GUILTY OH Pike Co., 8 in Rhoden Family Murdered Over Custody Issue, 4 Members Wagner Family Arrested #62

[Cool Cats]

Think about it....The digital footprint left by the morons allowed the cyberhounds to chase them thru the thickest of cesspool.

1. Manufactured custody documents for no reason. As the father, Jake would have had custodial rights regardless.

2. Bought fancy wal mart rubber boots but yet kept receipts and video evidence. Why not drive 500 miles in any direction to purchase?

3. Dumbass bought brass catchers but left brass behind. And, they left digital evidence of the purchase.

4. Bought the makings for silencers but yet left behind evidence of the one that didnt make the cut. I mean, cmon.

5. They kept the dang weapons used in the murders. You live in one of the most rural counties in ohio and you are dumb enough to keep the weapons readily available.

6. You hack someone else's social media accounts but so dumb to leave digital crumbs leading to your doorstep.

These are just a few things off the top of my head. I see nothing sophisticated about these assclowns. I see a bunch of clowns thinking they were smarter than those throwing the book at their sorry behinds.

A few more for your list, nice list. Just off the top of my head:

7.) They left bloody shoe prints matching Angela's Walmart shoe purchases.

8.) They left shell casings on their property that match the shell casings at the crime scenes.

9.) Jake took a photo on his phone of his own hand holding a .22 Walther Colt, the gun BCI thinks he used.

10.) Speaking and texting incriminating statements over their bugged phones but refusing to talk in their truck for fear it was bugged.

11.) Buying silencer parts that fit the .22 gun that is pictured on Jake's phone using Jake's rewards card and address.

12.) Keeping the laptop which contains numerous screenshots of private messages.

13.) Fighting with the family over custody right before they target them.

14.) Leaving behind a burnt VCR.

Telling your mom to:

lie for you, commit perjury, sit on house arrest for a year, go to trial and potentially be convicted of 5 felonies, and expect her to face jail or prison time.

Then calling her to tell her what "buzz words" to use at her trial to help explain the custody documents which leads to her almost losing her Bond because of your persistent phone calls. (I still think she stole her mom's notary stamp under pretense of visiting her)

...2 Cents...

 

[Norrmajean]

Think about it....The digital footprint left by the morons allowed the cyberhounds to chase them thru the thickest of cesspool.

1. Manufactured custody documents for no reason. As the father, Jake would have had custodial rights regardless.

2. Bought fancy wal mart rubber boots but yet kept receipts and video evidence. Why not drive 500 miles in any direction to purchase?

3. Dumbass bought brass catchers but left brass behind. And, they left digital evidence of the purchase.

4. Bought the makings for silencers but yet left behind evidence of the one that didnt make the cut. I mean, cmon.

5. They kept the dang weapons used in the murders. You live in one of the most rural counties in ohio and you are dumb enough to keep the weapons readily available.

6. You hack someone else's social media accounts but so dumb to leave digital crumbs leading to your doorstep.

These are just a few things off the top of my head. I see nothing sophisticated about these assclowns. I see a bunch of clowns thinking they were smarter than those throwing the book at their sorry behinds.

Exactly! I could not agree more and I think it really shows the level of arrogance was behind the many mistakes. I believe they truly were not worried about the evidence ever being discovered. If they according to plan were successful in sowing confusion and leading investigators in other directions there would be no need to destroy the remainder. But these, and I love the way you put it, assclowns figured no one would ever get close enough to figure it out. When this case garnered national attention along with exhaustive investigative work involving multiple agencies that must have really caught them by surprise. But even then they could have covered their trail and chose instead to believe they would never be suspected. In the end justice prevailed and these despicable people are right where they belong.

 

[Betty P]

I know my opinion is not a popular one, but I have said it before, and I'll say it again.... The victims families are the ones who should be deciding what evidence is released IF there are no trials. Their voices are what matters, their pain is far worse than any outsiders. Their anger matters far more than ours. So whatever they want is respected by me. ALL MOO.

I also respect differing opinions on here, even though I may disagree.



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"I met with the next of kin of all the deceased, answered their questions, and after preliminary autopsy, and at that point, they were not wanting information to get out in the public about exactly how things happened," Kessler said.

https://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/cor...se-of-autopsy-reports-in-pike-county-massacre

JMO, I think there's a way to fully educate the public about the extreme brutality and depravity of the 4 Wagners in killing the 7 Rhodens and Hannah Gilley while still protecting the surviving family members.

Angela Canepa is very intelligent and experienced. I'm sure she'll find a way to accomplish this difficult task.

For example, the 3D Faro scans of the crime scene can be useful in developing animation video of how the Wagners moved into each home, stalked and killed their victims at each of the 4 locations.

 

[molly1255]

I also don't need to see the full autopsy reports. I'd also like to know more about the planning and implementing the murders. I'm failing to see what was so exceedingly sophisticated about the W operation. The W's were certainly very brazen, not only in committing eight murders, but also in thinking they were ever really going to get away with it. They made a lot of mistakes.

