NY - $250m fraud against Former President Donald Trump, Trump Org., Eric, Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023, #2

[sds71]

Donald Trump is done testifying. Direct is over and there is no cross examination.

https://x.com/eorden/status/1721622823930651023?s=20

After some further questions about planned changes to the internal controls and financial reporting systems at the Trump Org, Wallace rests. Now Kise is asking whether at the conclusion of the AG’s case, they can move orally for a mistrial or directed verdict and reference the subject matter of the gag order without running afoul of that order.

Engoron says, “I am 1000 percent confident that you don’t have any right or reason to complain about my confidential communications.”

https://x.com/lawofruby/status/1721623844169953476?s=20

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Alina Habba, one of Trump's attorneys, told reporters during the lunch break that Engoron is "unhinged" and had "predetermined" that Trump was guilty.

"I don't want to hear what he has to say," Habba said, quoting the judge's admonishment to Trump's lawyers this morning after Engoron asked Trump to give more succinct answers during his testimony.

"That was what rang true loud and could not have been more honest, coming from the judge who was already predetermined that my client committed fraud before we even walked into this courtroom," Habba said.

When he made the remark, Engoron’s had been trying to rein in Trump’s answers, telling his team that the former was there to not talk about things outside the attorney general’s lawyer’s line of questioning.

Habba went on to say that the country is "falling apart" and there is "corruption in court rooms where attorneys are gagged."

"You have a right to hire a lawyer who can stand up and say something when they see something wrong. But I was told to sit down today, I was yelled at," Habba said.

Habba also criticized James, saying that she was using the trial to "make a name for herself."

"[James] said this morning that the numbers don't lie and they won't lie in this case. Well, Miss James, I have a message for you: The numbers didn't lie when you ran for governor, and that's why you dropped out," Habba said.
Trump's lawyer calls Engoron 'unhinged'

Habba doubling down outside court, taking a note from her client and throwing a tizzy because she was told to sit her arse down and shut it.

talking about the unfairness of it and how the judge has already predetermined tRump's guilt. As if she has never filed for and probably gotten a summary judgment or two in her own career. GMAFB, they don't have a case to argue so they are taking a page from Donald to attempt to try it in the court of public opinion. This is all for the minions who are eating it up like candy.

Isn't he already guilty and this is just to determine the penalties?

 

[ParkerParky]

Isn't he already guilty and this is just to determine the penalties?

yes, that is my understanding.

 

[tlcya]

Trump is now excused from the stand and finished giving testimony.

The prosecution finished its questioning, with Trump's team then deferring from a cross examination.

Ivanka Trump is set to take the stand Wednesday.
Trump is excused from the stand

Well today has been something else. I honestly expected today's witness to be even more ill behaved than he was. Nothing shocking in how tRump comported himself on the stand MOO. What I am more shocked about is his counsel, assisting him in perpetuating the lie that something untoward has been done to 45.

If anyone has devalued the judicial system it is the former president's attorneys. EXAMPLES FROM JUST TODAY:

"That was what rang true loud and could not have been more honest, coming from the judge who was already predetermined that my client committed fraud before we even walked into this courtroom," Habba said.

Habba went on to say that the country is "falling apart" and there is "corruption in courtrooms where attorneys are gagged."

During questioning, Trump attorney Chris Kise referred to his client as the future president of the United States, citing a poll released yesterday by The New York Times.

"What I'm seeing is such a demise of the American judicial system," Habba said outside the courthouse. "They’ve got nothing but their politics."

"This is a judge who clearly has an issue with facts that are not good for the case," she said of Judge Arthur Engoron.

"This is a situation where you have on the stand a candidate for president of the United States. Being here takes away from that effort," Kise said. "The court needs to hear what he has to say about these statements."

These are officers of the court, well educated, experienced attorneys. I am ashamed on their behalf. They have as little respect for the justice system as their client. MOO

 

[Chelly]

His behavior in court towards the judge and AG James was inappropriate and way out of bounds. Why isn't he held in contempt? Is judge just giving him a pass?

 

[tlcya]

His behavior in court towards the judge and AG James was inappropriate and way out of bounds. Why isn't he held in contempt? Is judge just giving him a pass?

we already know this case will be appealed ad infinitum. I suspect the judge was giving tRump plenty of rope to hang himself while highlighting how non-biased he himself has been in the face of such shenanigans.

 

[vls12345]

[snip]

Well today has been something else. I honestly expected today's witness to be even more ill behaved than he was. Nothing shocking in how tRump comported himself on the stand MOO. What I am more shocked about is his counsel, assisting him in perpetuating the lie that something untoward has been done to 45.

