GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #5

[spoiledmom]

I agree with you Muckrucker. Every clue is pointing that way. This makes Nick look more guilty. The only other scenario that I could think of is if Nick wasn't alone and had a little help from someone else if this was premeditated. It's always possible. It just seems like a lot of work for one person to do if he indeed came back to the bar in 10 minutes. I could definitely see it happening if he had a little help and this was planned.

 

[Muckrucker]

If I was Nick I would not do this while she is singing Karaoke, I would be worried that the friend would text back, tipping off that I had sent the text. I think she might have sent the first text .... but why would she? that is the question I have, why would she be reporting to her friend in Fla. unless it was something they discussed earlier....makes no sense...IMHO

Try this on:

"Remember that guy we met a few weeks ago playing pool? He's going to give me a ride home."

Pretty innocuous and plausible.

I'm not convinced Kelli sent the first text, but I can imagine a simple, normal conversation like that if she did. Just normal friend chitter chatter updates.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

post #184 article... if anyone missed it check it out! I am still gobsmacked at who received those texts!

gobsmacked that Justin, Kelli's friend in Florida, received the home safely message? If they had texted back and forth that evening that wouldn't be too unusual, would it? (which seems kind of weird because he said he's married too, yet he visited Kelli a few weeks ago in NC when he and Kelli met NH in Froggy's- no mention that his wife was there). Justin appeared on a news show to explain Kelli's phone going straight to vm and then later, another day, it rang. The family doesn't seem to think his and Kelli's relationship is unusual I guess.

 

[parker38]

I was just curious what people thought of 'everything was left as if she'd be
back' or anyone for that matter? As I'm typing I thought of a light.
I might have answered my own question lol But there has to be other
things her brother or LE meant.

I'm not usually on the fence in most cases but I really don't know where
to be or what to think on this one.
Today I saw the shot of him in the orange jacket and he sounded believable
to me. I'm confused from one day to another. JMO

 

[Muckrucker]

IF the brother revealed the text comments and recipient, then I believe it.

Ditto. I doubt LE would feed this family false information. And I further doubt he would pass along information that he was unsure of in MSM interviews. His goal is to find his sister. I'm going to take anything Matt Henson says as informed and reliable.

 

[spoiledmom]

Has there been any indication that Nick slipped a roofie in Kelli's drink? Was she suddenly acting tired? If this is the case, he could get her out of the bar and she would pass out, he puts her in a trunk or a back seat with a blanket thrown over and she is out for the count for a bit. At least long enough for Nick to go back in the bar and know Kelli wasn't waking up right away.

It is definitely possible if maybe he gave it to her at the end of the night and as soon as he saw signs of it kicking in, maybe he took her out of the bar before anyone could notice. This could definitely be a possibility if she was up singing and playing around leaving her drink for someone to drug. VOH said she only seemed buzzed but he could have waited until the end of the night to drug her and then left with her before anyone could notice..

 

[Muckrucker]

Okay, I am going to show my age here, I don't text...so can people who text answer me a few questions...

When you text to someone, can you then erase the text after sending it, so that if the person your texting replies, you don't see the original text you sent? I can see this is not what a normal person would send, the verbage is all wrong. But I still think Nick would know there would be a risk that in the return of the text from her friend, that he would be found out for having used her phone hence tipping Kelli off as to something being amiss, which could make her choose to take a different ride home, hence foiling his plans for not only that night, but for any future nights.

Edited to add, could he have made the text then removed her battery? This would make it so she could not get any new texts from her friend, yet no risk of the friend texting her back. Who would check to see if the battery is still in the phone, if the phone would not turn on, you would just assume it needed charged....hmmmm

I know if I saw that someone had touched my phone it would freak me out, and I would make an assumption making me choose a different ride home, a taxi or the like.

Could he have made that text and then shut her phone off. I think about this too, but if she is the type who is on her phone constantly you would think she would notice. IMHO

1. yes - you can erase any sent or received text after the fact.
2. She most likely would have known the charge level of her phone. Avid texters pay attention to details like that.

I suspect that he sent the text after he'd done something with Kelli. The context of 'arrived home safely' seems like something a perp would send after an altercation - not before as some sort of pre-planning. What if plans went astray? Seems to be part of a clean-up effort to me. Send text, remove battery.

Good time for a PSA on smartphone technology & safety: if you can afford it, this is one more reason to get an iPhone. You can't remove the batteries in an iPhone. There is no panel access on the phone and no removable parts. You can't swap out simm cards, etc. iPhones are ideal for safety, and really bad for criminals.

As well, it has a native feature called 'Find my phone' - if your phone is lost or stolen, you can locate it using this feature. Works, too. When my kiddo's phone got stolen on a vacation, we located it from here across the country.

(Bless Steve Jobs for creating not only a finely crafted piece of technology, but one that is also safer for consumers!)