Something happened in mid 2017 that made the W's flee Ohio and move to Alaska. I'd love to know exactly what happened. I don't think the W's successfully passed their interviews with LE and were finally confronted. I also think the incidences of DV were known to LE and it was known to LE that there was a child custody battle early on. I think it might be possible that LE initially looked at the murders as a possible family annihilation in which members of the perpetrators own family are murdered. The indictment states AW purchased "special shoes" at Walmart. Were these the same kind of shoes worn by JM and were the W's attempting to frame him for the murders? I'd like to know. I'd also like to know about the text message from JW to JM or vice versa that supposedly occurred on the night of the murders. After the arrests, Reader said "all the lies they told", meaning the W's. What were the specific lies?

I don't know who the brain trust was in terms of taking care of all of the surveillance and the purchase of the supplies. AW was videotaped buying the footwear at Walmart. Not too bright, IMO. Everyone knows that Walmart has more surveillance than any other store. She also kept the forged custody documents - wth? Why not shred them? JW had already managed to get custody. The discovery of the forged custody docs required AW to bring one more person into the conspiracy. Her mother. That blew up in AW's face. She then made jailhouse calls to her mother. Did she not think that her calls were being monitored and taped?

IMO, it is a big mistake for anyone to ever believe they are the smartest person in the room.

All JMO.

 

[Ann99]

JMO, I think there's a way to fully educate the public about the extreme brutality and depravity of the 4 Wagners in killing the 7 Rhodens and Hannah Gilley while still protecting the surviving family members.

Angela Canepa is very intelligent and experienced. I'm sure she'll find a way to accomplish this difficult task.

For example, the 3D Faro scans of the crime scene can be useful in developing animation video of how the Wagners moved into each home, stalked and killed their victims at each of the 4 locations.

Betty and Caylee Advocate, you both make good points.

The families must have their wishes respected and the public
needs to be able to fully understand the Wagner Family level of evil.

MO
I imagine the Wagners, regardless of their extensive yet flawed planning, simply thought they could lie and bluff their way out if accused,
just as they have done at times in the past.
Seems as though the bluff and bluster was working for them for a short time.

O/T
I see one of the Carolina States has reinstated the FIRING SQUAD for DP.
I would have liked to have seen that in Ohio for the Wagner 4.

 

[IType]

Betty and Caylee Advocate, you both make good points.

The families must have their wishes respected and the public
needs to be able to fully understand the Wagner Family level of evil.

MO
I imagine the Wagners, regardless of their extensive yet flawed planning, simply thought they could lie and bluff their way out if accused,
just as they have done at times in the past.
Seems as though the bluff and bluster was working for them for a short time.

O/T
I see one of the Carolina States has reinstated the FIRING SQUAD for DP.
I would have liked to have seen that in Ohio for the Wagner 4.

BBM, I couldn't agree more. IMO, they'd never been held accountable for past actions, so why not just murder eight people to get what they want. Their sense of entitlement is absolutely nauseating.

FYI--Your comment about the firing squad gave me quite a giggle, made my day!

 

[molly1255]

A few more for your list, nice list. Just off the top of my head:

7.) They left bloody shoe prints matching Angela's Walmart shoe purchases.

8.) They left shell casings on their property that match the shell casings at the crime scenes.

9.) Jake took a photo on his phone of his own hand holding a .22 Walther Colt, the gun BCI thinks he used.

10.) Speaking and texting incriminating statements over their bugged phones but refusing to talk in their truck for fear it was bugged.

11.) Buying silencer parts that fit the .22 gun that is pictured on Jake's phone using Jake's rewards card and address.

12.) Keeping the laptop which contains numerous screenshots of private messages.

13.) Fighting with the family over custody right before they target them.

14.) Leaving behind a burnt VCR.

Telling your mom to:

lie for you, commit perjury, sit on house arrest for a year, go to trial and potentially be convicted of 5 felonies, and expect her to face jail or prison time.

Then calling her to tell her what "buzz words" to use at her trial to help explain the custody documents which leads to her almost losing her Bond because of your persistent phone calls. (I still think she stole her mom's notary stamp under pretense of visiting her)

...2 Cents...

 

[Chelly]

I've followed these threads almost daily since late-April 2016. It continues to amaze me that these 8 murders are so low-profile. Even most folks I know who follow true crime and murder trials seem unaware.

 

[Cool Cats]

BBM, I couldn't agree more. IMO, they'd never been held accountable for past actions, so why not just murder eight people to get what they want. Their sense of entitlement is absolutely nauseating.

FYI--Your comment about the firing squad gave me quite a giggle, made my day!

Interesting. I kept thinking they must have murdered before to be able to suddenly
kill that many people.

But I think it's what you are saying, that according to the Other Acts Evidence
they got away with just about everything. No accountability.

