Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom murdered NC part 9

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks again Ocean. At some point I think there is the possibility that JY may have to sell this or at least rent it. I see nothing suspicious about that by the way. I am curious if the insurance on the note itself would actually pay out the loan due to the death of one of the owners as a result of a homicide. I'm not sure it would under the circumstances until the spouse is cleared of any and all wrong doing. Nothing relevant in this line of thought but I certainly appreciate your thoughts on this subject.

Yes, that would be very interesting to know. They do have these homeowner policies if J&M had selected it to be paid off in case of one of their deaths. I think the insurance company will hedge in doing so at this time due to the circumstances and because JY has not been eliminated as a suspect.

But I do remember in the Michael Peterson case...wasnt their home paid off when Kathleen was killed or was it the 750K life insurance he was beneficiary on that he collected and spent on attorney fees? Lol too many cases not enough brain space.

I dont think he will have a problem selling it though. Raleigh has many people coming in from other areas and may not be bothered by the murder. It does seem to be a very nice subdivision and location.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

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But I do remember in the Michael Peterson case...wasnt their home paid off when Kathleen was killed or was it the 750K life insurance he was beneficiary on that he collected and spent on attorney fees? Lol too many cases not enough brain space.

I dont think he will have a problem selling it though. Raleigh has many people coming in from other areas and may not be bothered by the murder. It does seem to be a very nice subdivision and location.

IMO

Ocean

Ocean,

I do not know about the M. Peterson case - I did not follow it but I suspect someone here did and can answer your questions. I'm still a novice luv !

 

[otto]

Hi Otto! My thought on that was simple in that Meredith simply didn't qualify for a mortgage for whatever reason and Linda bought it as an investment.

However, I didn't know you could get a mortgage with a guarrantor - a loan yes but not a mortgage.

Hi Jilly. People can buy a house, even if they don't qualify or have credit rating, if someone else is willing to guarantee the mortgage. My daughter and son-in-law didn't qualify so I guaranteed the loan - my financials were used by the bank to authorize the mortgage and the house is in their names. Of course, if they miss a payment then I'm the person that bank looks for. My single daughter did the same thing and my mom guaranteed the mortgage. With the housing market doubling and tripling these days, it's a great way to help children get started with not only financial responsibility, but with a nice capital gain.

 

[scandi]

Good morning,

I agree completely with Ocean about disclosure in selling a house where a death has occured. As a Realtor, if you learn about anything unusual or wrong with the home, it needs to be disclosed to the buyer. The only house I ever sold where there were special circumstances was a drug house, and I wrote it right into the EM agreement and it sold for a very 'good' price.

I'm back to JY's trip to Va. RPD stated yesterday " . .We do know he went to Va, as it was reported by the media yesterday". Is this true? I didn't read that, only that receipts were obtained from the SUV.

Charlie, you said there were 5 pages to the SW and I only see 4

Also, did you read the comment at CTV on the SUV thread where a poster believes JY drove all the way to Blacksburn, all the way back to Raleigh and then all the way back up to Blacksburg for the meeting? Crazy!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Jilly. People can buy a house, even if they don't qualify or have credit rating, if someone else is willing to guarantee the mortgage. My daughter and son-in-law didn't qualify so I guaranteed the loan - my financial were used by the bank to authorize the mortgage and the house is in their names. Of course, if they miss a payment then I'm the person that bank looks for. My single daughter did the same thing and my mom guaranteed the mortgage. With the housing market doubling and tripling these days, it's a great way to help children get started with not only financial responsibility, but with a nice capital gain.

Many of my clients seem to put it in their names instead of their children as a protective mechanism and of course in order for them to be able to have a new home. Many parents worry if their child is married that should there be a divorce their child will lose or have to sell the home and move out. By leaving it in their names only they have full control over who really lives there and who does not.

In most of my cases the child made the mortgage each month (hopefully they still are ) and the parent gets to deduct mortgage interest, property taxes etc... every year on their taxes. There usually is supplemental documentation written up that states if the owner should die the home will become XXXXX etc. (the child) That usually gives them ample time to build their credit history where they can then finance the home on their own.

