Madeleine McCann: German Prisoner Identified as Suspect, #41

[frank-cole]

Bob on!

IMO Even if it doesn’t go to court - when they announce the findings of their investigation & they announce why & how they know MM is deceased, there won’t be much left for us all to talk about.

Then imo the answer to any remark will always be the same, time after time. Something like;

“Yes I’ve read your remark, but as I keep saying, he had a picture of MM dead & he wrote about it too”P

The BKA/prosecutors would have a media liaison function which controls what and when information is released to the public.

Reporters would get snippets from police doing the searches but most information from the investigation is part of a communication plan.

The Sun/C4 documentary was released two to three weeks before the new searches were announced. Look at this strategy retrospectively and:

1. The person/s they are trying to reach are in the UK and they are likely not tertiary qualified - The Sun gives them the most exposure to this audience.

2. This person/s knows CB moderately well and may be withholding information out of loyalty or friendship. They think this person is interested in the case enough to review the detail. They want this person to know that CB is a bad person, a rapist and a paedophile - the scar image, the toys, the kids swimming costumes etc.

3. Considering the above, the person the are trying to get a message to is likely a female, a mother and has perhaps been romantically involved with CB.

I don’t buy into the haphazard accidental releasing of information. IMO, it’s all planned.

Yes - some of the reports about what was found seem to be quite reaching and one paper piggybacking a story off of another. The prosecution & the defence have been radio silent.

It was interesting that the Portuguese played no role in the physical searching. They policed the barrier & ran logistics of machinery coming in. It seems like the German’s only wanted their people working the scenes. IMO that’s why the Uk didn’t come - because they too wouldn’t have been allowed a lot of exposure to the search sites and the Portuguese already had policing the perimeter and running logistics covered.

“Animal bones” & “children’s clothing” - if said would have come from a member of the German team & been hinted to one of the Portuguese. It was one of the most highly publicised secretive searches I’ve ever read about

 

[Hygge]

Yes - some of the reports about what was found seem to be quite reaching and one paper piggybacking a story off of another. The prosecution & the defence have been radio silent.

It was interesting that the Portuguese played no role in the physical searching. They policed the barrier & ran logistics of machinery coming in. It seems like the German’s only wanted their people working the scenes. IMO that’s why the Uk didn’t come - because they too wouldn’t have been allowed a lot of exposure to the search sites and the Portuguese already had policing the perimeter and running logistics covered.

“Animal bones” & “children’s clothing” - if said would have come from a member of the German team & been hinted to one of the Portuguese. It was one of the most highly publicised secretive searches I’ve ever read about

At the end all these reports about guns, bones, carrying a box are speculations. Every reporter wants to be the first to have the big story.

„

Madeleine McCann case: Search operation in Portugal ended​

PRESS RELEASE FROM 10.06.2025​

The search operation carried out in Portugal last week has been completed as planned.



No information can be given on the results of the investigation at this time.

A heartfelt thank you goes to all police officers involved in the search.



The cooperation between the Portuguese police and the Federal Criminal Police Office was excellent and very constructive.“

Fall Madeleine McCann: Suchaktion in Portugal beendet | Staatsanwaltschaft Braunschweig

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Yes - some of the reports about what was found seem to be quite reaching and one paper piggybacking a story off of another. The prosecution & the defence have been radio silent.

It was interesting that the Portuguese played no role in the physical searching. They policed the barrier & ran logistics of machinery coming in. It seems like the German’s only wanted their people working the scenes. IMO that’s why the Uk didn’t come - because they too wouldn’t have been allowed a lot of exposure to the search sites and the Portuguese already had policing the perimeter and running logistics covered.

“Animal bones” & “children’s clothing” - if said would have come from a member of the German team & been hinted to one of the Portuguese. It was one of the most highly publicised secretive searches I’ve ever read about

The release to the Sun was about publicity. On reflection, I may have gone too far with the precision of who the target was but I still think that conceptually its right.

They feel as though someone in the UK has answers. This is speculation but it’s possible they know that CB was emailing someone in the UK… I’m not an IT expert but perhaps they have traced the IP address to the UK. It’s 18 years so the PC it related to is long gone but it’s possible they know the location and can derive some understanding of whom they are looking for due to the nature of the emails.

Again, deep conjecture but stolen to order to a childless woman… the Barcelona incident and Ken Ralph are perhaps worth more consideration.

 

[C.greek]

Or if correct procedure wasn’t followed when it was taken.

Nevertheless, if the photo was admissible, and it is categorically CB, then irrespective of the verdict, he is guilty in the HaB case.

It's though not only the photo of the scar. As the doco shows there was mention of this scar in a police record from 2018 from a police examination! I don't understand how these were not allowed or were not taken into consideration.

 

[tedtink]

It's though not only the photo of the scar. As the doco shows there was mention of this scar in a police record from 2018 from a police examination! I don't understand how these were not allowed or were not taken into consideration.