If anyone has devalued the judicial system it is the former president's attorneys. EXAMPLES FROM JUST TODAY:

[snip]

These are officers of the court, well educated, experienced attorneys. I am ashamed on their behalf. They have as little respect for the justice system as their client. MOO

Since tfg is their client, I think they are auditioning for his followers, plenty of whom seem to need legal assistance for crimes they have committed (Jan. 6, for example). Maybe they see acting this way in court as good advertising for themselves with magats who may end up needing legal representation at some point. MOO.

 

[Inthedetails]

<rsbm>
Just like declassification of docs, if he can think it, it is so ??

snipped

What sort of business cannot produce legit financial reports that don't differ from other copies of the financial reports? What kind of businessman cannot cite an actual, verifiable, reliable number for business transactions and values? What kind of person reacts in anger when questioned?

Wrong answer: an honest business run by an honest person

My opinion based on observing this case development. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Since tfg is their client, I think they are auditioning for his followers, plenty of whom seem to need legal assistance for crimes they have committed (Jan. 6, for example). Maybe they see acting this way in court as good advertising for themselves with magats who may end up needing legal representation at some point. MOO.

Or auditioning for some favors should the defendant be elected to office. This is the sort of people he likes around.

Then again, considering he is likely to lose a lot of money in the judgement of this case, he might fire them and claim they are lousy losers out to ruin him.

jmo

 

[JerseyGirl]

Here are today’s key moments:

• Trump criticised the “very, very unfair” trial and claimed judge Arthur Engoron “always rules against me”
• Trump claimed he was still president in 2021 in an apparent gaffe
• New York attorney general Letitia White accused him of “bullying and name calling”
• Trump claimed to have once had between $300million and $400million in cash
• He demanded the case be dismissed immediately, despite the judge having already ruled he committed fraud.

This is the full statement Donald Trump made to the media outside court after proceedings concluded.

“I think it went very well. I think if you were there and you listened and you see what a scam this is.

This is a case that should never have been brought. It’s a case that should be dismissed immediately. The fraud was on behalf of the court. The court was the fraudster in this case.

They made references to assets that were very valuable and they said… they had no idea. They had no idea what the numbers were. They said $18million for Mar A Lago and it’s 50 to 100 times that amount by any estimation.

It’s a terrible thing that’s happened here. We’re taking days and days, and weeks and weeks.

It goes on and then you look at the outside world and what’s happened but of course they’re getting their wish because I don’t have to be here for the most part but I sort of do have to be here because I want to be here.

This is a scam and this is a case that should never have been brought and it’s a case that now should be dismissed.

Everybody saw what happened today. Everybody saw what happened with their star witness who admitted that I never told him what he originally said I did. He admitted that he lied and he has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. That’s their only witness. That’s their only witness.

I think you saw what I had to say today and it was very conclusive. Everything we did was absolutely right. To think that we’re being sued and spending all this time and money and you have people being killed all over the world that this country could stop.

With inflation and all of the other problems that this country has I think it’s a disgrace. And when you look at the numbers, the poll numbers that came out today from the New York Times and CBS, I’m sure the Times was not too happy.

But people are sick and tired of what’s happening. This is a sad, I think it’s a very sad day for America.

But anyway this is a case that should have never been brought and it’s a case that should be immediately dismissed. Thank you. Thank you very much.”

Trump fraud trial: Former president demands case be dismissed as he leaves 'fraudster' court

Donald Trump has demanded the $250m civil fraud case against him be dismissed as he left court after a remarkable day of testimony.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[dmac55]

How Trump's chaotic testimony helped N.Y. AG Letitia James' case - MSNBC

One of the most damning moments from Trump's chaotic testimony — MSNBC

The former president's statements on the witness stand helped state attorneys score points in at least four key ways.

apple.news

 

[Niner]

I am going to reference this article for my notes for Trump's testimony:

Real estate valuations aren't a science, defense says

Get live updates from the trial of former President Trump in a $250 million fraud suit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Inthedetails]

Regarding Trump in NYC, nobody seems to want to buy Ivana's townshouse.

The place has been on the market since last November and "even with a $4 million price cut — it’s still for sale."

Apparently they have done nothing to stage the place except to leave mementos showing association with Trump. "Perhaps Ivanka, Donald Jr., and Eric should invest in de-contenting the home of the Trump family mementos and make it a blank slate for a new family to envision living there. If they want to sell the townhouse sooner versus later, they need to realize that many people don’t want a reminder of the Donald Trump era, especially in Manhattan."