I have seen some very responsible young adult children. I also have seen regretfully the devastation when the child doesn't act responsible and the entire burden is placed back on the parents.

I think the key to it working is knowing the child very well and if they are truly mature enough to adhere to it by the agreement discussed beforehand.

IMO

Ocean

 

[raisincharlie]

Good morning,
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I'm back to JY's trip to Va. RPD stated yesterday " . .We do know he went to Va, as it was reported by the media yesterday". Is this true? I didn't read that, only that receipts were obtained from the SUV.

Charlie, you said there were 5 pages to the SW and I only see 4

Also, did you read the comment at CTV on the SUV thread where a poster believes JY drove all the way to Blacksburn, all the way back to Raleigh and then all the way back up to Blacksburg for the meeting? Crazy!

Scandi,

The search warrant - the WRAL or WTVD link only has 4 pages - if you check the N&O article - all 5 pages are present. The last page has items 13 - 15 of the inventory (WRAL did not post this page last I checked).

The media has reported several times that JY was in Virginia, so far LE has not reported the Virginia trip definitvely, at least that I recall. I did find one interesting thing recently, Sheriff Harrison is quoted as follows:

"The only contact [with officers] was when he came back from his mother's [home] on Nov. 3," Harrison said recently. "It would be nice if he would [talk]."

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/529376.html

This pretty much confirms for me that JY was indeed in the SUV when it arrived at MF's house and that is the only time he had direct face to face contact with LE.

 

[otto]

Good morning,

I agree completely with Ocean about disclosure in selling a house where a death has occured. As a Realtor, if you learn about anything unusual or wrong with the home, it needs to be disclosed to the buyer. The only house I ever sold where there were special circumstances was a drug house, and I wrote it right into the EM agreement and it sold for a very 'good' price.

I'm back to JY's trip to Va. RPD stated yesterday " . .We do know he went to Va, as it was reported by the media yesterday". Is this true? I didn't read that, only that receipts were obtained from the SUV.

Charlie, you said there were 5 pages to the SW and I only see 4

Also, did you read the comment at CTV on the SUV thread where a poster believes JY drove all the way to Blacksburn, all the way back to Raleigh and then all the way back up to Blacksburg for the meeting? Crazy!

I just had another look at the Chris Porco murder timeline because of the similarities in terms of driving several hours, committing a murder, leaving very little evidence, and being in the right place in the morning.
http://timesunion.com/specialreports/porco/graphics/Porcotimeline.pdf

He drove 3 hours and 44 minutes to the scene of the murder, spent about 3 hours at the scene and returned to his school campus. I guess Jason could have done something similar but he would have been very tired by the time he arrived at his parents place.

 

[otto]

Many of my clients seem to put it in their names instead of their children as a protective mechanism and of course in order for them to be able to have a new home. Many parents worry if their child is married that should there be a divorce their child will lose or have to sell the home and move out. By leaving it in their names only they have full control over who really lives there and who does not.

In most of my cases the child made the mortgage each month (hopefully they still are ) and the parent gets to deduct mortgage interest, property taxes etc... every year on their taxes. There usually is supplemental documentation written up that states if the owner should die the home will become XXXXX etc. (the child) That usually gives them ample time to build their credit history where they can then finance the home on their own.

I have seen some very responsible young adult children. I also have seen regretfully the devastation when the child doesn't act responsible and the entire burden is placed back on the parents.

I think the key to it working is knowing the child very well and if they are truly mature enough to adhere to it by the agreement discussed beforehand.

IMO

Ocean

I know what you mean. I was faced with the same concerns, including the outcome in the event there is a divorce however, I was pretty confident that both girls (in their early 20s) were ready for the responsibility. It's almost 3 years later there has never been a problem. If there is a divorce, which I don't foresee, I suppose the proceeds should be split between both daughter and son-in-law because it really is a home to both of them. The bottom line is that it was healthier for their relationship if I trusted them completely and equally. With Meredith, maybe Linda had some concerns about possible problems and perhaps, as you pointed out with the tax deductions, it was better to have the home as a rental.