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I was just curious what people thought of 'everything was left as if she'd be
back' or anyone for that matter? As I'm typing I thought of a light.
I might have answered my own question lol But there has to be other
things her brother or LE meant.

I'm not usually on the fence in most cases but I really don't know where
to be or what to think on this one.
Today I saw the shot of him in the orange jacket and he sounded believable
to me. I'm confused from one day to another. JMO

I don't know what that means either because everytime I leave my house, it looks like I'll be back. :waitasec: If you're going out for the evening, you might leave your makeup and hair stuff out on the bathroom counter - messy like - if you're in a hurry. I don't get that remark either. It would be more helpful to know if the clothes she had been wearing were found in a pile or in a hamper or not found anywhere in the apartment. Someone (who?) said Kelli had been wearing a pink top with spaghetti straps. For all we know, that could be false too!

 

[writer7]

I have a theory that could explain some things, and police, etc. will already know if it's true or not. From what I'm gathering from article phrasings and such, I think Justin might still have been in town visiting. If Kelli's car wasn't at her apartment, I think Nick picked her up from Justin's hotel room (her just visiting her pal after work).

If true and only theoretically, then Kelli would be texting Justin that night and comfirming how she was going to get home, because they have been hanging out for a couple of weeks.

I'm sure my mind is just playing writer with this last part, but I'll toss it in in case it could possibly help anything: what if Nick knew Justin was in town with no alibi that night? What if they all chatted while he was picking up Kelli -- if it was from the theoretical hotel room? Hubbie out of town, male friend in town and not busy that night... was something like this why Nick seems smug in his videos? That's a lot of suspects, possibly.

Or she could've just had her car at a girlfriend's house and that solves that, lol But the phrasing about Justin and Nick meeting Justin sounds a little odd if they just met the one time:

...Visit from friend

Henson said his sister, Holbert and the family friend, identified only as Justin, met for the first time a week or two before her disappearance.

Henson said Justin was in Fayetteville to visit Bordeaux. The two had been friends since Bordeaux and her family moved about 20 miles from Orlando, Fla., to the small town of St. Cloud in 1996 to escape escalating crime problems...

...Henson said Holbert has acknowledged that he picked up Bordeaux in his car and took her home. Holbert told WTVD Channel 11 that he dropped Bordeaux off near the entrance of her apartment complex.

Holbert also told the television station that he only recently met Bordeaux and her friend, whom he did not identify.

"She came into Froggy Bottoms a couple of weeks ago with a friend - male friend - and they was drinking and playing pool," the station quoted Holbert. "And I asked if I could get next on the pool game. They said yes, and that's how I met them, playing pool at the bar."

eta: link. Sorry! http://fayobserver.com/articles/2012/04/23/1173168?sac=fo.local

 

[Muckrucker]

I agree with you Muckrucker. Every clue is pointing that way. This makes Nick look more guilty. The only other scenario that I could think of is if Nick wasn't alone and had a little help from someone else if this was premeditated. It's always possible. It just seems like a lot of work for one person to do if he indeed came back to the bar in 10 minutes. I could definitely see it happening if he had a little help and this was planned.

I'm not convinced he was back in the bar w/i 10 minutes. But, if he was indeed back a short time later, I still think he is the sole perp in this case.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Where was the report of his return?

The owner of Froggy's is quoted as saying that in an article. It's in print. If no one has found it yet, I'll look for it tomorrow as I'm too tired now.

 

[parker38]

I'm not convinced he was back in the bar w/i 10 minutes. But, if he was indeed back a short time later, I still think he is the sole perp in this case.

I agree with you there. But could it be the patrons who saw him come
right back were trying to save face for the bar??

 

[JustyThoughts]

gobsmacked that Justin, Kelli's friend in Florida, received the home safely message? If they had texted back and forth that evening that wouldn't be too unusual, would it? (which seems kind of weird because he said he's married too, yet he visited Kelli a few weeks ago in NC when he and Kelli met NH in Froggy's- no mention that his wife was there). Justin appeared on a news show to explain Kelli's phone going straight to vm and then later, another day, it rang. The family doesn't seem to think his and Kelli's relationship is unusual I guess.

BBM: Woe, this post is to clarify related to Justin. I saw KB's friend from FL being interviewed on the news show and he was identified as KB's former boss at some place she worked (sorry cannot recall the establishment). I wish I had noted his name on the show interview. Is it your thinking that the interview fella is the same person (male friend) that NH described as meeting with K a few weeks back??

Does anyone know if the 2 male friends being discussed are in fact one in the same person?

 

[parker38]

I don't know what that means either because everytime I leave my house, it looks like I'll be back. :waitasec: If you're going out for the evening, you might leave your makeup and hair stuff out on the bathroom counter - messy like - if you're in a hurry. I don't get that remark either. It would be more helpful to know if the clothes she had been wearing were found in a pile or in a hamper or not found anywhere in the apartment. Someone (who?) said Kelli had been wearing a pink top with spaghetti straps. For all we know, that could be false too!

