Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[thefragile7393]

I prefer to be treated as an adult and allowed to make up my own mind about resources and the content they contain.

To be fair, it's the manager of the site that determines as such, not so much us, IIRC

 

[maskedwoman]

MOO
Speculation and theory:
After researching and reading a few theories and watching this most recent video, I do not think this was an intentional kidnapping or murder. I think the person was sent/hired to scare her. Then things went terribly wrong and then staging of the scene happened after the fact in the 40 minutes or before the pace maker disconnected. Now we are left to put the pieces together which is why none of what we see makes sense. Ransom notes are just opportunists trying to cash in and not related at all. I thought this from the beginning but after watching the video, I feel more strongly about this. I don’t think camera was removed right after this video of the perp but possibly after the situation went very wrong but not totally sure on that one.

My reasoning for this:
1. He’s way too nonchalant on camera for a kidnapping and really appears to inexperienced (weapon placement, foliage to cover the camera, body language)
2. He seems to want to be seen on the camera. Maybe not for police and the public but for Nancy to see him given that he does not know how this “scare” ends up.
3. He’s in the house for a long time based on the timeline given by police.
4. Blood on porch appears as if it was dripped (staged)
5. All of his “get up” appears to be newly purchased with the intention of looking scary. Weapon was placed where it was awkwardly so it was clearly visible. Not holstered on the hip which is more common.

Again, just my thoughts and MOO but things just do not add up at all.

Hi there! I have seen it suggested several times that the blood droplets were staged. I was just wondering if you had any ideas how they would go about staging blood droplets with Nancy's DNA in them. Especially if they only meant to scare her. I'm also having a hard time settling on ideas for who would want to scare her.

Even if I was just trying to scare an 84 year old lady, it seems like a very bad idea to make her bleed. And if something went so wrong that she died, I definitely wouldn't take her dead body with me. Someone is going to realize she's missing. No getting around that. Have an accident, get pulled over and it's hello prison.

 

[dogmom805]

I don't think the man in the TMZ video is the same as the man in Nancy's camera video because even though Nancy's camera video is in black and white, you can tell the backpack is a lighter color than the coat. And in TMZ's video, it's the opposite. The backpack is black and the coat is a lighter color.

Clearly he's not the same man. But if there were more than 1 person involved, maybe he is just 1 of the guys who had a part in it.

 

[submarine7]

Well I believe they are real notes sent to local news stations and TMZ. We don't know if they truly are from the kidnapper.


Same. It's can't listen to some of these people on other topics or my head explodes. But when they are talking about true crime, victims, timelines, bringing on intelligent guests, and asking good questions, I think coverage has actually been very

The notes contained unreleased information so either they are real or there is a leak somewhere and somebody got that info and used it.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Why are they BLASTING every single bit of info they get. Good grief! School will be letting out soon too. Watch out kids!

I think it is most likely a plea for that person to come forward - if they are innocent then it would be in their best interest.

 

[Momtoapug]

The glove(s) were just found yesterday 1.5 miles from NG home. They were to be immediately sent to either Quantico or Texas for dna testing.

Edited to correct, it doesnt say when the gloves were found in the home, the article was posted today.

NBC (posted today) says these were found in the home:

Posted by NBC news today at 2:15pm EST

Gloves found at Guthrie's house are being sent out for testing, the Pima County Sheriff's Department said in a statement this afternoon.
The department said "several items of evidence" were found at the residence, but provided no details beyond the gloves.
The news comes after multiple reports that a nylon glove was found at the home.



from Gloves found at Guthrie residence, sheriff’s department says

 

[Wsimm]

As for the gloves being tested for DNA, we don't know if any foreign DNA was present at NG's house, and they don't yet have a suspect that we know of. All three things have to be connected to be useful. LE put up and took down a tent at NG's front door. I would think that might be to photograph to make a more exact determination of the height of the masked man, and to home in on details. Is anyone else thinking someone broke in the back and let the masked man in? I am starting to think there may have been three - one driving, one who broke in and handled NG, and the masked man, who took down the camera.

I’ve thought that all along! My impression from the video released is that the suspect at the front door first intention was to give a knock at the metal gate (alerting another suspect already inside), but the Nest camera distracted him…he expected the camera to be off. IMO

 

[pulchra73]

Savannah is an attorney. Grad top of class Georgetown. She was NBC legal analyst, then White House correspondent before the Today Show.

Savannah Guthrie - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I just remember her from interviewing Amber Heard after the trial.

 

[LAhiker]

It seems that the only individuals who could possibly know this information would be 1.) the perp, 2.) those who first came to the house to check on NG, and 3.) LE investigators (incl forensics, photographer, etc) at the crime scene

Jmo

If the location of the smartwatch was habitual and if the floodlight was damaged days prior to the abduction, there also are 4) people who work at the house.

And anyone to whom any of the four categories of people could've leaked the info.

JMO

 

[cherryleaf]

I think it is most likely a plea for that person to come forward - if they are innocent then it would be in their best interest.

I hope that’s what it is

 

[imstilla.grandma]

An earlier email sent to the outlet Wednesday demanded one bitcoin in exchange for information on Guthrie’s suspected kidnappers. A single bitcoin is worth roughly $65,000.

There do not appear to have been any deposits sent to the bitcoin account in the email.

Nancy Guthrie crime scene perimeter ‘not big enough’: Tracy Walder
The latest email contained what TMZ described as “ominous” remarks, with the sender complaining they were not being taken seriously. In the initial note, they stated they had tried to contact Guthrie’s children but had failed.

