GUILTY OH - Annabelle Richardson, newborn, found in grave , 7 May 2017 *GUILTY OF ABUSE OF CORPSE ONLY* *resentencing 2022* #4

[MyBelle]

I don't believe all babies let out a loud cry some it takes a few attempts. Babies are not all the same. I believe if BSR baby did not have the airway cleaned out the sound she made could have sounded like a gurgle. I think people need to use their common sense. The only person that truly knows what happened that night is BSR. We have not heard the truth from her just conflicting stories she wants to narrate. Which imo is to please mom and dad.

The Drs on the stand can only speculate by what they read and saw in tapes. They also were not present during the birth.

moo

I disagree. When it comes to expert testimony, the jury has a sworn duty to listen to their conclusions based on their years of training, education and experience. "common sense" is irrelevant. The forensic anthropologist testified that the baby was stillborn and they had no reason NOT to believe her because there was no testimony the baby was born alive. Pathologists are never present during the birth. The "gurgle" comment wasn't made by an expert, it was in the police interrogation.

He said a pathologist from Indiana who testified in Richardson’s defense “did an awesome job.”

“She is one of a hundred people with that level of education in the world,” he said. “She had instant credibility.”

‘It was not a live birth’: Second juror speaks about Brooke Skylar Richardson verdict

 

[geevee]

18:37 would someone with better ears listen to what he says and translate, I thought he said " unfortunately it's happened before BSR " I know" SR " and you hid it" then I cannot understand the next few crucial words before he jumps back to the present and talks about this baby

To me it sounded like (BSR -'It was my own baby, I would never try and hurt it') SR - Unfortunately honey it happened before (BSR - 'I know') SR - and you hid it, until, you know what I'm saying (BSR - 'Yeah'), SR - till it went on and on'. I can't make out that last utterance. Wasn't there a transcript for both interviews?

 

[Cindizzi]

I'm so confused here. How The Heck did she get BC pills if she was that far along?

Testimony of Dr. Andrew & medical assistant from April 26 visit. Rx for bc pills sent to pharmacy, but BSR refused pelvic exam and told med. asst. her last period was 2 weeks ago, told the Dr. last period was a month ago. Dr. decided pregnancy test was necessary. After positive results he cancelled the Rx but apparently the pharmacy had already filled it. Listen at 14:40. And again 45:50.

 

[osu]

IIRC, it was mentioned in one of the earlier MSM news articles that BSR agreed to give an interview once the trial was over.

IMO, she must have a deal with CBS because some are saying a ‘48 Hours’ film crew were at the house today.

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

This jury only took a little over 4 hours to reach their verdict. He says they spent 2 on abuse of a corpse, we know they had lunch, so how much time did they really spend going over all the evidence? I think they went back to deliberations with their minds made up. Maybe those 7 women who came out and stood holding hands didn't inform the 5 men that some babies don't cry and scream after their first breath. Actually I think they had an agenda and followed it through to the end. Including that little note with the verdict. JMO

Agree. I’m not so sure they wrote a note. Each charge would have it’s own verdict form where they check off guilty or not guilty and affix their signatures. On the child endangerment charge I think it had boxes to also check off we did or we did not find that she caused harm.

When he read it he said “not guilty.. and it does say we did not find the defendant caused serious bodily harm to the alleged victim.... but that finding is not necessary as a matter of law”. It sounds like he is reading it as it’s printed on the form, not something they hand wrote in. IMO
2:40 on the video.

If you look at the attached, the 1st paragraph under child endangerment explains if guilty on manslaughter, then automatically guilty on child endangerment. BUT, they could find not guilty on manslaughter and go on to find guilty of child endangerment.

 

[al66pine]

"False" Confessions? How Badly Did Richardson's Stmts to LE Hurt Her?

I agree with him that there are cases of false confessions but those cases usually involve torture, beatings or the threat or fear of a beating or death even that makes them confess, why would Skylar who fears her parents so much confess that she cremated her baby's feet just a little bit if it were not true?....

@dizzychick Thanks for your post sbm Agreeing w ^, 'usually' or 'often.'
One other thought about 'false' confessions, generally, not spec. this case, and asking rhetorically ---
Why, oh, why, submit to LE interviews, in US? 5th amendment and all that. just thinking aloud.

Caveat - I have not followed this case until today, have not read all posts, have read some MSM or seen a bit of court vid. Read 98 page transcript of (2nd?) LE interview w bio-mom. From < interview, her stmts could be intrpret'ed as quite damaging to her, but I did not watch vid.

That said, if bio-mom had not agreed to LE interviews, would DA/prosecutor have had enough probable cause to get indictment?

