GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #8

[curiousjo]

Do you think NH is being set up? Someone planted muddy boots at the bar, then called police to say there was a stench - leading police to return to bar and find boots? Anyone recognize who the boots belong to?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

VOH...Did Kelli regularly or on occasion smoke cigarettes?
How about Nick (IIRC, he is a smoker, please confirm). IN NY you can't smoke inside bars, you have to step outside. How about in NC, smoking inside?

VOH told us earlier on that they fire up the barrels outside of Froggy's on cool evenings. VOH reported that the barrels were lit on Friday night.
In almost every group of bar people some are smokers and have to go outside to smoke. VOH stated that peeps use the barrel area to smoke while, at the same time, keeping warm.

Now here's another pesky question, why didn't some/any patrons leave the bar for at least an hour or more to go outside to have a smoke?
The barrels were lit.

Now is someone going to say that none of the patrons at Froggy's on Friday night were smokers? All the smokers left before 11:30? What? :banghead:
I've never known a smoker who was also drinking to go over an hour without having a cig. :moo:

 

[Madeleine74]

Do you think NH is being set up? Someone planted muddy boots at the bar, then called police to say there was a stench - leading police to return to bar and find boots? Anyone recognize who the boots belong to?

I don't.

First of all NH put himself w/the victim at the end of the night that Fri. No one set that up. And if someone did report muddy boots and a stench, LE can easily determine if those boots belong to NH or not (size, DNA, etc) and if they have any physical evidence connected to KB on them. As for a stench, it's either there or it isn't there. And if it's there, it's either something suspicious (like a body or parts) or it's not.

 

[mamamia54]

Do you think NH is being set up? Someone planted muddy boots at the bar, then called police to say there was a stench - leading police to return to bar and find boots? Anyone recognize who the boots belong to?

Not sure, but then after LE searched behind the bar those muddly boots turned up, so who knows.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Do you think NH is being set up? Someone planted muddy boots at the bar, then called police to say there was a stench - leading police to return to bar and find boots? Anyone recognize who the boots belong to?

curiousjo, I don't know if anyone 'planted' muddy sneakers. I inserted the word as I immediately became suspicious that the sneakers could have been planted. Why wouldn't LE find the muddy sneakers earlier that day? And then no stench confirmed (maybe) which is the reason they were called to return to Froggy's in the first place?

To be clear - it's my suspicious mind that jumped to 'planted' sneakers. But don't the circumstances seem hinky? The muddy sneakers just show up after how many days? After LE had already looked around Froggy's?

Now I worry how thorough of a job LE does, no?

 

[Muckrucker]

Thought: Cape Fear River has alligators in it.

The fact that the nearby river is called 'Cape Fear' really creeps me out. I was reviewing pics of searchers earlier today, knee-deep in Cape Fear River. I was thinking that the parallels were quite disturbing.

DeNiro spent much time researching sexual predators before he played the part. Unfortunately, I suspect that the perp who has made Kelli's disappear has done his own homework, too.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't.

First of all NH put himself w/the victim at the end of the night that Fri. No one set that up. And if someone did report muddy boots and a stench, LE can easily determine if those boots belong to NH or not (size, DNA, etc) and if they have any physical evidence connected to KB on them. As for a stench, it's either there or it isn't there. And if it's there, it's either something suspicious (like a body or parts) or it's not.

That's true. But why did LE miss the sneakers (not boots)? We don't know if they belonged to NH. But it just seems weird. The stench may be true, we don't 100 percent know - why would someone report a stench that's not there? So LE can discover the muddy sneakers?

NH was with the victim at the end of Friday night. No one is debating that.

 

[mamamia54]

That's true. But why did LE miss the sneakers (not boots)? We don't know if they belonged to NH. But it just seems weird. The stench may be true, we don't 100 percent know - why would someone report a stench that's not there? So LE can discover the muddy sneakers?

NH was with the victim at the end of Friday night. No one is debating that.

But according to VOH, it wasn't LE that found those sneakers, it was an Army guy, possibly searching with others back there that found them.

 

[Muckrucker]

I don't know Nick, but I would not give him too much credit. Phrases such as "that stupid", may not apply directly to his IQ, but more-so to his decision making ability, which can be 2 very different things. He may have reacted and thought later as we often do.

Very interesting and insightful. There is indeed a far cry between intellect and ability to make decisions critically and thoughtfully.

Most of my theories involve NH reacting impulsively, without premeditation, but also involve some specific attempts to perform a mad dash for trail covering once he'd had a few moments to reflect. And 2.5 days to work work on the 'rewind' before Kelli was reported missing.

Nice distinction you've presented.

 

[spoiledmom]

The fact that the nearby river is called 'Cape Fear' really creeps me out. I was reviewing pics of searchers earlier today, knee-deep in Cape Fear River. I was thinking that the parallels were quite disturbing.

DeNiro spent much time researching sexual predators before he played the part. Unfortunately, I suspect that the perp who has made Kelli's disappear has done his own homework, too.

I was looking at that river today too. I was thinking about the fact that someone could have put her body in that river. It was flowing fast and deep. Very disturbing

 

[LLLindsayy]

My curious mind wants to know if the construction site in the vicinity is the type of site where the workers are there during the day, overnight (usually if it's a busy area), or around the clock?


TIA.

