AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Is it possible the suspects used a private helicopter to move Nancy?
Aside from anything else, a helicopter would be LOUD. No way one would get in and out of a neighbourhood unnoticed
 
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ONE live streamer is out in desert looking for FBI...this is getting crazy.
 
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I still don't think that blood is related to the crime. Meaning, she could have lost a few drops of blood at any time, with her elderly skin being so thin and all. It's entirely possible the police only mentioned the blood because the journalist, BE, went up to the front door, saw the blood, and reported on it. That should have never happened. LE should have never let anyone near that house. Because we know the blood is NG's, and if LE thinks it was deposited there during the crime, then BE basically tampered (unknowingly) with the crime scene.

IMO
That's a fair amount of blood drops to just leave at your front door. Even if you got a sudden nose bleed and left it for later, I think most people would have hosed it off or mopped it up as soon as they could.
 
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His bulky gloves look like they go up further than his wrists
I think bad information was reported by this CNN guest regarding a tattoo. I’m trying to see if a mod can delete that part of my post. If not, I will delete the whole thing since I’m no longer able to edit.
 
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Easy for one person to move a person unconscious/no longer alive. I don't even want to follow that train of thought.
IMO, it absolutely is not.
 
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Aside from anything else, a helicopter would be LOUD. No way one would get in and out of a neighbourhood unnoticed
In that case - a boat? Are there any canals or rivers in the area?
 
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Has something been stated that the internet was disabled?
I can't find it anywhere now but last Thursday evening I was watching the CourtTV livestream and their reporter mentioned that an adjacent neighbor also had her cameras disconnect that night. I've looked on the CourtTV website and YouTube channel and they don't have their livestream up from that evening... maybe LE asked them not to put that out there. But I definitely heard the reporter clearly.
 
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Quick thought...NG would need to eat. Does anyone know if she has any food restrictions due to medical condition/medications/allergies? If so, the perp/perps could raise an alarm with a checkout clerk and notice their usual food items have changed.
 
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There was discussion of bears and coyotes yesterday. Could the perps have left the house unlocked and these animals have gone in, and… eaten Nancy’s body? That might explain the blood by the door.
Nooooo, LOL
 
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“Recovery” is ominous. Maybe I’m reading too much into it.
I think they think she is deceased. While I'm sure they would love to be proved wrong, maybe they were afraid that "rescue" would encourage false hope in her family.

JMO
 
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She most likely had a wheelchair for other people to transport her to doctor's appointments or to take her shopping.
There is nothing that points to this. There is no actual cre
My great grandmother weighed about 150lbs. She was partially mobile and it took a man and a woman to get her up and around. Old people weight seems very heavy for some reason because they aren't helping out with their muscles. More like dead weight, if that makes sense. I could see it being even harder to do if she fell, was bleeding, etc.there a

I think they should just pay out the 1 bitcoin claim and see if it leads anywhere. Time is of essence and unless they have a very strong lead they are pursuing, they are giving up the chance for NG’s safe recovery.
The problem with doing that is that could easily lead to false claims asking for more of the same. Because unfortunately, HL would absolutely report on this.
 
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Went to bed when the guy was detained. Woke up incredibly embarrassed for the police that they made such a show of this detention.

IMO the police or FBI did nothing to make a “show of this detention.”

They have to follow every tip, because obviously it could be the right tip.

It’s the media who made such a show. To interview a baffled mother-in-law, to allow Carlos’ full name to be broadcast when this MIL uttered his name, that is in my opinion all on the media.

I love Brian Entin, but IMO this was a misfire in the haste to get info. We never heard Carlos’ name or situation from LE.

JMO

Also there is an elderly woman's life at stake. ETA The media should show good judgment.
Agree.
 
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Is it possible the suspects used a private helicopter to move Nancy?
That would have made a huge amount of noise that would have been reported, I would think.
 
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Not to argue...but I thought it was 50 feet? (The distance NG could walk.)
 
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Has there been a clear match for the backpack? It appears to me to be reasonably new. Haven't heard much about it though.
Closest idea from yesterday was an Outdoor Products brand bag, 20l-30l-ish volume. Pretty bang on as per pictures of these on Walmart pages.

I agree on it being newer. Nylon reflects pretty well, especially if it hasn't been used and the surface 'softened.'

One thing I clocked which I haven't seen mentioned: Suspect also has something bulky in his right jacket pocket - looks like a large rectangular object that can't fit all the way in and is partly sticking out at the bottom - you could see this when he turned around to grab the flowers.
 
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That's a fair amount of blood drops to just leave at your front door. Even if you got a sudden nose bleed and left it for later, I think most people would have hosed it off or mopped it up as soon as they could.
Or, as happens to my elderly mom, NG could have nicked her arm and few drops trickled down before she even noticed it. Especially if she doesn't regularly use the front door as her main entrance. She could have been out there trimming bushes, got her arm snagged by a thorny branch, and didn't notice it immediately. Maybe she only noticed it when she went back into the garage, for example, not realizing she had left a few drops on the front porch. This is my THEORY as to why the blood is there and why it isn't a part of the crime scene. Wouldn't LE have cordoned off the porch if it was related? Have you ever, say, nicked a knuckle that started bleeding but didn't realize it until way after the fact?

IMO
 
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Just my opinion, but this feels more like... leave no stone unturned than following up on leads.
Some mistakes appear to have been made early in this case (abandoning the scene early, miscommunications from early press conferences, for examples) and a retired officer with 20 years experience there (7 in homicide) indicated there has been a lot of turnover and many current officers only have two to three years experience, so are fairly green. ETA: this was in a Brian Entin interview featured on one of Tricia’s live YouTube shows.

And the crime(s) remain unsolved.

So, it is likely that those leading the investigation have decided it is wise to go back to the beginning, take a fresh look, and redo steps, perhaps with new and more experienced and detail-oriented sets of eyes. Something may have been missed that will now be caught. Seems like a good idea.
 

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