I'm still stuck on this but it will be the last time lol
Maybe a pot of fresh coffee was there.
I guess the biggest thing they would know are the clothes she wore
being missing just like you said.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am unclear on whether or not we have gotten documented information about when NH returned to the bar?

No we haven't. Almost everything so far is what this person said or that person says. Nothing can be substantiated. It's all just hearsay - especially if Froggy's owner wasn't even at the bar. How would he know when Nick returned? He just said what he wanted to say or he was at the bar afterall.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM: Woe, this post is to clarify related to Justin. I saw KB's friend from FL being interviewed on the news show and he was identified as KB's former boss at some place she worked (sorry cannot recall the establishment). I wish I had noted his name on the show interview. Is it your thinking that the interview fella is the same person (male friend) that NH described as meeting with K a few weeks back??

Does anyone know if the 2 male friends being discussed are in fact one in the same person?

Yes, I believe them to be the same person. Justin said he met Kelli at work originally (the boss thing didn't stick with me but if it did you, he probably said it), that led to a friendship and that eventually Kelli got to know his wife too.

Later when I found out that Justin is the friend who was in Froggy's playing pool with Kelli when they met NH, I was sort of surprised. Not sure why.

 

[Muckrucker]

I agree with you there. But could it be the patrons who saw him come
right back were trying to save face for the bar??

Doubt it. Why?

I'm waiting for a timeline from someone more official. First of all, I doubt anyone was paying that much attention to Holbert's activities one way or the other. Others would have been playing pool, possible still doing karaoke, and hanging with their own chums. I doubt anyone looked at their watch to note exactly when Nick & Kelli left, nor looked again to determine how long Holbert had been gone. In my experience, when you're out for an evening to relax with friends and few brews, time isn't something you pay too much attention to, unless you're checking to see how long until last call.

VOH shared that the bar owner wasn't there, and was only going by what he'd been told happened that night when he made that statement to the press - meaning that the '10 minute' quote is third or fourth hand to begin with.

I do believe that Nick might have been back fairly quickly, but what seemed like 10 minutes to bar patrons focused on their own entertainment might have been quite a bit longer.

Here is the upside: LE has been interviewing the bar patrons, so I'm confident they have a much better handle on the timeline than we do. They've got Holbert's statements from investigation - and press - interviews. They have the time of the last ping from Kelli's phone. They have the time of the texts. They have statements from the bar guests. They may or may not have video from local area businesses.

I'm sure they are working hard to piece all of those things together to try to locate Kelli.

 

[Muckrucker]

BBM: Woe, this post is to clarify related to Justin. I saw KB's friend from FL being interviewed on the news show and he was identified as KB's former boss at some place she worked (sorry cannot recall the establishment). I wish I had noted his name on the show interview. Is it your thinking that the interview fella is the same person (male friend) that NH described as meeting with K a few weeks back??

Does anyone know if the 2 male friends being discussed are in fact one in the same person?

I think they are two entirely separate individuals? Not positive.

 

[parker38]

Doubt it. Why?

I'm waiting for a timeline from someone more official. First of all, I doubt anyone was paying that much attention to Holbert's activities one way or the other. Others would have been playing pool, possible still doing karaoke, and hanging with their own chums. I doubt anyone looked at their watch to note exactly when Nick & Kelli left, nor looked again to determine how long Holbert had been gone. In my experience, when you're out for an evening to relax with friends and few brews, time isn't something you pay too much attention to, unless you're checking to see how long until last call.

VOH shared that the bar owner wasn't there, and was only going by what he'd been told happened that night when he made that statement to the press - meaning that the '10 minute' quote is third or fourth hand to begin with.

I do believe that Nick might have been back fairly quickly, but what seemed like 10 minutes to bar patrons focused on their own entertainment might have been quite a bit longer.

Here is the upside: LE has been interviewing the bar patrons, so I'm confident they have a much better handle on the timeline than we do. They've got Holbert's statements from investigation - and press - interviews. They have the time of the last ping from Kelli's phone. They have the time of the texts. They have statements from the bar guests. They may or may not have video from local area businesses.

I'm sure they are working hard to piece all of those things together to try to locate Kelli.[/quote


Well my reason would be the bad publicity of having someone leave my
establishment and disappear and have someone I know helping in the bar may be responsible.
I guess people feel differently about it but I can tell you I would never
enter that bar; ever!!!!!

 

[Soulmagent]

Yes, I believe them to be the same person. Justin said he met Kelli at work originally (the boss thing didn't stick with me but if it did you, he probably said it), that led to a friendship and that eventually Kelli got to know his wife too.

Later when I found out that Justin is the friend who was in Froggy's playing pool with Kelli when they met NH, I was sort of surprised. Not sure why.

I dont believe it is fact they were friends ,I believe it was speculated. I think he met Kelli and Justin at the same time.