Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Bodhi]

THERE WAS NO BAR VISIT AND THERE WAS NO SPUTUM IN THE BLOOD.THOSE WERE SPECULATIONS BY POSTERS OR UNINFORMED AND UNCORROBORATED MUSINGS BY POSTERS. THE SHERIFF MENTIONED THE CALL FROM THE CHURCH LADY ONCE. THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DEBUNKED. IF SOMEONE CAN ABSOLITELY VERIFY A BAR VISIT, A PLACE WHERE IT WAS VERIFIED THAT THERE WAS SPUTUM IN THE BLOOD OR THAT THERE WAS NO CHURCH LADY, PLEASE POST IT HERE AS THIS IS GETTING CRAZY. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN POSTER'S OPINIONS ARE TAKEN AS FACTS. SOMEONE OPINED THAT IF SHE WAS BLEEDING FROM THE MOUTH THE BLOOD SPOTS WOULD CONTAIN SPUTUM. NOW SUDDENLY , THIS IS THE NEW BENCHMARK..
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Same with NG having an inside camera. If that was explicitly stated by law enforcement? I didn't hear that. The sheriff stated there was a notification from a camera that a person was detected. But he explained that notification means movement was detected and it could have been an animal. I haven't seen any substantiation that NG has a pet currently. Meaning, IMO, the camera that sent notification about movement was outside.

 

[LRinCA]

Moo…If the SIL was hanging out at a bar after dropping her off …I believe locals and the bar would be calling this out. Some secrets you just can’t keep. Moo

I agree.

My father was a teacher and he had to be very cautious about where he was seen. This was back in the 1950s-1980s and it was in a very conservative town, so perhaps I'm applying an old-fashioned set of rules to how things are now.

 

[wibbleflea]

What that is saying is if LE asks them to track user XYZ, they will then turn on the logging function for XYZ to capture future sessions. So useless for past sessions. Do I have that right?

Yes, that's what it's saying. (Whether there's more to it than that, I don't know.)

A slight aside, while we're discussing VPNs: something I've said to clients (I work in tech) is that if I were working at an intelligence or law-enforcement agency, I would make sure the agency was running a popular VPN as a public service, in much the same way that the CIA once secretly bought and operated Crypto AG.

Crypto AG - Wikipedia

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In 2020, an investigation carried out by The Washington Post, Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen (ZDF), and Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen(SRF) revealed that Crypto AG was, in fact, entirely controlled by the CIA and the BND. The project, initially known by codename "Thesaurus" and later as "Rubicon" operated from the end of the Second World War until 2018.

 

[HoveringWombats]

If he's asking for Bitcoin, he must know how to delink his name from it. Takes a bit of sophistication and previous use.

Sorry, I initially replied to this and I think I misread what you were saying, so I deleted that. Giving it another shot

I actually kind of think this might suggest the opposite. If you're sophisticated, there are better cryptocurrencies to use to stay truly anonymous than bitcoin. Bitcoin is still widely used by criminals, so it doesn't rule that out. But I also think that it's exactly what an unsophisticated person would reach for — it's the one they likely have heard of, and they may not actually understand how hard it will be to convert to USD or another currency without giving away their identity. There are ways that criminals do this (or, really, they just use banks in countries that won't cooperate with US LE), but it does take some work and a lot of criminals have been caught this way. MOO

 

[Starkville]

the whereabouts of family seems to be unknown. I don't know but "extensive question" or interview could be done where they are staying? Or do they have to come to a station? Given the media attention more interviews may be going on off site?

It’s an extraordinary courtesy if the family (SG included!) isn’t taken to the station to be questioned and make statements, IMO.

IMO, interviews are done “downtown” for many reasons, many of them psychological reasons. It’s easier to place someone under arrest when they’re already surrounded by police, haha. And the interviews can be observed by LE higher-ups and legal counsel, and recorded.

However, I see the advantages of a casual interview on a subject’s home turf. As long as it’s “by the book”, it’s probably the same thing, legally, IMO.

Happy to be corrected if any of this is not accurate!

 

[Cipher Vale]

Unfortunately I don't have the source, so take that with a grain of salt (it could also be totally false). I can't remember if it was here or elsewhere someone quoted someone online saying that the SIL (not the sister, for clarity) had gambling debt and that there was also debt for either the SIL or AG for something else. So, it may not even have been worth pointing out to be honest. I think something like that could be an interesting factor, if true, of course in no way indicative of guilt!

Does someone have to be in debt to motivate them to commit a violent crime for money? Could it just be envious of other's lifestyle? Anxiety over future financial resources? Or even someone hating their job and seeing no other career path?

 

[allboys]

I keep going to back to language of the video posted on SG's instagram on Saturday. She says "This is the only way we will have peace, this is very valuable to us - and we will pay." I just feel like the wording is so strange. I would think she would say "she is very valuable to us" if she were still alive. (I very much hope that she is). JMO

The more I listen to it, the more it sounds like SG believes (or knows) her mother is deceased. The big question if that’s the case, is how does she know that? So saddening to listen to her words.

