AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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What arrest? 😳
Detained sorry. I'll edit my post.
 
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We don't know where LE are getting the 11:56 a.m. time either - at this point.
It's pretty easy for them to know what time the 911 call happened. They had that accurately from the start. It was the other time that was reported incorrectly---the time they arrived at Nancy's house.

And that made them look sketchy. And it seemed sketchy it took so long to call 911 but that was inaccurate info. And seemed sketchy that first it was reported that NG's daughter gave her a ride home but was later changed to say her SIL was the last to see her---again, it looked sketchy. But now it's back to daughter driving her home?
 
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Some info on guy who was detained and released. This article has interview with mother in law guy who was detained "Carlos"- said his white van is broken (as of a couple days ago) couldn't be him and he is living with her due to being evicted. So this makes me think they are focusing on the previously mentioned white van.

 
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Those cameras have little IR flashlights, thats why the it reflects like a light on the reflective parts of the back pack. He does not have a flashlight in his mouth, you'd see it more. He has a gold or diamond insert on his tooth. Something that would reflect the IR light back just like the backpack did.
If you watch the video of him approaching the steps he uses a flashlight in his mouth to see the steps
 
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We don't know where LE are getting the 11:56 a.m. time either - at this point.
Everything else in the timeline released comes from electronic data--phone logs, garage door opening, car data. LE has determined what time the family member arrived and when the call to 911 was made.
 
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It's pretty easy for them to know what time the 911 call happened. They had that accurately from the start. It was the other time that was reported incorrectly---the time they arrived at Nancy's house.

And that made them look sketchy.

Agreed but the 911 call happened 7 minutes later. I am just wondering what source they have for the time of 11:56 a.m. to say that that is indeed when the family began to look for Nancy.
Was that cell phone data, a call from the church friend etc.?
 
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NG had birthday days prior to 1/31/26. So are you saying something like this is appropriate, "Hi Mom, we want to honor your birthday but we can't drive 10 mins to pick you up. Call Uber and get your own ride to our house 4 miles away. But don't worry, we will give you 2 mins to get from car to inside your garage around 9:48pm. Happy Birthday Mom." Despicable behavior imo if NG had to get her own transportation to a family neighborhood like dinner.
I don't think this is the case. It's important to remember that NG has capacity and agency to make her own decisions. This doesn't equate to the family being cruel or disrespectful just because NG got an Uber. Jmo.
 
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Seems odd that we have never heard what time TC returned home after dropping NG off on the night of the abduction.
 
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So many apps these days that are linked to your apple watch. It can tell when your sleeping. Heart rate monitor, sleep monitoring, and step counter are a couple things. I'm sure LE has looked at all that.
 
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Everything else in the timeline released comes from electronic data--phone logs, garage door opening, car data. LE has determined what time the family member arrived and when the call to 911 was made.

I am just curious to know where that data point "specifically" comes from i.e. the contact from the church friend or a specific family member's cell data etc.
 
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Seems odd that we have never heard what time TC returned home after dropping NG off on the night of the abduction.
Thats because they have no corroborated information about that
 
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Are you suggesting a random person attended Nancy's home within an hour of her going missing, and fumbled around at her front door with a ski mask, gloves, backpack and gun, and had nothing to do with her disappearance?

What, prey tell, do you think he was doing there if not abducting Nancy?
Yes, I’m suggesting that she was murdered and didn’t make it home at all, and this is a coverup. Read: staged.

You have no proof at all there is any footage of this person on the camera carrying her out of the house.

You act like you’re part of the FBI but I doubt you can provide evidence of this…

My question was very simple, but... okay.

How do you suppose that Nancy's blood appeared on her doorstep after all this? Because you can see it's not there when the footage was taken at 1:47am.
 
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Why do you think it's the family?
No corroboration that she ever made it home from AG and SIL home that night. Her digital devices did but that's not proof enough. So you always concentrate on the last people with a victim.
 
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I wonder when that card was left in the timeline, must be after Nancy went missing as she would have seen it otherwise?
I'm sure the APS office will be flooded with calls looking for this worker whose last name is not even listed on the card. Is that the standard format?
The bizarre part of his story to me is that he says the police were following the car that his wife was driving. His wife pulled over the car and he got out of the passenger side before the police ever turned on their lights? Who does that?
Likely to protect his family - 20 law enforcement cars following him (sarcasm) - he gets out in case they start getting wild. MOO
I find it quite fascinating to watch this character at Nancy's door trying to work out how to obscure a camera AFTER it's already captured their image. I guess now it's clear why the initial kidnapping took so long, it's because they're a bumbling idiot. How they managed avoid capture thus far is a mystery.
Not sure he's an idiot as he still has not been identified after all this time. MOO
Has it been verified that it was a 9 a.m. service because from my understanding there was two different services with two different times (which both included online viewing) like many churches have?
This likely was Nancy's regular Sunday morning routine and has likely has been verified by police. MOO
 
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No corroboration that she ever made it home from AG and SIL home that night. Her digital devices did but that's not proof enough. So you always concentrate on the last people with a victim.
The blood is a big sign she made it home.
 
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Here's a link to the Media and Timelines for those who might need to review this information.

And here's a timeline as well.
No. 7 minutes from when the family member arrived at Nancy's house, they called 911.
Here's the timeline established by the Pima County Sheriff and FBI.
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I'm sure the APS office will be flooded with calls looking for this worker whose last name is not even listed on the card. Is that the standard format?
I can't speak for in the US, but here in Australia there are concerns for privacy of workers in this field so I would assume that is why the last name is omitted.

I can remember a child support worker getting attacked here once - the person waited outside the government building for them and identified them by their name tag. It was many years ago now.
 

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