 

[scandi]

Thanks for that Charlie,

I meant to correct what I said about that contact, as I had read it was by phone. Not true , and was face to face.

Otto, I agree that JY would have been exhausted. I calculated if he drove 3 hours to a hotel, 3 hours back and a little over 5 hours then to his meeting, it would be almost 11 hours on the road.

 

[otto]

Thanks for that Charlie,

I meant to correct what I said about that contact, as I had read it was by phone. Not true , and was face to face.

Otto, I agree that JY would have been exhausted. I calculated if he drove 3 hours to a hotel, 3 hours back and a little over 5 hours then to his meeting, it would be almost 11 hours on the road.

I'd sure like to know what kind of condition he was in at the meeting. It would also be interesting to know what he did on Nov. 2 as he may have spent the afternoon sleeping in preparation for a long night.

He could have slept the whole 5 hours back to Raleigh and we know that he was not seen by the police when he arrived, which could have been his way of making sure they didn't see how tired he looked.

Come to think of it, I've pulled loads of all nighters and doing that at 31 isn't that difficult, but by 2-3 in the afternoon the mind gets pretty fuzzy and dealing with stress is not easy.

 

[scandi]

I bet he was quite bleary eyed Otto. LOL

The link for the SW has been removed from the NO. Drats!

Charlie, yesterday you made a statement that in your opinion he was at MF's when he was suppose to be gone on his trip. Trying to figure that out and what you really meant.

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for that Charlie,

I meant to correct what I said about that contact, as I had read it was by phone. Not true , and was face to face.

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I don't know Scandi, I only pointed this out because it does indicate there was direct contact with JY when the SUV was detained. The quote may be a response to whether or not JY has actually been "interviewed" by LE. I'll look as I do seem to recall mention of a phone call.

 

[raisincharlie]

I bet he was quite bleary eyed Otto. LOL

The link for the SW has been removed from the NO. Drats!

Charlie, yesterday you made a statement that in your opinion he was at MF's when he was suppose to be gone on his trip. Trying to figure that out and what you really meant.

I meant he was in the SUV when it showed up at MF's house 3 November - from the quote I posted above - this seems to confirm he was present at MF's house the night the SUV was detained. That's all I meant.

 

[scandi]

That makes sense Charlie. And thinking about the receipts, I think the one from the Get It Market on the 3rd confirms he was in Va.

 

[raisincharlie]

That makes sense Charlie. And thinking about the receipts, I think the one from the Get It Market on the 3rd confirms he was in Va.

Several people have done searches on that Get It Market and basically come up with virutally the same location - except Close and Strach found one that is actually inside the City of Duffield on the main drag instead of west on Highway 58 - I think they (Close & Strach) found the right Get it Market. So I believe it is safe to assume that yes JY was in Virginia sometime on Nov 3rd.

So we can pretty much confirm LE has traveled to Virginia - Florida has been confirmed - there is one remaining state - my quess - Tennessee - what's yours ?

I'm thinking the hotel receipt found will reflect somewhere in VA - just a quess- nothing more. But a hotel receipt does not by itself confirm he was in the hotel- only that he checked into it sometime on 2 November. I believe there will be video surveilance from said hotel as well. Kingsport TN is the business offices for HMG. JMO

 

[scandi]

Hmmmmm I was thinking CO for a convention/romantic trist, which would give LE reason to investigate there. When they say 4 states do you think that means it means they could have been investigated by telephone?

Kingsport TN would mean he just hung around till he thought it was a good time to go kill her and then he drove straight through to Kingsport, showered, changed into a suit in time for his appt. This could be a problem for police, and why they want to TT to him. Where did he wait? He wouldn't sit in his car all that time. A friends house? A bar? Looks like someone might know, if this was the case, and has not come forward.

If he was working on a big contract in Duffield it does make sense for the trip back there. After just murdering someone in what turned out to be such a brutal crime, hard to imagine him driving all that way and going on a sales call! He would be in a different frame of mind after all that.

