AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[LRinCA]

Looking at how some of this investigation has been conducted ,I would say that from day I the Sheriff was wilfully neglectful in how he failed to collect evidence and seal and guard Nancy's house.
This photo says everything. The door mat has not even been removed for testing .


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I wonder if that rug was pulled for evidence (fibers, etc.) or if it just sat there for days.

 

[RatFace]

Cutting the wifi would disconnect the camera too, for another possibility.

JMO

I keep wondering what happened to the doorbell. Did he throw it in the bushes or take it with him? He got it out of range of the wifi apparently (or cut the wifi, as mentioned).

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Tucson is a very special city. We’ve stayed many times at a small, old resort in NG’s part of town, which is in the mountains overlooking the city. It is a beautiful area. People are friendly. There is a common love of land and sky. People work together to live responsibly in the desert. It is a spot of blue in red Arizona. These are simplifications but just had to put my 2 cents in. If you don’t know Tucson or the desert you may not be able to understand the love and beauty there.

 

[ab01]

She is using her skills from her job. She is looking at the features in his face under his mask to say what he looks like. I expect someone will recognize him and he will be arrested. Thats my opinion based on my lifetime of being in a family of police officers. MOO.

"I guessed at the parts of face covered with ski mask on this Nancy Guthrie kidnapping suspect," she said in her Facebook post. "I used the surveillance photos shown. I spent 43 years at job trying to help detectives with similar photos."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/trending/article/nancy-guthrie-lois-gibson-sketch-21349269.php

 

[milkshakedonkey]

Seems to me - and I know nothing- that the camera porch guy may not have been trying to get in the house. Perhaps two bad guys are involved. Both, perhaps, went in back and did whatever they did in the house. In my scenario, porch guy came out to front to meet bad guy 2 and help remove Nancy from the house. Forgot the camera was there and then had to deal with it. Backpack could be full of “stuff” from inside - not full of burglary/kidnap tools. Thoughts?

Possible but why would they need to go around the front rather than just opening the door from inside? Not saying it’s a dealbreaker but odd.

 

[SaraSmile]

I'm pretty sure it's border patrol because they had the same flight path last night. (Don't know what they will find at the top of a mountain, but who knows? Maybe there are secret hideaways??? )

US Army helicopters are very obviously doing border surveillance in Texas. Their flightpaths are competely parallel to the border.

Plus, daytime would be more effective, if looking for someone, something.

JMO

 

[SMK777]

I wonder if that rug was pulled for evidence (fibers, etc.) or if it just sat there for days.

It's a shame that this even has to be questioned, as it was from the beginning a high profile homicide investigation.

 

[Skigh]

I wonder if that rug was pulled for evidence (fibers, etc.) or if it just sat there for days.

They surely would not have gone back and replaced it after testing ,so it must be concluded it just sat there whilst numerous people were able to tread all over it .

 

[joe jones]

Right but why can't they use the results received from the lab and if they feel a retest is necessary, still go on the info gathered and use the retest as confirmation. Why would the FBI reject the results from a reputable lab in favor of delaying and waiting on a retest? I think it looks like there is blame with both Local LE and the FBI. JMO I am not impressed with either as it stands right now.

if all the biological material is used up by the private lab then there is nothing left to retest, if they had given it to the FBI they knowing all the case details may have used different techniques to try to save some of the material or even held off testing until they were sure that they could try to save some of the material, I think the FBI testing also looks better at trial, chain of custody and protocols etc

 

[CuriousCricket]

I can't remember what user was familiar with military flight operations/training, but on Monday I believe, when we were tracking the medical helicopter (which turned out to be unrelated..) that user were giving info on what certain planes might be doing in the areas around Tucson: Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map | Flightradar24

I'm asking because right now there is a US Army helicopter (GOON93) circling the mountains north of the Catalina Foothills and it was previously circling on some mountains further north of there (it took off from Pinal Airpark, which is public use, not military). It doesn't look like there's much up there other than a small ski resort and they weren't circling that but hiking trails and some canyons (and the furthest right circling is around some old mines up in the mountains).