IDK how it works but if the photo and the Police report from 2018 were to be presented as a single piece of evidence, perhaps the photo came from the box factory, so that rendered the evidence (including the report) inadmissible? In the pic it shows the leg in fishnet stocking, so unless he was wearing that in 2018 when the police took the pic, perhaps the BKA put 2 pieces of evidence together?

That's the only reason I can think of, but like i say, I don't know how it works.

Eta- It needs to be explained imo

jmo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

It's though not only the photo of the scar. As the doco shows there was mention of this scar in a police record from 2018 from a police examination! I don't understand how these were not allowed or were not taken into consideration.

In the 60 minutes show, on the whole HaB came across as a credible witness.

Ultimately, the ID came down to his eyes. I am inclined to agree with the judge that a conviction BARD cannot be given.

Where I was disappointed with HaB was with her answer to the direct question, “Why was the (scar) evidence not allowed?” She responded that she didn’t know and I don’t believe that.

During the trial, it was discussed that the police examination showed no scar and FF confirmed that CB only had a scar in his groin area due to a testicular torsion issue. Perhaps @RichardKimble could confirm this from The BZ.

The scar from The Sun doco matches HaB’s description of a twist in the tights quite accurately.

What concerns me is that this photo doesn’t show CB’s face and it’s not a match to a minor testicular surgery. Finally, the judge didn’t allow it as evidence.. something is amiss.

It is possible that the photo was found in CB’s possession but he is not the subject. Going back a million posts, there was a lot of discussion of CB having a BFF with blonde hair who looked a lot like him…

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The release to the Sun was about publicity. On reflection, I may have gone too far with the precision of who the target was but I still think that conceptually its right.

They feel as though someone in the UK has answers. This is speculation but it’s possible they know that CB was emailing someone in the UK… I’m not an IT expert but perhaps they have traced the IP address to the UK. It’s 18 years so the PC it related to is long gone but it’s possible they know the location and can derive some understanding of whom they are looking for due to the nature of the emails.

Again, deep conjecture but stolen to order to a childless woman… the Barcelona incident and Ken Ralph are perhaps worth more consideration.

Further to the above:

“The email header is a snippet of code that contains metadata that is needed to trace the email's IP address. You can then use the IP address to find out who sent the email.”

It’s possible that the email evidence has provided a lot of information.

How to Trace an Email: Easily Find the Sender & IP Address

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[Davieson]

In the 60 minutes show, on the whole HaB came across as a credible witness.

Ultimately, the ID came down to his eyes. I am inclined to agree with the judge that a conviction BARD cannot be given.

Where I was disappointed with HaB was with her answer to the direct question, “Why was the (scar) evidence not allowed?” She responded that she didn’t know and I don’t believe that.

During the trial, it was discussed that the police examination showed no scar and FF confirmed that CB only had a scar in his groin area due to a testicular torsion issue. Perhaps @RichardKimble could confirm this from The BZ.

The scar from The Sun doco matches HaB’s description of a twist in the tights quite accurately.

What concerns me is that this photo doesn’t show CB’s face and it’s not a match to a minor testicular surgery. Finally, the judge didn’t allow it as evidence.. something is amiss.

It is possible that the photo was found in CB’s possession but he is not the subject. Going back a million posts, there was a lot of discussion of CB having a BFF with blonde hair who looked a lot like him…

Perhaps its as simple as that, it couldn't be identified as him in the photo, so was discounted.
Police have all sorts of image recognition techniques available these days, so perhaps the photo wasn't of him.

 

[Davieson]

Further to the above:

“The email header is a snippet of code that contains metadata that is needed to trace the email's IP address. You can then use the IP address to find out who sent the email.”

It’s possible that the email evidence has provided a lot of information.

How to Trace an Email: Easily Find the Sender & IP Address

Find out who sent you an email These days, spam, scams, and phishing emails are all too common. While some senders may try to trick you with fake names and email addresses, you can verify a sender's information by copying the email's...

www.wikihow.com

Aren't there things like proxy servers designed to evade this sort of detection ?

There's also the possibilty of internet cafes. It seems unlikely that CB would have an internet line in Porugal, given his reported living arrangements. It might have been the same in Germany

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Aren't there things like proxy servers designed to evade this sort of detection ?

Yes but I’m not sure about in 2007. Hotmail was the first email via internet platform, it’s whole advantage over competition at the time was that you could send and receive emails from any PC at any time. I got my first Hotmail account in 2001 when backpacking. It’s possible that CB had this account for several years - I would doubt he was using a proxy server and even if he was, all the data would also be stored on Microsoft’s servers.