 

[spoiledmom]

And it is pretty routine for LE to polgraph everyone directly associated to an investigation. So why didn't they offer Nick one? Or if they did why didn't he say he voluntarily took it and PASSED! Was he not offered one, did he take one and fail it or did he just refuse to take one? Also we have no one's word but Nick's that he actually did the looking into the camera thing!

You are right that Nick did not HAVE to talk to the media which is the choice most people, even innocent people make in an investigation. With no known way to contact him, Nick would almost had to have contacted the media himself to set up those interviews and to me that is not the way most innocent people behave. He reminds me of Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Susan Smith and a host of others who were guilty but tried to use the media to convince people that they were completely innocent of anything!!

Yes..And don't forget JOSH POWELL!! The Psycho! He played innocent into the cameras and look what he did. I am assuming that they asked Nick to take a polygraph. Either Nick declined to take one or he took it and failed IMO. Because if he took it and passed, I think they would say that he passed the poly. They can't use the Poly in court so I don't think that they would tell the media if he failed. Just a guess though.

 

[Muckrucker]

Im not so sure there is any evidence Kelly was anywhere but INSIDE that bar and the parkinglot!
I dont think they found anythig that placed her out back .
JMO

With all due respect, the name of the missing woman is Kelli, not Kelly.

An easy mistake to make, as Kelly is the more common spelling, but IMO, when we follow cases, it is a sign of respect to pause before hitting the 'send' on our posts, review them in light of how it will read for the families before hitting the 'send' button. It only takes a few seconds to review and it is well worth the effort.

 

[LLLindsayy]

I'm sure there are many explanations out there, but none are coming to mind right now. Even if NH is guilty, what would be his motive for lying about his timeline when know knows there were witnesses at FB that saw him leave?

(I know LE hasn't said they're focusing on a midnight timeline because they think that's when NH and KB left. I'm simply asking this question using the premise that they might be.)

 

[spoiledmom]

Naw, he's not that bright. I just don't give him that much credit.

He is dumber than a door nail. But unfortunately he had two days to think about an alibi and hide the evidence which is plenty of time. Even for a dumb person. Usually people that commit murders don't get that much time to think before people start looking.

 

[Todd Picuyane]

I'm not impressed with lie detectors in the first place. I can beat one if I wanted by using exercises too delicate to detail on this site. (For information, google PENN TELLER LIE DETECTOR) However, what it IS good for is to detect before and after reactions. Ironically, those reactions are more indicative of truth or lies in many aspects, because THOSE times are less guarded if someone wanted to implicate himself, and LE uses those cues to aid them in interrogation.

 

[mamamia54]

No, he is dumber than a door nail. But unfortunately he had two days to think about an alibi and hide the evidence which is plenty of time. Even for a dumb person. Usually people that commit murders don't get that much time to think before people start looking.

Then why didn't he simply say, I dropped her off at her apartment? Why tell them that he dropped her off where she would need to walk TO her apartment?

Just adding....I know you're going to say to leave time for another random person to grab her, but that could have happened as she entered the apartment complex, while she was opening her door, etc.

 

[Muckrucker]

One thing I've learned through following many cases and trials: It does no good to imagine what the perp might have been thinking, or how smart they are. Most of us aren't criminals, therefore it's like comparing apples to apple crumble. It might seem like they're similar, but you have to add a lot of ingredients, mix it up, then bake it for a while to make a crumble.

In the above analogy, we'd be the apples, and the suspects/criminals would be the crumble. There are so many additional layers and ingredients that go into their behaviours that we'd never be able to duplicate the recipes for their thinking or their crimes.

Doesn't matter how intelligent or dense any criminal is. Typically, the thing that makes or breaks them is how shrewd they are - and how intent they are on self-preservation. Even the dumbest types can get very creative when they're feeling desperate and looking out for their own sorry hides.

We can't super-impose our own patterns of thinking on criminals, because while they appear to be similar, our thought processes are very different. Many might think they can put themselves in perp shoes to think 'like' a criminal, but very few of us have that DNA to actually enact upon it and behave with the kind of selfishness it takes to take another person's life wantonly.

Long/short: guessing any POI's mindset is a crap shoot, at best. They're wired differently.

 

[spoiledmom]

But his crime was commited whe he was also cosidered a child!

How often does this occur and could it be the raging testosterone of a 16 yr old and it wouldnt have mattered to him if the victim was 5 or 15 or 25?

Also id like to know when a woman goes missing are they most likely to be found if the crime was done by a stranger or a loved one? Ayone know?

For some reason i think when a stranger murders them the stranger leaves them in a shallow grave or in a dump or trash site where loved ones take the time to hide the bodies ad the crime!

I dont know!

I'm sorry but it is not normal for a 16 year old to rape a 5 year old. It doesn't matter what level of testosterone Nick had. He raped her because he is a sick and twisted individual, not because his hormones were imbalanced. Come on lets not make excuses for the sake of the victim.

 

[spoiledmom]

Then why didn't he simply say, I dropped her off at her apartment? Why tell them that he dropped her off where she would need to walk TO her apartment?

Just adding....I know you're going to say to leave time for another random person to grab her, but that could have happened as she entered the apartment complex, while she was opening her door, etc.

I don't have a clue why he said what he did. But he had plenty of time to think about the situation he was in and plenty of time to hide evidence. Anything else that LE has found is probably because of Nick's stupidity. IMO.