Ivana Trump's $22.5 Million NYC Townhouse Has No Buyers & Donald Trump Might Be the Problem

Ivana Trump’s Upper East Side townhouse needs a buyer, and no one seems to want to touch it. Her children, Ivanka, Eric, and Donald Trump Jr., put the six-story, 8,800-square-foot residence on the market last November, four months after her sudden passing. And even with a $4 million price cut —...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Arkay]

Trump and His Lawyers Dare N.Y. Judge to Throw Him in Jail

“When a defendant honestly believes he can’t possibly get a fair trial from the judge, one of the tactics is to antagonize the judge to a point of causing reversible errors,” celebrity lawyer Alan Dershowitz says of the strategy

au.news.yahoo.com

This sounds to me like a Hail Mary pass, and like all Hail Mary passes, it has a chance to somehow work.

IMO it really does seem that his lawyers being so brazen may be part of the plan to have the judge recused, or his decision overturned on appeal.

It’s a tightrope that Judge Engoron must balance on, carefully, so Trump does not slide out of his overdue punishment.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Analysis: Donald Trump’s day in court paints a dark preview of the national ordeal ahead | CNN Politics
The judge in Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial despairingly pressed the ex-president’s lawyer: “I beseech you to control him if you can.”

[...]

No mere lawyer could impose the kind of discipline that two-and-a-half centuries of constitutional checks and balances could not provide during Trump’s time in office or since. And after threatening to dismiss the ex-president from the witness stand, Engoron opted to let the Trump storm rage in the apparent hope that it would blow itself out — though history has shown it never does.

[...]

The ex-president’s day was a microcosm of a riotous life as a real estate magnate, New York City icon, showbiz reality star and demagogic political candidate and US president. He obstructed, exaggerated, spouted insults, brassily trampled courtroom protocol and substituted partisan narratives for the yes and no answers that the judge demanded. Yet Trump also expertly used the outraged stream of consciousness and linguistic dexterity that turns his interrogators in the law, or the media, in knots.

There were even flashes of humor, hinting at one of the key ingredients of the political method that has seduced millions of Americans. Asked, for instance, whether he had built houses on a golf course in Scotland, Trump conceded that he had not but added waspishly: “I have a castle.” And there were oodles of quintessential Trump self-promotion. He boasted that his Florida Mar-a-Lago resort was “a very successful club,” said he’d built the “best building on the West Coast” and claimed dubiously that his 18 holes in Aberdeen was the “greatest golf course ever built.”

[...]

It became clear long before Trump left court complaining of a “scam” that his legal strategy was indistinguishable from his familiar political one: admit nothing and brand any criticism as proof of a vast, unfair plot against him. The goal was transparent: leverage the latest bid to call him to account into a campaign fueled by a martyr complex that can win back presidential powers to drive away his legal woes.

[...]

But the most sobering takeaway of Trump’s day in court on Monday was that while the law might succeed in enforcing accountability where constitutional and political constraints failed, there is no sign yet that anyone or anything can bring the potential 47th president of the United States under control.

 

[Falling Down]

Analysis: Donald Trump’s day in court paints a dark preview of the national ordeal ahead | CNN Politics
The judge in Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial despairingly pressed the ex-president’s lawyer: “I beseech you to control him if you can.”

[...]

No mere lawyer could impose the kind of discipline that two-and-a-half centuries of constitutional checks and balances could not provide during Trump’s time in office or since. And after threatening to dismiss the ex-president from the witness stand, Engoron opted to let the Trump storm rage in the apparent hope that it would blow itself out — though history has shown it never does.

[...]

The ex-president’s day was a microcosm of a riotous life as a real estate magnate, New York City icon, showbiz reality star and demagogic political candidate and US president. He obstructed, exaggerated, spouted insults, brassily trampled courtroom protocol and substituted partisan narratives for the yes and no answers that the judge demanded. Yet Trump also expertly used the outraged stream of consciousness and linguistic dexterity that turns his interrogators in the law, or the media, in knots.

There were even flashes of humor, hinting at one of the key ingredients of the political method that has seduced millions of Americans. Asked, for instance, whether he had built houses on a golf course in Scotland, Trump conceded that he had not but added waspishly: “I have a castle.” And there were oodles of quintessential Trump self-promotion. He boasted that his Florida Mar-a-Lago resort was “a very successful club,” said he’d built the “best building on the West Coast” and claimed dubiously that his 18 holes in Aberdeen was the “greatest golf course ever built.”