Could be for a missing hiker or training or anything else, but thought it was interesting that it was military. There's another Army heli that also took off from Pinal but went west and then circled back close to this heli, circling over Tiger AZ, which is another abandoned mine with no roads in.

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Last night, 2/12

Dang ok there are now FOUR separate US Army helicopters on the tracker, all took off from Pinal Airpark recently, going in different directions out from Pinal and CIRCLING over mountainous clusters/canyons/bodies of water (the topography of AZ is so crazy to me as an East coaster) and former mines, it appears.

I'm trying to not get too excited about this as it COULD be unrelated but seems very coincidental in terms of what LE should be doing to search. Interesting though it is past dark in Arizona right now, I believe.

EDIT: I lost the fourth, I wonder if it's just out of range/service or it landed.

Prob. not related as mentioned above, but what if . . .
Were they checking for lights that should not be there?

Anyone on here familiar with those mountains? Are there large estates or properties that are either: open in the summer but closed in winter OR have absentee owners? Properties set far back from a road, so no one, particularly an elderly woman with mobility issues, could hike out in winter? Any known locations?

I've long thought NG does not need to be restrained because of her lack of mobility, meaning that her captivity could possibly be more comfortable than that of most people abducted.

She could be placed in a remote location with lots of food, water, and reliable heating, then allowed loose in her "prison."

I had been thinking desert location, but mountain tops in February ahead of a major winter storm make more sense.

The kidnappers would have installed cameras and could communicate with her.

I would think the windows would have been blacked out so no light could be seen at night, but who knows?

Then, she could have been instructed to don a blindfold, be led from the structure to a snowmobile or other transportation and taken to a drop location. Then, when the kidnappers were well away, a msg is sent to TMZ of her location.

Just pondering . . .

 

[tkcrockett]

Possible but why would they need to go around the front rather than just opening the door from inside? Not saying it’s a dealbreaker but odd.

I agree with you and I don’t know that answer. Closer to the car? More level landscape?

 

[SaraSmile]

It's a shame that this even has to be questioned, as it was from the beginning a high profile homicide investigation.

DBM

 

[Wsimm]

What doesn't add up is that family members went to the house to check on Nancy, if it was immediately obvious that Nancy was in danger because of the state of the house, then they wouldn't wait an hour to call 'law enforcement', they would call immediately. It sounds like it wasn't obvious, if it was obvious, then why did they wait? It doesn't take an hour to search a house if done 'methodically'.

I believe they called 911 in approx 7 minutes.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

I keep wondering what happened to the doorbell. Did he throw it in the bushes or take it with him? He got it out of range of the wifi apparently (or cut the wifi, as mentioned).

I suspect it's more likely he pulled the battery out of it.

 

[ab01]

They surely would not have gone back and replaced it after testing ,so it must be concluded it just sat there whilst numerous people were able to tread all over it .

Can you imagine if the perp spit on it like some men tend to do as a habit. And it just laid out there in the open all this time.

 

[UltraViolet4545]

Now that LE has recovered footage from NG nest cam, they are asking neighbors to look through their security cameras from several weeks back. Maybe because LE has more video they haven’t released of mask guy from a previous visit.

Why would mask guy show up to NG house more than once? Well maybe the last time(s) didn’t work out for what they intended.

The gun really stands out to me. It looks ridiculous. It’s right there in front like they want to terrify NG and make sure she sees it.

It sounds like home invasion robberies are basically nonexistent in NG neighborhood.

So why would someone show up more than once, with an obvious weapon, and not intending to rob NG? Well maybe they only meant to frighten her. Maybe this whole thing started out to cause anxiety and fear but NG fell, or had a cardiac event and passed. Mask guy panics. No harm was supposed to come to NG! He hauls her body out of there and dumps it.