 

[Davieson]

Yes but I’m not sure about in 2007. Hotmail was the first email via internet platform, it’s whole advantage over competition at the time was that you could send and receive emails from any PC at any time. I got my first Hotmail account in 2001 when backpacking. It’s possible that CB had this account for several years - I would doubt he was using a proxy server and even if he was, all the data would also be stored on Microsoft’s servers.

I was thinking more of the recipient using a proxy rather than CB.
Do we know when these emails date from ?

Added - Wiki says commonly in use by 2008

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I was thinking more of the recipient using a proxy rather than CB.
Do we know when these emails date from ?

Added - Wiki says commonly in use by 2008

I just had a quick look and proxy servers are as old as the internet. I do wonder if in 2007, the same person with a Hotmail account would also be using a proxy server but it was almost certainly possible.

The deleted emails were from 2007, around the time MM disappeared.

ETA, all the content of the emails would be stored on Microsoft’s servers so even if the IP address wasn’t available, it’s possible that things like the language used - slang - may be able to geographically locate the sender - like someone from the south of England using “Pukka” to mean good or Germans saying things like “I have known her since five years.” I am pretty sure they could locate someone’s area of origin by the way they write emails… if there is enough of them.

 

[Davieson]

How long are emails stored on servers ? A google search gives all sorts of answers from a few days to for ever.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

How long are emails stored on servers ? A google search gives all sorts of answers from a few days to for ever.

I think a long time… particularly a platform like Hotmail where you may want to refer back to them years later. I would take the BKA on face value when they say they have the emails, even the ones he deleted - I’m sure that’s possible.

ETA: and it’s likely they think the person he was messaging has more info. I wonder if they know who it is but at this stage they haven’t agreed to talk.

 

[C.greek]

In the 60 minutes show, on the whole HaB came across as a credible witness.

Ultimately, the ID came down to his eyes. I am inclined to agree with the judge that a conviction BARD cannot be given.

Where I was disappointed with HaB was with her answer to the direct question, “Why was the (scar) evidence not allowed?” She responded that she didn’t know and I don’t believe that.

During the trial, it was discussed that the police examination showed no scar and FF confirmed that CB only had a scar in his groin area due to a testicular torsion issue. Perhaps @RichardKimble could confirm this from The BZ.

The scar from The Sun doco matches HaB’s description of a twist in the tights quite accurately.

What concerns me is that this photo doesn’t show CB’s face and it’s not a match to a minor testicular surgery. Finally, the judge didn’t allow it as evidence.. something is amiss.

It is possible that the photo was found in CB’s possession but he is not the subject. Going back a million posts, there was a lot of discussion of CB having a BFF with blonde hair who looked a lot like him…

So the police examination report shown on the sun's documentary, what is it? From 2018.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

So the police examination report shown on the sun's documentary, what is it? From 2018.

I don’t know. I can recall from the trial that there was a police sanctioned examination with photos and I thought that showed no scar. If you recall there were reports of him having the scar surgically removed. I’m sure that facts were provided in The BZ and I think Richard Kimble can provide what was actually said in court.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

No source but it’s quite a find if related to CB.

EXCLUSIVE: Guns found during Madeleine McCann search in Praia da Luz in Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

By Jon Clarke in Praia da Luz DETECTIVES searching for remains of missing Madeleine McCann found two buried guns in Portugal last week. The Olive Press

www.theolivepress.es

 

[frank-cole]

The release to the Sun was about publicity. On reflection, I may have gone too far with the precision of who the target was but I still think that conceptually its right.

They feel as though someone in the UK has answers. This is speculation but it’s possible they know that CB was emailing someone in the UK… I’m not an IT expert but perhaps they have traced the IP address to the UK. It’s 18 years so the PC it related to is long gone but it’s possible they know the location and can derive some understanding of whom they are looking for due to the nature of the emails.

Again, deep conjecture but stolen to order to a childless woman… the Barcelona incident and Ken Ralph are perhaps worth more consideration.

I agree I think there will be links with other paedophiles in other countries. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s somebody out there who knows exactly what happened that night.

 

[frank-cole]

No source but it’s quite a find if related to CB.

EXCLUSIVE: Guns found during Madeleine McCann search in Praia da Luz in Portugal - Olive Press News Spain

By Jon Clarke in Praia da Luz DETECTIVES searching for remains of missing Madeleine McCann found two buried guns in Portugal last week. The Olive Press

www.theolivepress.es

imo Jon Clarke has been spot on with some things but has got a few key things wrong - like the partial print on a knife in Hazel’s hotel room & witnesses who apparently saw CB in PDR running away.

Imo the journalist with the most credible information (currently) is Rob Pattinson from the sun.

 

[RichardKimble]

I don’t know. I can recall from the trial that there was a police sanctioned examination with photos and I thought that showed no scar. If you recall there were reports of him having the scar surgically removed. I’m sure that facts were provided in The BZ and I think Richard Kimble can provide what was actually said in court.

I'll have a look later today.