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I suspect most who point fingers at SIL are suggesting that he came first (to drop off Nancy) and probably had no reason to use the front door. (For example, the back door was found open.)

Then must have left NG incapacitated (on her bed perhaps) before driving back to his house where they had their game night.

Then quite some time passed until the second perp (hired by SIL) arrived to remove poor incapacitated NG from her home. JMO

SIL's & Annie's property was searched on Feb. 7.
I get that those are the type of theories. IMO absent additional information, the reasoning and motives being speculated about are the less logical, likely conclusion, given what we now know. JMO
 
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I am still thinking about NG being confronted by that masked figure in her bed having been woken up, it is horrifying to think of what she must have gone through, and the terror it must have instilled in her children when they showed them the video to see if they recognized the masked man, it certainly sent shivers up my spine and made me check my doors were locked securely at night
 
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When LE went to NG's house when she was reported missing, LE immediately knew it was a crime scene and closed off the property for an investigation of a crime. MOO
I didn't see that happen. Maybe the inside only? IDK
 
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He does kind of look like the guy bending over from the back to the guy at NG house video
Interesting clue, local. 6 miles away is pretty far. The 2 backpack man was in s Tucson, 5+ miles away. I would like to see a Tucson map of all these incidents from Jan. I got the impression that Tucson has a lot of crime, mainly on the s side.

JMO
 
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This guy is so gross - imo. This family is going through so much right now and the topper is AG/SIL reputation is being horribly damaged and the longer it goes on the more long term impact it could have. To me with what has come out the data points away from them and I think if they can't find NG they need to minimally do something to ensure that clarity is public so their lives aren't further ruined. JMO

Agreed, incredibly irresponsible.
 
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Looking at how some of this investigation has been conducted ,I would say that from day I the Sheriff was wilfully neglectful in how he failed to collect evidence and seal and guard Nancy's house.
This photo says everything. The door mat has not even been removed for testing .


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It also took them a long time to remove the Nest plate for testing. I understand they might not have been aware of what the camera captured, but it doesn’t take a genius to conclude that whoever perpetrated the crime also removed the camera. Footage wasn’t needed for that deduction, and still isn’t.

It’s almost like this was crime scene processing from decades ago. On second thought, that’s an insult to previous generations of investigators.

Some decades-old cases have been solved with FGG because very forward-thinking investigators immediately bagged items that A) had no obvious connection, and B) couldn’t even be tested with then-current tech. But lo and behold, many years later, their proactive police work caught the killer.

Not seeing that winning attention to detail here, and “golden hour” is long past.
 
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Personally I don’t believe AG and TC are involved at this point. It just seems highly unlikely with the evidence we’ve seen.

With that said I do 100 percent believe that investigators believe one or both of them might be involved.
And I think given that they appear to be confused and lost they are reverting back to the defaults of immediate family and last seen with b/c typically people aren't kidnapped from their home, they are harmed by someone known to them or last seen with and evidence is found or a confession or accusation is made to substantiate that, combined with no other exculpatory evidence. In this situation there IS additional information that could point away from them but I don't think they know what to do with it so they just revert back to what they usually find to be true. JMO. I also think the continuous increase of reward $ could show that they really are more at a loss then they are on to something solid..IMO
 
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Why? If this is a well regarded lab?
Nanos got started 2 days before the FBI, which is not long at all. But instead of “ working together”, there’s still an ego struggle almost 2 weeks later.

JMO
 
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Is that a bandage on her arm? I wonder if her skin is similar to my 82-year-old dad's skin. He gets scratches and terrible bruises just by lightly bumping into something. Sometimes the "bumping" is so minor that he doesn't even remember what caused the injury, even though he's sharp as a tack. :(

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Yes, I've seen several other photos of Nancy's arm black/blue with a bandage on it. She did have a pacemaker (heart issues) so she could have been on blood thinners which causes bruising/bleeding easily.

