier & ran logistics of machinery coming in. It seems like the German’s only wanted their people working the scenes. IMO that’s why the Uk didn’t come - because they too wouldn’t have been allowed a lot of exposure to the search sites and the Portuguese already had policing the perimeter and running logistics covered.

“Animal bones” & “children’s clothing” - if said would have come from a member of the German team & been hinted to one of the Portuguese. It was one of the most highly publicised secretive searches I’ve ever read about

At the end all these reports about guns, bones, carrying a box are speculations. Every reporter wants to be the first to have the big story.

„

Madeleine McCann case: Search operation in Portugal ended​

PRESS RELEASE FROM 10.06.2025​

The search operation carried out in Portugal last week has been completed as planned.



No information can be given on the results of the investigation at this time.

A heartfelt thank you goes to all police officers involved in the search.



The cooperation between the Portuguese police and the Federal Criminal Police Office was excellent and very constructive.“

Fall Madeleine McCann: Suchaktion in Portugal beendet | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes - some of the reports about what was found seem to be quite reaching and one paper piggybacking a story off of another. The prosecution & the defence have been radio silent.

It was interesting that the Portuguese played no role in the physical searching. They policed the barrier & ran logistics of machinery coming in. It seems like the German’s only wanted their people working the scenes. IMO that’s why the Uk didn’t come - because they too wouldn’t have been allowed a lot of exposure to the search sites and the Portuguese already had policing the perimeter and running logistics covered.

“Animal bones” & “children’s clothing” - if said would have come from a member of the German team & been hinted to one of the Portuguese. It was one of the most highly publicised secretive searches I’ve ever read about

The release to the Sun was about publicity. On reflection, I may have gone too far with the precision of who the target was but I still think that conceptually its right.

They feel as though someone in the UK has answers. This is speculation but it’s possible they know that CB was emailing someone in the UK… I’m not an IT expert but perhaps they have traced the IP address to the UK. It’s 18 years so the PC it related to is long gone but it’s possible they know the location and can derive some understanding of whom they are looking for due to the nature of the emails.

Again, deep conjecture but stolen to order to a childless woman… the Barcelona incident and Ken Ralph are perhaps worth more consideration.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The release to the Sun was about publicity. On reflection, I may have gone too far with the precision of who the target was but I still think that conceptually its right.

They feel as though someone in the UK has answers. This is speculation but it’s possible they know that CB was emailing someone in the UK… I’m not an IT expert but perhaps they have traced the IP address to the UK. It’s 18 years so the PC it related to is long gone but it’s possible they know the location and can derive some understanding of whom they are looking for due to the nature of the emails.

Again, deep conjecture but stolen to order to a childless woman… the Barcelona incident and Ken Ralph are perhaps worth more consideration.

Further to the above:

“The email header is a snippet of code that contains metadata that is needed to trace the email's IP address. You can then use the IP address to find out who sent the email.”

It’s possible that the email evidence has provided a lot of information.

How to Trace an Email: Easily Find the Sender & IP Address

Find out who sent you an email These days, spam, scams, and phishing emails are all too common. While some senders may try to trick you with fake names and email addresses, you can verify a sender's information by copying the email's...

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[Davieson]

Further to the above:

“The email header is a snippet of code that contains metadata that is needed to trace the email's IP address. You can then use the IP address to find out who sent the email.”

It’s possible that the email evidence has provided a lot of information.

How to Trace an Email: Easily Find the Sender & IP Address

Find out who sent you an email These days, spam, scams, and phishing emails are all too common. While some senders may try to trick you with fake names and email addresses, you can verify a sender's information by copying the email's...

www.wikihow.com

Aren't there things like proxy servers designed to evade this sort of detection ?

There's also the possibilty of internet cafes. It seems unlikely that CB would have an internet line in Porugal, given his reported living arrangements. It might have been the same in Germany

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Aren't there things like proxy servers designed to evade this sort of detection ?

Yes but I’m not sure about in 2007. Hotmail was the first email via internet platform, it’s whole advantage over competition at the time was that you could send and receive emails from any PC at any time. I got my first Hotmail account in 2001 when backpacking. It’s possible that CB had this account for several years - I would doubt he was using a proxy server and even if he was, all the data would also be stored on Microsoft’s servers.

 

[Davieson]

Yes but I’m not sure about in 2007. Hotmail was the first email via internet platform, it’s whole advantage over competition at the time was that you could send and receive emails from any PC at any time. I got my first Hotmail account in 2001 when backpacking. It’s possible that CB had this account for several years - I would doubt he was using a proxy server and even if he was, all the data would also be stored on Microsoft’s servers.

I was thinking more of the recipient using a proxy rather than CB.
Do we know when these emails date from ?

Added - Wiki says commonly in use by 2008