• #25,061
I’m in complete agreement, the perps wanted NG dead (sorry), gone. But why?

A theory:
I thought NG maybe saw something, maybe drugs in a workers trunk( for their night job!), and maybe Nancy said “are those drugs?”, the man waved her off, “ no worries, no, not drugs, closed trunk.

Later he thought, what is she reports him, something as simple as that. He thought NG might be a risk to his freedom, if she stayed alive.
Just another idea idea, JMO
I had similar thoughts about a worker she may have accused of fraud or theft.... someone who wanted her silenced.
 
  • #25,062
I have been wondering the same thing! Years ago the famous baseball player Cal Ripken's mother was abducted. Her kidnapper drove her around for a day before finally dropping her back off at home, unharmed. No ransom, no demands, nothing. They still don't know who did it, but a popular theory is that he tried to abduct a random old lady to get some cash, but started freaking out when he saw on the news that he'd abducted the mother of one of Baltimore's most beloved celebrities.

More about that, here: Cal Ripken's mom abducted, now safe
Oh, yes. I'd forgotten about that. She was dropped off as LE response and media coverage were ramping up. That was such a relief.
 
  • #25,063
I’m still thinking about the items being taken out of AG residence in brown bags yesterday. Obviously they are not the person shown in the camera footage, so their involvement is unlikely IMO. But what were they taking?
 
  • #25,064
Don’t overthink it too much. His motive for disabling the camera was concealment. Be that him alone, other people, NG.

Well sure. But his behavior may provide inferences into other facts that are currently unknown.
 
  • #25,065
IMO that has nothing to do with any of this
I said that because I thought I read the video released today (with the man with 2 backpacks) was filmed 5 miles south of Nancy's house, which is the opposite of Nancy's neighborhood. Maybe I got that wrong...
 
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What do you make of the ransom author saying per Harvey Levin that Nancy's watch was at the foot of a bed?
When I think foot of the bed I think a bench. How many people have a dresser 3 or more feet away from the foot of the bed?
 
  • #25,067
I’m still thinking about the items being taken out of AG residence in brown bags yesterday. Obviously they are not the person shown in the camera footage, so their involvement is unlikely IMO. But what were they taking?
I think they were gathering personal items for the family.
 
  • #25,068
DBM
 
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  • #25,070
If NG was removed in a body bag, can you explain the presence of the blood on the doorstep?
I definitely think this was personal and that someone wanted her gone. We need to just figure out who and why. As far as the blood droplets on her doorstep, maybe she was smacked at the doorstep, and then carried somewhere. Just saying
 
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It's unfathomable that investigators just TODAY removed the Nest mounting bracket after knowing the perpetrator had touched it. Who knows how many random people have messed with it over the last 12 days.

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Sometimes I feel like some organization/group/aliens is conducting some kind of social experiment on the whole entire US population with this case.

I know that’s not happening but boy it feels like it.
 
  • #25,072
What do you make of the ransom author saying per Harvey Levin that Nancy's watch was at the foot of a bed?
I think someone with direct knowledge of the crime scene let that slip to Mr. Levin. Just saying
 
  • #25,073
Authorities launched a large-scale search shortly thereafter, and Nancy's home was subsequently declared a crime scene. Two deadlines outlined on an alleged ransom note sent to several media outlets passed, with the Guthrie family declining to meet the $4 million, and then $6 million demand.
 
  • #25,074
Do we know when the backpack was first released?

If it was only recently that would possibly rule out second-hand.

It’s also possible it was gifted to the perp.
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I’m still thinking about the items being taken out of AG residence in brown bags yesterday. Obviously they are not the person shown in the camera footage, so their involvement is unlikely IMO. But what were they taking?
I’d say with the way they grabbed the mail, it’s nothing
 
  • #25,075
Thank you @MassGuy.

Unless LE can pinpoint that NG hand or face blood is from early AM 2/1, then as I've suggested ^, I wonder if that was blood from an everyday bleed for an 84 year old likely on an anti-coagulent (my suspicion per recent pics).

She could have had a bleed that started when she got out of a car in her driveway - maybe caught her hand on something... or maybe her return from her mailbox where she bumped her had.

Then in this scenario, when she stopped at the door to get in (get keys?), she would have dropped a concentration of blood, likely from her hand. IMO.
While it's true that she may have bled easily, blood isn't visible on the tiles in the video that the FBI recovered from the Nest doorbell camera. So it appears that the blood must have gotten there after the masked man disables the camera.

 
  • #25,076
I think someone with direct knowledge of the crime scene let that slip to Mr. Levin. Just saying
Wow, if so that's messed up. You could be right. I hadn't thought of that but he has many connections and sources!
 
  • #25,077
Sometimes I feel like some organization/group/aliens is conducting some kind of social experiment on the whole entire US population with this case.

I know that’s not happening but boy it feels like it.
Hah! That feeling occurred to many in the SM world with the Kiely Rodni case in Truckee, CA a few years ago, after it was closed here on WS. Sorry to distract.
 
  • #25,078
While it's true that she may have bled easily, blood isn't visible on the tiles in the video that the FBI recovered from the Nest doorbell camera. So it appears that the blood must have gotten there after the masked man disables the camera.

Excellent observation. I'll cease that line of sleuthing then. 😀
 
  • #25,079
Totally agree with all of this ^^^
Nancy was likely killed the first night, dumped( very sorry) in the desert outside of town.
Why is the question, who would want her gone.

I speculated earlier in thread, NG saw something, maybe as simple as drugs in a workers trunk (his moonlighting job), he was at her house working on a job, maybe the roof. Maybe she even said “ is that drugs?”, he waved it off, “no worries, just materials for a job”, closed trunk.
Later, The person decided it was too big a threat to have her live, she might turn him in.

Just another idea to think about, JMO.
Been saying several times to search the desert - relatively near Tucson (because I doubt the perps went far into the desert). Sad, but that's where a body would be dumped.
 
  • #25,080
The clip, obtained by TMZ, showed a man wearing a backpack and hoisting another one above a brick wall around 1:53 a.m, before a masked, armed man arrived at the home of the 84-year-old mother of “Today” anchor Savannah Guthrie.

The surveillance footage of the man with the backpacks was captured roughly five miles from Nancy Guthrie’s home, according to the outlet.

The FBI and the Pima County Sheriff’s Office are reviewing the video because the man appears to be dressed similarly to the alleged kidnapper captured in separate doorbell camera footage at Guthrie’s home, a source close to the investigation

In an update provided to JJ, they said, “Investigators have recovered several items of evidence, including gloves. As part of the investigative process, all viable evidence is submitted for analysis.”

In a second update, TMZ is saying they received a follow up to their third ransom note. So now, there is a fourth ransom note in play, according to the site.

Derrick Callella appeared in federal court on one count of intent to transmit a demand for ransom and one count of utilizing a telecommunications device to anonymously abuse, threaten or harass a person.

 
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