 

[Cindizzi]

IIRC, it was mentioned in one of the earlier MSM news articles that BSR agreed to give an interview once the trial was over.

IMO, she must have a deal with CBS because some are saying a ‘48 Hours’ film crew were at their house today.

JMO

Erin Moriarity has been in the courtroom and she tweeted this on 9/5/2019.
Erin F Moriarty on Twitter

 

[Winterhike]

I'm sure some posters are just spouting what basic pop culture information they know, but if this case has truly piqued your interest about eating disorders and what absolute havoc they can cause in a family or for an individual (especially if you know anyone who might be at risk of developing one), please consider educating yourself beyond TV movies about Karen Carpenter, who died almost forty years ago. Eating disorders are still killing people, but fortunately there has been some progress in the field of treating them since 1983.

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm so confused here. How The Heck did she get BC pills if she was that far along?

She lied.

Edited to say, there seem to be two different stories about what happened and I'm not sure which is true. I guess we need to see a link. Either way, it appears that she lied to the Dr and was able to get a prescription. I guess her mom was in the waiting room and she managed to persuade the Dr. to give her a script. Then apparently she proceeded to take them even though she was only two weeks from giving birth. Imo

 

[osu]

Which is why in most medical settings the correct abbreviation is EDO.

I do hope they take her lawyers good advise and get her into an EDO inpatient treatment center, ASAP.

But if I had to guess, I think they’ll probably just continue living in denial, pretending everything is just perfect with them and their daughter with the hope that it will eventually go away.

JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

"False" Confessions? How Badly Did Richardson's Stmts to LE Hurt Her?

@dizzychick Thanks for your post sbm Agreeing w ^, 'usually' or 'often.'
One other thought about 'false' confessions, generally, not spec. this case, and asking rhetorically ---
Why, oh, why, submit to LE interviews, in US? 5th amendment and all that. just thinking aloud.

Caveat - I have not followed this case until today, have not read all posts, have read some MSM or seen a bit of court vid. Read 98 page transcript of (2nd?) LE interview w bio-mom. From < interview, her stmts could be intrpret'ed as quite damaging to her, but I did not watch vid.

That said, if bio-mom had not agreed to LE interviews, would DA/prosecutor have had enough probable cause to get indictment?

I doubt it. (to answer the last question)
Her own words were the most damaging, and they could not prove the child was born alive or that she was burned.
It certainly seemed as though she herself believed the baby was alive and that she had killed her by squeezing her too hard.
I don't think we will ever learn the truth of what happened. Imo

 

[dizzychick]

"False" Confessions? How Badly Did Richardson's Stmts to LE Hurt Her?

@dizzychick Thanks for your post sbm Agreeing w ^, 'usually' or 'often.'
One other thought about 'false' confessions, generally, not spec. this case, and asking rhetorically ---
Why, oh, why, submit to LE interviews, in US? 5th amendment and all that. just thinking aloud.

Caveat - I have not followed this case until today, have not read all posts, have read some MSM or seen a bit of court vid. Read 98 page transcript of (2nd?) LE interview w bio-mom. From < interview, her stmts could be intrpret'ed as quite damaging to her, but I did not watch vid.

That said, if bio-mom had not agreed to LE interviews, would DA/prosecutor have had enough probable cause to get indictment?

oh yeah like I said earlier the DA will indict a Ham Sandwich LOL the fact she delivered at home and buried the child alone is a crime so they had her on the " abuse of a Corpse" but I was surprised it only carried 1 year jail time max. The other charges may have been padded a bit, how would they prove it other than her "bizarre statements? With that said you still " SHUT THE F__K UP FRIDAY!" LOL LOL go see that video by typing that phrase on Facebook, love those brothers they are criminal defense lawyers from California best free advice one can ever get.|

 

[SeesSeas]

"False" Confessions? How Badly Did Richardson's Stmts to LE Hurt Her?
[...]
That said, if bio-mom had not agreed to LE interviews, would DA/prosecutor have had enough probable cause to get indictment?

A Law Professor Explains Why You Should Never Talk to Police
A Law Professor Explains Why You Should Never Talk to Police
James Duane says you shouldn't say anything to a cop for any reason, you shouldn't plead the Fifth, and you shouldn't stay silent. So what should you do?
Sep 20 2016
James Duane doesn't think you should ever talk to the police. Not just, "Don't talk to the police if you're accused of a crime," or, "Don't talk to the police in an interrogation setting"—never talk to the cops, period. If you are found doing something suspicious by an officer (say, breaking into your own house because you locked yourself outside), you are legally obligated to tell the cop your name and what you're doing at that very moment.
Other than that, Duane says, you should fall back on four short words: "I want a lawyer."
[...]
Don't Talk to the Police
Regent University School of Law

 

[1&2&3]

I want to know how BSR went through labor, gave birth, went outside and dug a hole to bury her baby, moved the heavy flower pot, and went back inside to move her bed around without disturbing her parents?

