AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[wibbleflea]

Do you have a source for vpn providers being required to keep US user logs? I did a google search and found nothing

The general stance of VPN providers has shifted slightly but it appears to be the case from one of the leading VPNs that logs will be kept if a law enforcement agency asks in advance about a specific user.

NordVPN: Actually, We Do Comply With Law Enforcement Data Requests

The VPN provider quietly changed a 2017 blog post to note that it does comply with lawful requests for data; it also notes it doesn't log customer activity 'unless ordered by a court in an appropriate, legal way.'

uk.pcmag.com

“We are 100% committed to our zero-logs policy – to ensure users’ ultimate privacy and security, we never log their activity unless ordered by a court in an appropriate, legal way,” the blog post now reads.

LE hasn't, to my knowledge, stated that a VPN was used, alone or in conjunction with another service. It could have been an online anonymizer, a VPN, or a combination of both. It's possible to daisy-chain these services internationally. I won't link to anonymizers but plenty exist online and are easily found.

 

[Inthedetails]

We need more info.

 

[vlbay]

I'm sorry, but I just have to strongly disagree (MY OPINION) that you need to be a professional hacker or group to hide your identity better than using an mainstream western VPN service. It might not be something that most people here know how to do, but it also is really not difficult. I've already written one too-long post going through some possibilities, and I don't really feel like re-writing it, but I will say that in my strongly based personal opinion and experience, it is a mistake to assume that someone needs to be ultra-sophisticated or a professional hacker to successfully hide from US authorities online (and especially if we define "hiding" not as hiding forever, but hiding in such a way that it can take days or weeks to track them down, rather than just making a call to ExpressVPN or whatever).

I agree...but I find it hard to square (if we're looking at AG and SIL) that they would be dumb enough to make up a fake church call (easily verifiable) and also savvy enough to send this type of ransom note.

 

[moxiemom]

Tucson is in no way, shape or form controlled by cartels. This information is wholly and egregiously false. I’ve lived here for three decades. It is wrong to spread this false information.

THANK YOU!!!

 

[AZLocal]

Thank you for sharing!

I really am surprised the perp has gotten so lucky thus far. It seems they definitely would've been caught on some of those main road cameras.

They may very well have been.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Just now, I took a photo of a televised CNN story on the Guthrie disappearance: This is my photo.
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Please note that there is no mention of the “11:00 am phone call from church member”

This is basically just a reformatting (with the a couple of events omitted) from the same timeline diagram that LE presented at the Thursday press conference. I don't think it adds any new verification or info. It's just MSM reporting what they were told by LE on Thursday, which is what we've been discussing — the initial press conference mentioned the church visit. The second press conference on Thursday did not. The criminal complaint against the hoax ransom note on the same day (Thursday) did. Conclusion: we still don't know if it happened, and if it did, why the sheriff left it off of the Thursday timeline, and if that's significant or not.

Sources:

Thursday press conference (timestamp link to video showing the official timeline):

Criminal complaint from Thursday mentioning the church call: https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/media/1426976/dl?inline

Better image of the sheriff timeline:

 

[turaj]

Absolutely not the case with many families. Every family is different, of course. Most crimes I follow revolve around money. Money has a powerful way of coming in-between people - sometimes even the closest people.

Within my own family - I am financially in a much better place than my siblings. With that said I don't feel it is my responsibility to pay their bills/debts even though I easily could. Once one starts - when does it end if ever is my concern. Who knows about SG and what she would do, but money can absolutely cause rifts in families whether it is a little money or a lot.

Also, SG is married with kids. My husband and I have his side and my side asking for money. We used to be more generous until more money was expected and resentment started to grow. There are a lot of many different issues that can arise when loaning money to family or even giving money to family. All sorts of issues can develop.

Moo.

again as with so much we don't know what if any discussion of money there has been. Maybe for example if AG and husband have asked for money consistently over the years and SG or NG has helped them and finally started saying no. WE don't know if they have habits that require large sums of cash. I think no matter who the captor is this is about money. As said money can really cause stress and more in families especially when you have one sibling with so much more than others.

 

[txsleuth70]

This is important because this contradicts the ‘official timeline’. The FBI must release an updated ‘official timeline’. Unbelievably we have a representative from the FBI giving swore testimony in an Arizona Federal Court that destroy’s the ‘official timeline’.

This misleads the credibility of the investigation. It does not instill confidence in the veracity of the information released by the FBI. I would categorize it as sloppy.

The FBI needs to clarify this but I won’t hold my breath.

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Alleged Church lady phone call was Feb 1. Calella phone call Feb 4 - they are not one and the same.

 

[Skagirl]

I keep going to back to language of the video posted on SG's instagram on Saturday. She says "This is the only way we will have peace, this is very valuable to us - and we will pay." I just feel like the wording is so strange. I would think she would say "she is very valuable to us" if she were still alive. (I very much hope that she is). JMO

 

[LAborn]

You could be right. But if some yard worker owes the cartel and knows he could repay it by helping them kidnap some woman and they could get a few million and he could pay his bill what makes you think he wouldn’t that? After all, cartels are not good up front businessmen. They specialize in dirty work.

Sorry, but this train of thought reeks of racism, I won't entertain it.