Ok, so who might want to frighten NG like this? To what end? Maybe to scare her out of living alone in that big house. Maybe she was needing a lot of help and local family was tired of it, maybe they wanted her to sell the house because they need money.

LE keeps circling back to a certain family members home which, to me, says they are suspicious of something. Maybe neither one is mask guy, but they paid a 3rd person. LE is trying to figure out who that 3rd person is because that’s the weakest link to this whole situation.

Those 2 won’t talk, and putting pressure will only make them lawyer up. The digital trail doesn’t have any slam dunks. NG could be anywhere. Therefore, they really need to figure out who that 3rd party is.

This is a little disjointed but I’m talking through my thoughts. All MOO.

 

[Kazrael]

New ideas:

1) Perp used the side of his fist to block camera because he was about to knock on the door when he noticed the camera, so he shifted his fist to quickly block it while he gathered his thoughts (something about the camera surprised him).

2) Perp didn't care that HE was on camera, but still needed it blocked/disabled. Why? To hide video of him leaving. Or video of someone else arriving.

Why hide video of him leaving? Because maybe he was leaving with a dead body that would undermine the kidnapping farce? Or there was some other aspect of the departure that he didn't want on camera?

So maybe he tried to cover it up with a plant, and when that failed, pulled the entire camera off.

Edit. Or he wanted it covered so that when he knocked, NG wouldn't see anything if she checked the camera.

This is what has been on my mind when seeing the video. It was odd, to me, the way he covered the camera lens. You would think you would just use your palm or fingers. However, if he was in mid knock then the strange way he blocked does make sense. If you watch the video it really does seem he was going for the door, looking to the left of it first (looking through the sidelight?). He then raises his hand as if to knock (actually pound) on the door then seems to notice the camera. He actually steps to his right. After covering the camera you can see his left hand do something. At first his left hand is wide as if to grab the doorbell then changes his mind and it really looks like he presses the doorbell. That doesn't make sense. Its between eight and ten seconds of the video released. His left hand presses on something below the lens. The doorknob is clearly seen and not what he is touching.

For some reason after manipulating the doorbell he decides to turn around and find the plant etc.. Unfortunately we don't have video if the camera comes off while the he is holding the plant over it or something else happens. Not having sound also leaves a gap in possibly knowing what is going on. Of course the intention of the released portion of the video was possible recognition of the person and not what he is doing.

 

[Tutter]

I don’t know where you live, but here in Los Angeles, this is incredibly common. Any warm climate tends to have a large population of unhoused people. Many of those people have severe drug addiction issues or mental illness, and they wander around at night. I have had two separate instances at my house, which is in a nice and safe part of Los Angeles. I had a woman come to my front door at 2:30 AM. And I had a man wandering around my backyard in the dark at 9 PM one night. Both on camera. There was no attempt whatsoever to enter my house either time.

They are mostly harmless. Unfortunately, it’s just part of living in a warm climate with a population of people who refuse housing at every opportunity.

I’ve lived in many places, mostly east coast. Now I’m in a pretty small town where you can leave your doors unlocked. I do not. I don’t want any person I don’t authorize in my yard or on my porch, especially in the middle of the night. Harmless or not.
I used to walk past a yard (on the sidewalk) that had a camera that loudly announced ‘hi, you are on camera’. I found in it annoying, but I am seeing the value of that now.

 

[joe jones]

I wonder if that rug was pulled for evidence (fibers, etc.) or if it just sat there for days.

sat there for days with the foliage on it whilst media went up her path and photographed it along with the blood

 

[SaraSmile]

Possible but why would they need to go around the front rather than just opening the door from inside? Not saying it’s a dealbreaker but odd.

It looks like they forgot about camera, but it could have been their “job” to dismantle. thus extreme disguise,
So the person, people inside( entered back door), could bring NG out undetected ( sorry).
Just another thought.

JMO