Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[MCB1151]

I never had anything but doubts. My only questions are whether this is a JBR situation (fake ransom to cover murder) or some unrelated opportunistic looking for money. The delayed timing makes me think it’s the latter.

I'm with you. I have been suspicious of the ransom since it first "appeared". The delay in sending the first demand is wildly off for a "typical" ransom kidnapping. You kidnap someone, especially an elderly person with medical issues, you want that money fast, you send POF, get that money & get that person out of your custody ASAP before something happens to them medically. I think you have to really consider that this was not a young, healthy individual that was allegedly kidnapped for ransom - this is an elderly woman with medical concerns and mobility issues (I know, I know, the family insists she's in super shape). This would be a get in, get out, get GONE situation.

JMOO

 

[Trino]

Hear-say but, I have a friend in Dallas who has worked for several businesses. He said a lot of them stay open only due to the money they get through money laundering.

This is true in many US cities, including my area. Obvious that small businesses have almost no customers, yet they're still open.

 

[ab01]

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. I believe there might be some confusion about the actual connection of bluetooth between the two devices.

While most if not all pacemakers don't have real time monitoring between the devices, rather instead an interrogation at certain times. I do believe they would still show connected to ones smart phone.

While there might not be data transmission or "syncing" continuously, they would still show a connection while in range IMO.

Would it be possible that when Investigators said the pacemaker app said disconnect from phone that it was referring to the app losing basic BT connection to the device and not actually losing connection while in the middle of an interrogation?

Edited to add: 2:28am seems like a random time for an interrogation to be taking place. MOO


Yes, pacemakers can maintain a Bluetooth connection with a phone app even when not actively interrogating. This allows for continuous monitoring and data transmission to the app, providing patients and healthcare providers with real-time information about the device's status and performance. For instance, Bluetooth-enabled pacemakers, like those using the MyCareLink Heart app, facilitate ongoing communication, ensuring that important data is readily accessible without the need for frequent manual checks and reconnecting to Bluetooth.
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Replying to myself just to add. I would also think it would be a pretty huge coincidence that:

2:12am software detects person on camera

2:28am pacemaker app shows disconnect from phone

That's a mere 15min

Now I know that's a assuming that there was an actual person on camera ( no way of telling due to the recording system overwriting itself).

But I do believe investigators think it's significant. MOO

 

[AZLocal]

A week later? That would logically be one of the first things they would do? I am really. wondering what happened those first days other than Sheriff going on

They used dogs, drones, helicopters, and ground searchers from multiple agencies. I think it appears to us that the search was quick because it took a while for this to even hit the news.

Can confirm. I witnessed all of this happening. No one was sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

The general stance of VPN providers has shifted slightly but it appears to be the case from one of the leading VPNs that logs will be kept if a law enforcement agency asks in advance about a specific user.

NordVPN: Actually, We Do Comply With Law Enforcement Data Requests

The VPN provider quietly changed a 2017 blog post to note that it does comply with lawful requests for data; it also notes it doesn't log customer activity 'unless ordered by a court in an appropriate, legal way.'

uk.pcmag.com

LE hasn't, to my knowledge, stated that a VPN was used, alone or in conjunction with another service. It could have been an online anonymizer, a VPN, or a combination of both. It's possible to daisy-chain these services internationally. I won't link to anonymizers but plenty exist online and are easily found.

What that is saying is if LE asks them to track user XYZ, they will then turn on the logging function for XYZ to capture future sessions. So useless for past sessions. Do I have that right?

 

[Cindizzi]

Nothing new

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020833423338684600

 

[turaj]

I agree about the family - if they were involved, I'd think LE would have discovered so much leading to them by now they'd be in for extensive questioning, if not in custody. I can't see it for the reason we've not seen anything like. We have AB reporting him being a possible suspect and that's pretty much it.

the whereabouts of family seems to be unknown. I don't know but "extensive question" or interview could be done where they are staying? Or do they have to come to a station? Given the media attention more interviews may be going on off site?

 

[Starkville]

Regarding the “church call”, what changed in approximately 17 hours between the filing of the complaint and the sheriffs presser? At approximately 6:02 PM on February 4th, LE had realized the ransom was a hoax by Callella. The last pressor from the Tucson sheriff was February 5th at approximately 11 AM. Lack of follow through from whoever filed the complaint? It just seems odd to me that the church call was added to the complaint but omitted from the timeline and pressor.

It’s entirely possible that whoever drafted the complaint didn’t even realize that the church call was dropped from the timeline. Maybe it was a clerk in the prosecutor’s office who wasn’t watching the Sheriff’s press conference. Nanos made no mention either way.