 

[Cipher Vale]

THERE WAS NO BAR VISIT AND THERE WAS NO SPUTUM IN THE BLOOD.THOSE WERE SPECULATIONS BY POSTERS OR UNINFORMED AND UNCORROBORATED MUSINGS BY POSTERS. THE SHERIFF MENTIONED THE CALL FROM THE CHURCH LADY ONCE. THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DEBUNKED. IF SOMEONE CAN ABSOLITELY VERIFY A BAR VISIT, A PLACE WHERE IT WAS VERIFIED THAT THERE WAS SPUTUM IN THE BLOOD OR THAT THERE WAS NO CHURCH LADY, PLEASE POST IT HERE AS THIS IS GETTING CRAZY. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN POSTER'S OPINIONS ARE TAKEN AS FACTS. SOMEONE OPINED THAT IF SHE WAS BLEEDING FROM THE MOUTH THE BLOOD SPOTS WOULD CONTAIN SPUTUM. NOW SUDDENLY , THIS IS THE NEW BENCHMARK..

If the bar visit thing is based off my theory - then it was made clear is was my thoughts and was an example of the timeline making some sense. If the bar visit is traced to another source - then just know that my mentioning of it was purely a theory based on the timeline and under my assumption that AG may not be involved and could have been lied to about someone's whereabouts

 

[SMK777]

I agree...but I find it hard to square (if we're looking at AG and SIL) that they would be dumb enough to make up a fake church call (easily verifiable) and also savvy enough to send this type of ransom note.

My opinion only:

1. They may have assumed being family that the church call would be accepted without question or checking by LE. Have seen it happen in other cases.

2. Ransom note may not be connected, or have been done for pay by an accomplice.
JMO!

 

[abanddb123]

Hear me out on this. My opinion is that the ransom and ransom person is real. However, I don't feel I'm ever correct like Mass Guy...LOL

But taking a step back....lets go with what we DO KNOW. We know this has been flip flopping between family involvement and a ransomer. (is that even a word...LOL)

But what has happened in the last few days to shift that focus. I believe the focus has in fact shifted. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Neighbor says hey check the roof, looks too new to me. LE goes up there checks the roof and finds the camera. There is no reporting about what LE found on that camera if anything. BUT...what if they did? Could that explain the shift back onto the family by the sheriff's office? The Sheriff was attending a NCAA game Friday night. Could he be of the mindset--yeah we know what happened here now--we just need to prove it. Could explain a lot of things.

Where again can I read about camera on the roof. I have only read front ring camera is gone. Thank you

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020901445118079449

 

[MCB1151]

I never had anything but doubts. My only questions are whether this is a JBR situation (fake ransom to cover murder) or some unrelated opportunistic looking for money. The delayed timing makes me think it’s the latter.

I'm with you. I have been suspicious of the ransom since it first "appeared". The delay in sending the first demand is wildly off for a "typical" ransom kidnapping. You kidnap someone, especially an elderly person with medical issues, you want that money fast, you send POF, get that money & get that person out of your custody ASAP before something happens to them medically. I think you have to really consider that this was not a young, healthy individual that was allegedly kidnapped for ransom - this is an elderly woman with medical concerns and mobility issues (I know, I know, the family insists she's in super shape). This would be a get in, get out, get GONE situation.

JMOO

 

[Trino]

Hear-say but, I have a friend in Dallas who has worked for several businesses. He said a lot of them stay open only due to the money they get through money laundering.

This is true in many US cities, including my area. Obvious that small businesses have almost no customers, yet they're still open.

 

[ab01]

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. I believe there might be some confusion about the actual connection of bluetooth between the two devices.

While most if not all pacemakers don't have real time monitoring between the devices, rather instead an interrogation at certain times. I do believe they would still show connected to ones smart phone.

While there might not be data transmission or "syncing" continuously, they would still show a connection while in range IMO.

Would it be possible that when Investigators said the pacemaker app said disconnect from phone that it was referring to the app losing basic BT connection to the device and not actually losing connection while in the middle of an interrogation?

Edited to add: 2:28am seems like a random time for an interrogation to be taking place. MOO


Yes, pacemakers can maintain a Bluetooth connection with a phone app even when not actively interrogating. This allows for continuous monitoring and data transmission to the app, providing patients and healthcare providers with real-time information about the device's status and performance. For instance, Bluetooth-enabled pacemakers, like those using the MyCareLink Heart app, facilitate ongoing communication, ensuring that important data is readily accessible without the need for frequent manual checks and reconnecting to Bluetooth.
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Replying to myself just to add. I would also think it would be a pretty huge coincidence that:

2:12am software detects person on camera

2:28am pacemaker app shows disconnect from phone

That's a mere 15min

Now I know that's a assuming that there was an actual person on camera ( no way of telling due to the recording system overwriting itself).

But I do believe investigators think it's significant. MOO

 

[AZLocal]

A week later? That would logically be one of the first things they would do? I am really. wondering what happened those first days other than Sheriff going on

They used dogs, drones, helicopters, and ground searchers from multiple agencies. I think it appears to us that the search was quick because it took a while for this to even hit the news.

Can confirm. I witnessed all of this happening. No one was sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

The general stance of VPN providers has shifted slightly but it appears to be the case from one of the leading VPNs that logs will be kept if a law enforcement agency asks in advance about a specific user.

NordVPN: Actually, We Do Comply With Law Enforcement Data Requests

The VPN provider quietly changed a 2017 blog post to note that it does comply with lawful requests for data; it also notes it doesn't log customer activity 'unless ordered by a court in an appropriate, legal way.'

uk.pcmag.com

LE hasn't, to my knowledge, stated that a VPN was used, alone or in conjunction with another service. It could have been an online anonymizer, a VPN, or a combination of both. It's possible to daisy-chain these services internationally. I won't link to anonymizers but plenty exist online and are easily found.

What that is saying is if LE asks them to track user XYZ, they will then turn on the logging function for XYZ to capture future sessions. So useless for past sessions. Do I have that right?

 

[Cindizzi]

Nothing new

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020833423338684600