I just don't see him involving another person in the crime as it would be so risky in opening up the horizon for someone to snitch.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hmmmmm I was thinking CO for a convention/romantic trist, which would give LE reason to investigate there. When they say 4 states do you think that means it means they could have been investigated by telephone? No - sheriff says they have travelled to 3 other states. With the help of White Wolf we found a medical convention and training semniar at the Denver Convention Center for the dates that match both the airline ticket and the Adams Mark Hotel found in JYs home. Telephone - they could have verified this through Chart One - expense reports and contact with other Chart One employees in attendance so I don't think LE would travel to Denver.

Also found a medical convention in Orlando FL during the early part of September - there was a hotel confirmation for 9/5 - 9/8 found in JYs home, this convention would coincide but could not verify this one as to a reason JY may have been there. As you may recall - RPD says that JY and MM had a physical meeting in September - so I am not so sure about this one.

Kingsport TN would mean he just hung around till he thought it was a good time to go kill her and then he drove straight through to Kingsport, showered, changed into a suit in time for his appt. This could be a problem for police, and why they want to TT to him. Where did he wait? He wouldn't sit in his car all that time. A friends house? A bar? Looks like someone might know, if this was the case, and has not come forward. I'm thinking Kingsport may be the location of who JY may have had a meeting with - HMG is located in Kingsport TN - they are also overseeing, planning, and accepting bids for records center in Duffield. Just a thought - maybe he was never there but he could have been.

If he was working on a big contract in Duffield it does make sense for the trip back there. After just murdering someone in what turned out to be such a brutal crime, hard to imagine him driving all that way and going on a sales call! He would be in a different frame of mind after all that. Anyone that could kill anyone is IMO in a different frame of mind, some eat pizza and drink milk while taking a shower, Mr. Robb had to take a whizz so he was going to step out the back door (conveniently finding the broken window) to do so...

I just don't see him involving another person in the crime as it would be so risky in opening up the horizon for someone to snitch.

There could be another person - regardless if so JY still is directly responsible for his wife's death if this is the case. LE starts closing in - if there is another person they will IMO sing to minimize their own culpability. As we know JY is not talking to LE - whoever gets there first will get the best deal. JMO

 

[scandi]

Thanks for all that Charlie. That was wonderful! Sittin' here chawin' on it with a smile on my face, if that is possible. LOL

Tenn makes logical sense to me if the co for the center in Duffield is located there. They'd want to ask about how he looked, was he fagged, direct eye contact, late, in general if he was as they saw him the last time. Coming back through VA they would check at the gas station to see if he was alone or if anything unusual was noticed, right. I think Denver was a legit convention and removed in time from the murder.

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for all that Charlie. That was wonderful! Sittin' here chawin' on it with a smile on my face, if that is possible. LOL

Tenn makes logical sense to me if the co for the center in Duffield is located there. They'd want to ask about how he looked, was he fagged, direct eye contact, late, in general if he was as they saw him the last time. Coming back through VA they would check at the gas station to see if he was alone or if anything unusual was noticed, right. I think Denver was a legit convention and removed in time from the murder.

I noted you referenced some drive time - you know I've studied on this drive time issue and don't see why one would think it not possible. For example when hauling horses to Florida - I drive 19 hours straight with only limited stops for gas, food, get them out to walk around a bit and back in. Granted it is not a pleasant trip but 19 hours is a good drive without rest. I seldom stop coming back either. Truckers often skirt the rules and log books to make deadlines.

Sure wish we had some perspective on time... :banghead:

P.S. - what did you think of SNL's Nancy skit from last night?

 

[scandi]

Just too incredibly funny. Palosi {sp} showing the influence her home town made on her. It was a repeat, so I had seen it before, but well worth seeing again. And Brittany, yes, hilarious too - both skits definately an A+

I miss Rachael Dratch. Wonder where she is? The funniest skit I ever saw though where I couldn't stop laughing was the Botox segment. Oh my God, 4 gals on a TV talk show, and of course none of them could talk right because their faces and BIG lips were too stiff.