Not many outside of Websleuths, IMO, have noticed the omission. (Credit to Axios for keeping up to date!)

Up until today, I’m pretty sure CNN has been including the call in their published timelines (I may be wrong about this!). It only stuck out to me because I’m watching for it now, thanks to the Websleuths discussions.

 

[mikeshanty]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020901445118079449

A search with potentially FARO scans a week after NG goes missing was "consensual" and "expected"? I don't think that was routine at all in my opinion or just "clearing" them. If they needed to be "cleared", would that not have taken place earlier in the week? jmo

 

[allboys]

I agree...but I find it hard to square (if we're looking at AG and SIL) that they would be dumb enough to make up a fake church call (easily verifiable) and also savvy enough to send this type of ransom note.

I must have missed something. Is it verified that AG and SIL made up a fake church call?

 

[HoveringWombats]

DBM; I think I misread

 

[Simply Southern]

If the bar visit thing is based off my theory - then it was made clear is was my thoughts and was an example of the timeline making some sense. If the bar visit is traced to another source - then just know that my mentioning of it was purely a theory based on the timeline and under my assumption that AG may not be involved and could have been lied to about someone's whereabouts

Moo…If the SIL was hanging out at a bar after dropping her off …I believe locals and the bar would be calling this out. Some secrets you just can’t keep. Moo

 

[Ninety Nine]

Sorry, but this train of thought reeks of racism, I won't entertain it.

I thought people were trying to figure out if contractors visiting the house might have set up the kidnapping. Doesn't matter the race of contractor. Don't see race in any scenario where a worker may be involved.

 

[moonglow123]

I keep going to back to language of the video posted on SG's instagram on Saturday. She says "This is the only way we will have peace, this is very valuable to us - and we will pay." I just feel like the wording is so strange. I would think she would say "she is very valuable to us" if she were still alive. (I very much hope that she is). JMO

The wording of the family and how LE is treating the investigation does make it seem like they think she's no longer alive. I wonder if they've gotten any clues in that regard, or they're just being realistic based on the situation. Not a knock, but I would expect LE to have a bit more urgency if they expected she was still alive ... the investigation drawing on for over a week with few clues makes it seem very grim.

Of course, that being said, I do hope there's a chance she's still alive Heartbreaking situation all around.

 

[DizzyB]

Not one new thing, and some of the old stuff isn’t necessarily fact. Stuff I believe-Nancy is missing. Apple Watch in the house. Nancy’s blood on the porch. Garage door opened and closed. Nancy ubered. 911 was called. Pacemaker interrogation failed. A camera detected motion. Doorbell camera is missing.

 

[MassGuy]

A search with potentially FARO scans a week after NG goes missing was "consensual" and "expected"? I don't think that was routine at all in my opinion or just "clearing" them. If they needed to be "cleared", would that not have taken place earlier in the week? jmo

I agree. And you’ve really gotta just consent for optics, because they’re almost certainly able to get a warrant otherwise.

 

[Cipher Vale]

And you KNOW all this how?

#1 - Research cartel kidnappings and murders outside of Mexico. Look at history of such things.
#2 - Lack of a rational motive for a cartel to kidnap an 84 year old woman and then keep completely quiet about it, hide their identity, and maintain secrecy.
#3 - I don't think I need to prove commonsense with the Epstein part.

This seems like rational commonsense. But, I'm willing to (and want to) hear the logical counterpoint.

 

[maskedwoman]

The "cartel" as most people would define it, is a non-starter for me. Too high of a risk and attention for what in their world would be a relatively small amount of money.

Agreed. $6M is not worth their time to get in the car.

 

[mikeshanty]

The wording of the family and how LE is treating the investigation does make it seem like they think she's no longer alive. I wonder if they've gotten any clues in that regard, or they're just being realistic based on the situation. Not a knock, but I would expect LE to have a bit more urgency if they expected she was still alive ... the investigation drawing on for over a week with few clues makes it seem very grim.

Of course, that being said, I do hope there's a chance she's still alive Heartbreaking situation all around.

The sheriff went on the record in the first press conference that she needed vital medication or her medical situation could become fatal within 24 hours. The family then referenced the need for her to be taking medication in their Instagram video days later, implying the searches of the house revealed her medication had not been removed. JMO but she likely has passed, bless her soul.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

the whereabouts of family seems to be unknown. I don't know but "extensive question" or interview could be done where they are staying? Or do they have to come to a station? Given the media attention more interviews may be going on off site?

Very good questions. We know media is all over the homes/neighborhoods but what about LE locations to see who is coming and going there.