MOO
 
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She is using her skills from her job. She is looking at the features in his face under his mask to say what he looks like. I expect someone will recognize him and he will be arrested. Thats my opinion based on my lifetime of being in a family of police officers. MOO.
 
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When LE went to NG's house when she was reported missing, LE immediately knew it was a crime scene and closed off the property for an investigation of a crime. MOO
He called in homicide detectives as well. There’s obviously something in/around the house that the public doesn’t know that made the sheriff do that. I vaguely remember him saying in the first major press conference that those details weren’t going to be discussed out of respect for the family.
 
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did they ever take the blue shirt that was wadded up on the rocks...he could have taken if off when he took the backpack off. Did they ever really take the mat at the door?
 
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Perhaps she is all those things. However, LE did not officially release a sketch of the suspect. They have information about the suspect that this artist does not have. Her sketch will no doubt gain traction and very possibly in the wrong direction. Needed tips might not come in because the suspect could not look like this at all. She got ahead of her skis. IMO
"Out ahead of skis" like a lot of true crime podcasters, reporters, and and youtube sleuths on this case

Jmo
 
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It also took them a long time to remove the Nest plate for testing. I understand they might not have been aware of what the camera captured, but it doesn’t take a genius to conclude that whoever perpetrated the crime also removed the camera. Footage wasn’t needed for that deduction, and still isn’t.

It’s almost like this was crime scene processing from decades ago. On second thought, that’s an insult to previous generations of investigators.

Some decades-old cases have been solved with FGG because very forward-thinking investigators immediately bagged items that A) had no obvious connection, and B) couldn’t even be tested with them-current tech. But lo and behold, many years later, their proactive police work caught the killer.

Not seeing that winning attention to detail here, and “golden hour” is long past.
I think anyone of us on Websleuths would have done a better job collecting evidence and securing the scene.
 
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I have rationalized the SIL (maybe AG) being involved vs. not. The night before NG is abducted, she has an idyllic night of games and dinner at AG/SIL home. They are presumably the last to see her alive. Still unclear who brought her home. The garage up/down for such a short period of time still bothers me.

We know they are going to be questioned no matter what. It's possible LE believes the suspect has a connection to their neighborhood. Maybe he saw NG often at their home and that unfortunately grabbed his interest. And this is the reason they are searching around AB’s home. The connection is proximity only.

However, I cannot show any serious interest in following this case and not consider SIL (maybe AG) of potentially being involved in some way. I do not think the suspect in the FBI released video is the SIL but that does not mean there is no connection to NG being abducted and IMO murdered.

LE has repeatedly gone back to their home. I have lost count how many times. LE is also going inside the home. That tells me LE has some evidence that is bringing them there…. over and over. IMO
 
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Nanos got started 2 days before the FBI, which is not long at all. But instead of “ working together”, there’s still an ego struggle almost 2 weeks later.

JMO
Right but why can't they use the results received from the lab and if they feel a retest is necessary, still go on the info gathered and use the retest as confirmation. Why would the FBI reject the results from a reputable lab in favor of delaying and waiting on a retest? I think it looks like there is blame with both Local LE and the FBI. JMO I am not impressed with either as it stands right now.
 
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Seems to me - and I know nothing- that the camera porch guy may not have been trying to get in the house. Perhaps two bad guys are involved. Both, perhaps, went in back and did whatever they did in the house. In my scenario, porch guy came out to front to meet bad guy 2 and help remove Nancy from the house. Forgot the camera was there and then had to deal with it. Backpack could be full of “stuff” from inside - not full of burglary/kidnap tools. Thoughts?
 
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Interesting clue, local. 6 miles away is pretty far. The 2 backpack man was in s Tucson, 5+ miles away. I would like to see a Tucson map of all these incidents from Jan. I got the impression that Tucson has a lot of crime, mainly on the s side.

JMO
Ya, could certainly be him BUT this sort of thing with the doorbell ring cam happens often. It really isn't unsual anywhere.
 

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