Most parents get up around 6-6:30 to get Dad off to work. How did her parents not hear a sound during all BSR activities?

In fact, the thought she was able to do all this right after giving birth, is unbelievable to me! I have birthed three children and cannot fathom how she had the strength to do it!

 

[1&2&3]

My thought is did the gurgle sound BSR said she heard, was it the baby taking its first breath but her head was in the toilet water?

 

[dizzychick]

does anyone know if they ever said what the size of the bones were? And would the bone size tell them for sure if the baby was full-term and had O2 from room air by any chance?

 

[MsBetsy]

I'm sure some posters are just spouting what basic pop culture information they know, but if this case has truly piqued your interest about eating disorders and what absolute havoc they can cause in a family or for an individual (especially if you know anyone who might be at risk of developing one), please consider educating yourself beyond TV movies about Karen Carpenter, who died almost forty years ago. Eating disorders are still killing people, but fortunately there has been some progress in the field of treating them since 1983.

Yes, there has certainly been a lot of research since the eighties.
In fact my cousin developed anorexia in the late eighties when she was around 13 and I wish she had been treated earlier.
It was not until she was about 25 years old that she finally went to a year long program for treatment.
Her parents were in denial for years and did not take her to therapy when she was a teenager. Family dynamics play a large role.

She spent most of her life in treatment, but never weighed more than eighty pounds. She was 66 pounds at 5'8, at her lowest, when she was first hospitalized. Her legs were thinner than my arms.

She was constantly being hospitalized for low potassium levels. She had to be resuscitated many times. When she was around 30 years old, she had part of her jaw removed because of osteoporosis. She had countless other medical problems.

But she was a perfectionist and very intelligent, and managed to get two degrees and hold a job for almost ten years.

By the time she was 30, after having the metal plate put her in jaw to hold it together, she was not able to take care of herself anymore. Her speech was slurred due to brain damage, and it was difficult to have a conversation with her. It was too exhausting for her. She lived like that for eleven more years, until she finally died from heart failure at age 41.

We were all amazed that she lived that long.

It was no way to live, though.

If Skylar really does have an eating disorder, early intervention is the best hope for recovery. It's still not too late. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

My thought is did the gurgle sound BSR said she heard, was it the baby taking its first breath but her head was in the toilet water?

It's possible. At first she said she thought the baby was in the toilet for about 2 minutes but later said it was about 5 minutes.
There would be no way to tell if she drowned, though, since apparently she had no organs left and was just a skeleton when they found her. Imo

 

[dizzychick]

Lacy Peterson, did they ever prove beyond a reasonable doubt what exactly killed her? Or who killed her for that matter? Nope and Scott is on Death Row. It was the totality of his statements, actions, that girlfriend didn't help and may have been the nail that finished him off. I think there was more evidence against BSR than Scott Peterson

 

[Jewels53]

Yes, there has certainly been a lot of research since the eighties.
In fact my cousin developed anorexia in the late eighties when she was around 13 and I wish she had been treated earlier.
It was not until she was about 25 years old that she finally went to a year long program for treatment.
Her parents were in denial for years and did not take her to therapy when she was a teenager. Family dynamics play a large role.

She spent most of her life in treatment, but never weighed more than eighty pounds. She was 66 pounds at 5'8, at her lowest, when she was first hospitalized. Her legs were thinner than my arms.

She was constantly being hospitalized for low potassium levels. She had to be resuscitated many times. When she was around 30 years old, she had part of her jaw removed because of osteoporosis. She had countless other medical problems.

But she was a perfectionist and very intelligent, and managed to get two degrees and hold a job for almost ten years.

By the time she was 30, after having the metal plate put her in jaw to hold it together, she was not able to take care of herself anymore. Her speech was slurred due to brain damage, and it was difficult to have a conversation with her. It was too exhausting for her. She lived like that for eleven more years, until she finally died from heart failure at age 41.

We were all amazed that she lived that long.

It was no way to live, though.

If Skylar really does have an eating disorder, early intervention is the best hope for recovery. It's still not too late. Imo

Thanks for sharing your cousins story. That had to be very difficult to watch her dying a slow death like that. I know research has come a long way. It is hard though to change a persons self image of themselves.

I don't have the same issues as an eating disorder it has just taken me a long time to resolve other issues about myself. Some with extended counseling and some with just myself. First of all you have to have the will to want to change. Change comes from within yourself.