• #11,581
Dinner and games? Sounds wholesome.Did anyone outside of the family witness this to confirm?
I keep considering the uber ride.
Did NG hire the uber because her car had been borrowed and was in AG garage?
Was there an argument in the garage ?
Everything staged after that.
 
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Yes, although it seems SIL and AG are no longer living at the house. That could be to evade media scrutiny, but also because the house is a potential scene of crime (and they are not taping up the house to avoid prejudicing the investigation).
Yes, that's definitely something to consider.
Time will tell...
 
  • #11,584
From Google: Fresh blood at a crime scene appears bright red, wet, and glossy, whereas old blood turns dark reddish-brown, dry, and eventually grey, with texture changing from liquid to brittle flakes. Forensic analysts distinguish them to estimate the time of death (time since deposition), as blood oxidation (hemoglobin degradation) acts as a "crime clock"

Fresh Blood (Minutes to Days)

  • Appearance: Bright red, wet, and glossy.
  • Texture: Liquid, sticky, or forming soft, pliable clots.
  • Analysis: Easy to identify; DNA extraction is straightforward. Often indicates recent, active events.
  • Detection: Can be identified with visual inspection or simple chemical tests.
Thank you. Did the picture appear to be old or new blood?
 
  • #11,585
My thoughts on opening the garage door... if someone is dropping me off at home, I would walk in through my front door. If I'm not parking a vehicle in the garage its not likely I'm opening that door. Do people really do this? Maybe it just makes more sense with the layout of her house. Was it opened because someone knew there would be a record of it being opened?

MOO
I live in the burbs. Almost everyone I know enters through the garage, even when being dropped off. We all have keypads that control our garage doors.
 
  • #11,586
Honestly, there has been so much happening on this case and so many twists and turns it's easy to get lost.

If we zoom out, I feel Occam's Razor leads us to the solution. What is the probability an 84 year old is randomly kidnapped and held ransom? What is the probability someone is kidnapped or murdered by someone known to them?

I feel the detail about NG being the mother of a famous morning show anchor is interesting / coincidental but not actually relevant at all to what happened.
 
  • #11,587
Yes, although it seems SIL and AG are no longer living at the house. That could be to evade media scrutiny, but also because the house is a potential scene of crime (and they are not taping up the house to avoid prejudicing the investigation).
Can you imagine dealing with the disappearance of your mom, the possibility of her death, on top of having media surrounding your home and being scrutinized as possible suspects?!? I would definitely live somewhere else if I were in their shoes!
 
  • #11,588
I also wonder if there is more than 1-2 persons involved?
I hope so. The more people involved, the greater the chance one will fold.
 
  • #11,589
I live in the burbs. Almost everyone I know enters through the garage, even when being dropped off. We all have keypads that control our garage doors.
Yes, my elderly mother when living in a condo always used the garage door to exit and enter; never the front door.
 
  • #11,590
I was feeling similar, but on hearing more details about the searches (no feds, no police tape) I'm beginning to wonder?

Statistically family is often involved in a disappearance, yet I am left as usual with this case feeling it's another roadblock. I don't know what to think at this point.
LE will need to tread softly because they don’t yet know if this is a kidnapping or a murder at this point. If it is a kidnapping and NG is still alive, they don’t want the kidnappers to do something desperate and kill her. Is this still a rescue operation or not? WS posters seem to think it is not but what do LE think?
 
  • #11,592
Can you imagine dealing with the disappearance of your mom, the possibility of her death, on top of having media surrounding your home and being scrutinized as possible suspects?!? I would definitely live somewhere else if I were in their shoes!
But we know the earlier Instagram video was filmed at AG's house, implying they were living there at least earlier this week. And then they leave and the searches are carried out while they are elsewhere. Interesting...
 
  • #11,593
Looking at Nancy in her photo is heart wrenching

Financial motive yes I can see someone doing this for money and Nancy is good leverage as she tugs at the public heartstrings because of her vulnerability

,why at this time , is it a coincidence that her daughter was due to go to host at the winter Olympics . Is it a coincidence her son was high up in the military.