The website did not describe the remarks in detail but said it is working with law enforcement.

The Pima County Sheriff’s Office also sent an alert to those living in a two-mile area around Guthrie’s home, asking for video footage — including that of vehicles, vehicle traffic, people, pedestrians or anything else out of the ordinary — going all the way back to Jan. 1.

New TMZ email contains ‘ominous’ remarks related to Nancy Guthrie case

Authorities have also asked those in the area for video footage going back to Jan. 1.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[cady]

Yeah. Not much seems normal in this case unfortunately.

LOTS of financial motives.....and a world of scammers out there....very few considering the tragedy and trying to be helpful

 

[cait2007]

If this person truely knows who the kidnapper is (which I doubt) and isn't telling LE, then they absolutely will be incriminated. Most likely an accessory after the fact.

They’ve also offered a $50k reward. One bitcoin is roughly $67k. They aren’t going to do the right thing over $17k?! Honestly, tell what you know and then get a reward, period. If they start giving money to any random person, who claims they know something about a case, it will set a huge precedent for the future.

Also, I’m somewhat surprised that the family hasn’t added to the reward. It’s only at $50k. You would think they would, but that’s just my two cents.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

NBC says these were found in the home today:

Posted by NBC news today at 2:15pm EST

Gloves found at Guthrie's house are being sent out for testing, the Pima County Sheriff's Department said in a statement this afternoon.
The department said "several items of evidence" were found at the residence, but provided no details beyond the gloves.
The news comes after multiple reports that a nylon glove was found at the home.



from Gloves found at Guthrie residence, sheriff’s department says

This is crazy to me. They have searched her place multiple times including the surrounding brush, how could they have only discovered a glove yesterday.

 

[K.jill]

In the past I would have agreed that FBI agents are consummate professionals. They brought expertise and resources to major investigations like the Boston Marathon bombing. Not so any more. The agency has been hollowed out over the past year in my opinion and as widely reported in MSM. Two cites among the widespread coverage from major media outlets:

Senior Agent Who Helped Oversee F.B.I.’s Response to Jan. 6 Is Fired

Deepening its purge, the bureau forced out Steven Jensen, whose ascent had angered Trump supporters, and Brian Driscoll, the acting director in the early chaotic days of the administration.

www.nytimes.com

Trump pledges FBI reform, but big purge of agents could backfire

Possible widespread firings of FBI agents are raising concerns about the agency’s ability to keep the public safe and to be politically independent.

www.csmonitor.com

The FBI still brings resources and manpower. But that's not enough. The FBI supports local law enforcement by developing leads from raw information, organizing the investigation efficiently and effectively. It no longer brings the level of expertise and professionalism it was famous for.

What the FBI's mass exodus means for the bureau's future

CBS News has learned hundreds of FBI agents and staff have been fired or are leaving due to the government's worker buyout program. It all represents a fork in the road for the bureau. Scott MacFarlane has more.

www.cbsnews.com

If BE's anonymous source is accurate, it came from or is about the federal side, in my opinion based on recent high-profile crimes. In the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the mass shooting at Brown University, premature leaks from federal investigators mischaracterized the status of the investigation, leading to public statements by federal officeholders and reporting by the media that the culprit was in custody. The misinformation had to be walked back shortly after when the individual being questioned was released without charges. With Brown, federal authorities gave the all-clear twice while the shooter was at large.

This has been on my mind a lot but could not figure out how to express that. Thank you.

 

[armchairagatha]

Well I believe they are real notes sent to local news stations and TMZ. We don't know if they truly are from the kidnapper.


Same. It's can't listen to some of these people on other topics or my head explodes. But when they are talking about true crime, victims, timelines, bringing on intelligent guests, and asking good questions, I think coverage has actually been very good.

At least one note was from the kidnapper(s) because it gave very specific information about NG's room and items in that room (like the location of her Apple watch). Unless that info was leaked in the press earlier, I don't see how anyone who had never been in that room before could have known that.
I think LE has a list of suspects at this point - but they need DNA to tie them to the crime scene. My suspect list would include all the delivery guys and service people who had been at the house in the past few months. Their associations to NG are transient and they might have thought it couldn't be traced back to them. As opposed to her family or regular household help who would be the obvious suspects. JMO.

 

[Donswife48]

Clearly he's not the same man. But if there were more than 1 person involved, maybe he is just 1 of the guys who had a part in it.

If it's not the same man, then NG's neighborhood is not very safe. Both suspicious persons seen within miles on the same date, and approximately the same time. JMO

 

[submarine7]

New video of man with backpack:

Breaking: An Update In The Nancy Guthrie Case ... New Video Emerges

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ ... the FBI is lasering in on the man in the video, who is both wearing and carrying backpacks ... right around the time of the kidnapping.

www.tmz.com

Why does he hold the other backup up when he's messing with the gate?

 

[Auburnlucky7]

Bumping (my own post... sorry) as relevant re: update on FBI and PC Sheriffs trying to question the man on the Ring camera video per @MassGuy's post.

See original post for:
1. screenshot map of likely location of that Ring camera route to NG's home
2. TMZ article (with video of that man)
3. location of gloves found which would match said route as well as where they are seeking camera footage now (or at least part of the route)

I also talk about how there may have been multiple people involved and there could have been a backpack "handoff" at some point given the Nest footage includes the man both with and without the backpack.

dbm

 

[Wsimm]

I think it is most likely a plea for that person to come forward - if they are innocent then it would be in their best interest.

Right. The difference between a misdemeanor (peeping tom) or possibly the death penalty.