[...]

It became clear long before Trump left court complaining of a “scam” that his legal strategy was indistinguishable from his familiar political one: admit nothing and brand any criticism as proof of a vast, unfair plot against him. The goal was transparent: leverage the latest bid to call him to account into a campaign fueled by a martyr complex that can win back presidential powers to drive away his legal woes.

[...]

But the most sobering takeaway of Trump’s day in court on Monday was that while the law might succeed in enforcing accountability where constitutional and political constraints failed, there is no sign yet that anyone or anything can bring the potential 47th president of the United States under control.

Like other successful folks, he split from NY for greener pastures.

Maybe they just need a last pound of flesh from him.

 

[MyBelle]

Analysis: Donald Trump’s day in court paints a dark preview of the national ordeal ahead | CNN Politics
The judge in Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial despairingly pressed the ex-president’s lawyer: “I beseech you to control him if you can.”

[...]

No mere lawyer could impose the kind of discipline that two-and-a-half centuries of constitutional checks and balances could not provide during Trump’s time in office or since. And after threatening to dismiss the ex-president from the witness stand, Engoron opted to let the Trump storm rage in the apparent hope that it would blow itself out — though history has shown it never does.

[...]

The ex-president’s day was a microcosm of a riotous life as a real estate magnate, New York City icon, showbiz reality star and demagogic political candidate and US president. He obstructed, exaggerated, spouted insults, brassily trampled courtroom protocol and substituted partisan narratives for the yes and no answers that the judge demanded. Yet Trump also expertly used the outraged stream of consciousness and linguistic dexterity that turns his interrogators in the law, or the media, in knots.

There were even flashes of humor, hinting at one of the key ingredients of the political method that has seduced millions of Americans. Asked, for instance, whether he had built houses on a golf course in Scotland, Trump conceded that he had not but added waspishly: “I have a castle.” And there were oodles of quintessential Trump self-promotion. He boasted that his Florida Mar-a-Lago resort was “a very successful club,” said he’d built the “best building on the West Coast” and claimed dubiously that his 18 holes in Aberdeen was the “greatest golf course ever built.”

[...]

It became clear long before Trump left court complaining of a “scam” that his legal strategy was indistinguishable from his familiar political one: admit nothing and brand any criticism as proof of a vast, unfair plot against him. The goal was transparent: leverage the latest bid to call him to account into a campaign fueled by a martyr complex that can win back presidential powers to drive away his legal woes.

[...]

But the most sobering takeaway of Trump’s day in court on Monday was that while the law might succeed in enforcing accountability where constitutional and political constraints failed, there is no sign yet that anyone or anything can bring the potential 47th president of the United States under control.

That is the scary part. Those of us who have had loved ones with dementia, truly am troubled by Trump's aggressive public comments and his behavior in general.

JMO

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, November 8th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 25) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge).
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
Trump fined $5,000 on 10/20/23 for violating his gag order & on 10/25/23 Trump fined $10,000 for violating his gag order 2nd time. Both paid on 10/30/23 per Alina Habba.
Judge Arthur Engoron on 11/3/23 has expanded a gag order prohibiting Trump’s attorneys from making any further comments about confidential communications between the judge & his staff inside or outside of the courtroom. The judge said violating the order would result in “serious sanctions.”
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-23 (10/2-11/3/23) reference post #5 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t... Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023, #2
11/6/23 Monday, Bench Trial Day 24: State witness: Donald J. Trump.
For more info see posts #96 (article) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t... Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023, #2
Bench Trial continues on Wednesday, 11/8/23. Court is closed on Tuesday 11/7 for election day.

 

[minusfour]

Ivanka is due to testify today. She has not been deposed, and some commentators are calling today "Ivanka Unplugged", because she has no idea what she will be asked. I can't wait to find out!

 

[minusfour]

That is the scary part. Those of us who have had loved ones with dementia, truly am troubled by Trump's aggressive public comments and his behavior in general.

JMO

It's funny, every time Biden makes a mistake, Trump and the media are all over it. Trump however has, on more than one occasion recently at rallys completely lost his train of thought mid sentence. He has got his geography mixed up, and, for reasons that I really can't understand, he talks about how strong his relationship is with leaders that are not considered allies of the USA. He says Kim Jong Un told him that he didn't like Biden, (he used a naughty word about him!!), that the president of Hungary, which shares a boarder with Russia he said, (it doesn't), has a wonderful, "very strong" leader. Cognitively, it seems he may have problems