 

[Nikynoo]

Just now, I took a photo of a televised CNN story on the Guthrie disappearance: This is my photo.

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Please note that there is no mention of the “11:00 am phone call from church member”

It’s in the criminal complaint authored by the FBI against the hoaxer But it’s in the criminal complaint by the hoaxer. https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/media/1426976/dl?inline

 

[Nikynoo]

I must have missed something. Is it verified that AG and SIL made up a fake church call?

No. It’s in the criminal complaint authored by the FBI against the hoaxer. But it’s in the criminal complaint by the hoaxer. https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/media/1426976/dl?inline

 

[LAborn]

I thought people were trying to figure out if contractors visiting the house might have set up the kidnapping. Doesn't matter the race of contractor. Don't see race in any scenario where a worker may be involved.

"Cartel" "yard worker", come on now. Please.

 

[HoveringWombats]

But he explained that notification means movement was detected and it could have been an animal. I haven't seen any substantiation that NG has a pet currently. Meaning, IMO, the camera that sent notification about movement was outside.

MOO, this really neither confirms nor denies that the camera was outside. I think he was just speaking loosely (as he often has) and covering his bases. I don't think we should put too much weight into this either way.

 

[Nikynoo]

I’m sure yesterday there was an update from the Sheriffs office which stated there were NO suspects and NO POIs. If this is the case, the family are victims.

ETA - yes, it’s here

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020557653588726267

 

[SMK777]

I must have missed something. Is it verified that AG and SIL made up a fake church call?

No. But why was the call removed from the official timeline? It's a legitimate question, IMO.

 

[SeattleStew]

Agreed. $6M is not worth their time to get in the car.

And where does the figure $6 million come into play? Why $6 million? Why not 5 or 7 million? Six-Million Dollar Man enters my train of thought, even though it makes no sense, just creative thinking. IMO. So someone over the age of 50?

 

[UsernameRequired]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020901445118079449

 

[turaj]

I thought people were trying to figure out if contractors visiting the house might have set up the kidnapping. Doesn't matter the race of contractor. Don't see race in any scenario where a worker may be involved.

I heard on one of the talk shows that a neighbor mentioned to LE how very white NG roof is and that it must be new work. I assume they followed up with that contractor. They spent some time on roof in the last few days and found another camera up there. Could a worker have planted that up there?

 

[Bodhi]

Is this what launched the bar thing? It's obvious conjecture. JMO

In this post, it is clearly understood as speculation. In other posts I read, which did not quote this one, the bar visit was cited as a fact.

 

[louvillian08]

Regarding the “church call”, what changed in approximately 17 hours between the filing of the complaint and the sheriffs presser? At approximately 6:02 PM on February 4th, LE had realized the ransom was a hoax by Callella. The last pressor from the Tucson sheriff was February 5th at approximately 11 AM. Lack of follow through from whoever filed the complaint? It just seems odd to me that the church call was added to the complaint but omitted from the timeline and pressor.

I said this yesterday and I don’t think many people agreed with me but I think the sheriff was only using 100% time stamped, black and white facts in the timeline and that’s the reason the call was omitted. There’s already so much back and forth and confusion already because he previously said the family got to her house “around 11” but then revealed it was actually 11:56am.

The call to the family is absolutely meaningful. But it doesn’t actually confirm anything with the timeframe of when she went missing. The timing of the call also doesn’t mean that’s when someone noticed her absence. It means that’s when someone became so alarmed, they contacted her family. If you include the time of the call in your official timeline, people are going to ask what time the church service was, what time the friend texted or called NG, etc.

Like another user stated, the church phone call has never been debunked. The sheriff himself said it and now it’s referenced in an FBI document.

 

[tlcya]

This is important because this contradicts the ‘official timeline’. The FBI must release an updated ‘official timeline’. Unbelievably we have a representative from the FBI giving swore testimony in an Arizona Federal Court that destroy’s the ‘official timeline’.

This stretches the credibility of this investigation. It does not instill confidence in the veracity of the information released by the FBI. I would categorize it as sloppy.

The FBI needs to clarify this but I won’t hold my breath.

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could you elaborate on how this federal complaint destroys the official timeline? The official timeline contains exact, to the minute, times of key events. While that timeline doesn't mention the call or communication from church friend, this complaint, which only contains broad approximation of times, supports that a communication from such an individual did indeed occur.

How does complaint destroy timeline? In my mind both timeline and complaint can be true?

 

[AZLocal]

June 20, 2025. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Tucson Sector and Mexican authorities located and raided a cartel safe-house which stored military-grade machine-guns, ammunition, heavy ordinance, stolen vehicles, and drugs.

Are you aware that the Tucson BP Sector covers 262 miles of border between Yuma County to the Arizona/New Mexico state line?

Are you somehow implying that this unsourced statement indicates that Tucson is controlled by cartels? If that is the case, why do you think the cartel allowed this to happen