Is it the work of one individual or a faction?

How is the bitcoin going to be spent 🤔 is it about the money or the power and control ?

6 million is not that much in the grand scheme of things . The risk doesn't outlay the reward imo . You can't disappear with 6 million. Do they plan more kidnaps for ransom and are starting small to see what they can get away with ?

With bitcoin if small enough amounts are stored in pockets and invested can it be traced if those pockets are encrypted. Would the fbi only be looking for large monetary movement 🤔
 
  • #11,594
My thoughts on opening the garage door... if someone is dropping me off at home, I would walk in through my front door. If I'm not parking a vehicle in the garage its not likely I'm opening that door. Do people really do this? Maybe it just makes more sense with the layout of her house. Was it opened because someone knew there would be a record of it being opened?

MOO
We never use the front door at my parent’s house. If they know we’re coming over they will open the garage door in advance. If they don’t, we’ll open it ourselves because we know the code (and I’m pretty certain we’ve also had our car buttons hooked up to open it as well in cars past). The garage has light, it goes directly into the spaces where we hang out. The front door, like NG’s has a security door, will be locked, and nobody wants to be disturbed by the doorbell.
 
  • #11,595
is it possible they're just using AG & T's house as a base for processing and documenting evidence found at NG's? would that ever happen? if they believe it's a legit ransom from someone who still has NG and they believe them to be in the area, maybe they don't want to go too far?
 
  • #11,596
My thoughts/ideas:
1) It's at the perp's request (more attention seeking behavior, likes the power)
2) There's no other option since perp didn't provide the means to communicate directly (which would give LE more hints to their identity)
MOO
The only communication the perp should want is payment. While we understand that there will be some back and forth in the negotiations, it should stay in business mode.

I agree that there appears to be an element of attention seeking, narcissism, control.

This is a mistake on the part of the kidnapper.
 
  • #11,597
Good Morning fellow Sluethers! Reusing a positive hopeful line from the Abby and Libby case (RIP).

TODAY is the DAY!

Hoping we get some good news on NG's whereabouts today!
 
  • #11,598
I have a question regarding blood on the front porch. We know it is her blood. DNA showed that and it was released by LE to press. Do they know how old the blood is? Is that able to be determined? What if she cut her finger chopping a salad a month ago? So my question is can DNA blood test tell how long the blood has been there? Thanks!
 
  • #11,599
is it possible they're just using AG & T's house as a base for processing and documenting evidence found at NG's? would that ever happen? if they believe it's a legit ransom from someone who still has NG and they believe them to be in the area, maybe they don't want to go too far?
No, LE would never process evidence at another potential evidence scene. Cross contamination risk.
 
  • #11,600
My thoughts on opening the garage door... if someone is dropping me off at home, I would walk in through my front door. If I'm not parking a vehicle in the garage its not likely I'm opening that door. Do people really do this? Maybe it just makes more sense with the layout of her house. Was it opened because someone knew there would be a record of it being opened?

MOO
It varies on the house layout - All the clients I've cared for 80% of the time they preferred garage over the front door even when the front door was closer. It also allows them to feel safe, especially late at night. It was odd that the SIL didn't stay around long enough, but I know this varies on a lot of factors. As it has been talked about, elders even 80+ can be quite nimble and never rule out what they are capabile of doing.

I know it was mentioned about the health NG had, limited ambulatory, and suffering from varies conditions at the time(UTI, Pacemaker, etc) never count them out still. I've been surprised to see my clients beat me into the house without assistance, at times when I know my clients are capable I semi-encourage it, you don't want them to feel useless consistantly.. especially reaching EOL. It's not always, and again it varies on the degree of the health NG was suffering with, without visually seeing it ourselves we cannot determine it was bad enough that NG couldn't be just dropped of.
 
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