Moo..I thought Mr Neely was living on the streets? Did any of his family share space with Mr Neely?
There are articles early on the thread about his family’s efforts to help him. I apologize for not going back to find them.
Moo..I thought Mr Neely was living on the streets? Did any of his family share space with Mr Neely?
On this I totally agree with you.Yes. IMHO the closing of many mental hospitals in the '80's directly led to the homeless crisis that we see today; obviously, a lot of the homeless out there are mentally ill who are unable to hold down jobs; take care of themselves; etc.
Would there still be homeless if these mental hospitals hadn't closed?! Absolutely. But, I don't believe the issue would be as bad as it is now.
That's completely irrelevant to what transpired that day. No she won't be testifying, as you're probably already aware.JN had viciously attacked an elderly woman and broke bones in her face with his fist. Was he trying to kill her? I hope she testifies at Penny's trial.
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Moo..if they could not get him to comply, what's their issue. ?There are articles early on the thread about his family’s efforts to help him. I apologize for not going back to find them.
Their issue is that he didn't need to die. There are non-lethal ways to restrain out of control people that are used all the time in healthcare settings.Moo..if they could not get him to comply, what's their issue. ?
Moo..if they could not get him to comply, what's their issue. ?
It's not at all irrelevant because it goes to JN's pattern of behavior toward elderly women. If the Defense wants her to testify, she'll testify. So will witnesses present during the attack including the elderly woman who called Penny a "Hero."That's completely irrelevant to what transpired that day. No she won't be testifying, as you're probably already aware.
Penny would have to prove that he knew of the previous attack. If he didn't there's not a chance in hell she'll be allowed to testify. The defense can't just call any witness they like. The DA will object and then the judge will more than likely deem it prejudicial.It's not at all irrelevant because it goes to JN's pattern of behavior toward elderly women. If the Defense wants her to testify, she'll testify. So will witnesses present during the attack including the elderly woman who called Penny a "Hero."
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Witness to Jordan Neely chokehold death calls Daniel Penny a ‘hero’ and offers to testify on his behalf
“The rhetoric from Mr. Neely was very frightening, it was very harsh,” the witness told The Post.nypost.com
The 66-year-old woman, who asked not to be identified, also said she’d testify on behalf of Penny, 24, who was charged last week with second-degree manslaughter over the deadly encounter.
BBM. Penny's defense doesn't have to prove anything. The burden of proof rests on the prosecution. And judges do allow the defense to call witnesses. The prosecution can cross-examine.Penny would have to prove that he knew of the previous attack. If he didn't there's not a chance in hell she'll be allowed to testify. The defense can't just call any witness they like. The DA will object and then the judge will more than likely deem it prejudicial.
I have no doubt that witnesses from that day will be testifying though.
Of course the defense are allowed to call witnesses but not just any tom dick or harry. It just doesn't work like that and trying to explain, I fear, is not going to get me anywhere and just give me a headache so....BBM. Penny's defense doesn't have to prove anything. The burden of proof rests on the prosecution. And judges do allow the defense to call witnesses. The prosecution can cross-examine.
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I do believe the defense can call any witness they want and then lay the foundation for why they called the witness. They could also call the police officer who arrested JN for assaulting the elderly woman.Of course the defense are allowed to call witnesses but not just any tom dick or harry. It just doesn't work like that and trying to explain, I fear, is not going to get me anywhere and just give me a headache so....
I do believe the defense can call any witness they want and then lay the foundation for why they called the witness. They could also call the police officer who arrested JN for assaulting the elderly woman.
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No they really can't. There will be no foundation laid because they won't be allowed to testify. @PrairieWind hopefully will be able to explain this in legal terms that I cannot.I do believe the defense can call any witness they want and then lay the foundation for why they called the witness. They could also call the police officer who arrested JN for assaulting the elderly woman.
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I think there is a big difference between being charged with second degree manslaughter and murder.I don’t think he was a murderer before he set foot on that subway. Yet he did kill, so he is now a killer. What’s the difference? Words? Semantics?
But when asked if he would take action again if he were in a similar situation, Penny nodded.
“You know, I live an authentic and genuine life,” Penny said. “And I would — if there was a threat and danger in the present …”
Does he feel he did anything to be ashamed of?
“I don’t, I mean, I always do what I think is right.”
I think there is a big difference between being charged with second degree manslaughter and murder.
Both the terms "killer" and "murderer" have the connotation of intentionality. Manslaughter in the second degree, for those who have been convicted of it, unintentionality caused the death of another human being. Major difference, IMO.