They even did 2 fraudulent mortgage loans on their way back from AK without consequences. Just another day in the life of the Wagner crime family.

The precedent is what they did to George's wife, all the @#$%& they pulled on her.
Trying to parlay it into a duplicate response from HR which didn't work.

This really bothers me - that Angie was spying on Hanna and George's EX mother-in-law through Facebook messenger and she brought to Jake's attention the messages where Hanna and George's EX MIL were talking about not signing any custody papers "they would have to kill me first."

It's like a catalyst because as Canepa pointed out they killed her 4 months after this statement - a statement Angie deliberately screen shot for Jake. To me this shows Angie egging him on to do something at all cost for custody, thus instigating the murder plot.

Had Angie taken the other road like a normal mother and tried to help work it all out, Jake would not have shot 5 or 6 people. Angie held all the cards, all she needed to do was say no to murder.

She's an extremely controlling mother who kept him isolated with home schooling, encouraged him to always live with her even when having his own child, shared bank accounts with him meaning he was supporting her financially, voting on his personal matters, and so forth. She's so controlling that she actually got Jake on the phone from jail! One jail to another!

Thus, she was the linchpin in his life the most important person with the most influence. I actually think she manipulated him, after all, if your mom says it's OK then it must be OK..right? Mother really is the one who "knows best."

...2 Cents...

 

[sunshineray]

Betty and Caylee Advocate, you both make good points.

The families must have their wishes respected and the public
needs to be able to fully understand the Wagner Family level of evil.

MO
I imagine the Wagners, regardless of their extensive yet flawed planning, simply thought they could lie and bluff their way out if accused,
just as they have done at times in the past.
Seems as though the bluff and bluster was working for them for a short time.

O/T
I see one of the Carolina States has reinstated the FIRING SQUAD for DP.
I would have liked to have seen that in Ohio for the Wagner 4.

Ann99 I agree that the families wishes are of upmost priority and do also agree that the public has a right to know what occured and how it all happened in their communities.

I don't need to know the details of the autopsies any more than what I've already been told. That's for the families to decide if they want to share anything else IMO.
I do think the public, society, is entitled to know the details of the planning of the Wagners...every single bit and everyone's actions that were involved in this massacre and it's cover-up after the fact. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

I've followed these threads almost daily since late-April 2016. It continues to amaze me that these 8 murders are so low-profile. Even most folks I know who follow true crime and murder trials seem unaware.

I honestly think it had to do with Prince's death on April 21st being broadcast on April 22nd. Plus when they mentioned the marijuana grows found, it turned a lot of people off thinking, oh that's just what happens to drug dealers. They just dismissed the savagery...I don't understand it, never will.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I will feel like a book I have been reading for 5 years suddenly has chapters/pages removed from it if more isn’t learned. At the same time, I can be OK with that. I agree with many of you that more information will likely come out, maybe one or two will go to trial, and that may be how more will be learned, but maybe not.
In the end however (and I don’t think we are quite there), I don’t feel I am owed or entitled to any information or details. The family, the children that may experience curiosity as they get older...I feel they are owed information if/when they seek it. If the family reaches peace with what information they have at some point, I feel that is what matters most. Just a perspective after thinking on it for a few days.

 

[Fight4justice]

I will feel like a book I have been reading for 5 years suddenly has chapters/pages removed from it if more isn’t learned. At the same time, I can be OK with that. I agree with many of you that more information will likely come out, maybe one or two will go to trial, and that may be how more will be learned, but maybe not.
In the end however (and I don’t think we are quite there), I don’t feel I am owed or entitled to any information or details. The family, the children that may experience curiosity as they get older...I feel they are owed information if/when they seek it. If the family reaches peace with what information they have at some point, I feel that is what matters most. Just a perspective after thinking on it for a few days.

I agree, I don’t need to know anymore details. I would like to know how they entered homes with aggressive dogs. Home invasions are on the rise and some of the facts from this case could be helpful in preventing such crimes. What to be aware of, what to be suspicious of, how to better secure your homes, etc... moo

 

[IType]

I agree, I don’t need to know anymore details. I would like to know how they entered homes with aggressive dogs. Home invasions are on the rise and some of the facts from this case could be helpful in preventing such crimes. What to be aware of, what to be suspicious of, how to better secure your homes, etc... moo

BBM
I'm glad you mentioned the part of hopefully helping prevent future crimes. I'll outright admit that I have learned so much from following this case, things about big businesses, things I had no idea could even be done by the average Joe.

I didn't know every Walmart across the country video records every transaction made. I didn't realize pretty much anybody could get a cellphone jammer and monitor my calls and texts, or hack into my Facebook and see my posts and photos. I didn't know you could make a supressor out of a flashlight, never even heard of a brass catcher let alone where to buy one. Soooo many other things, as well.

As details have been made public since the W4 were arrested, I have realized just how naive I am to the ways of the electronic world. Pretty frigging creepy, when you think about it. It all makes me think twice about how I do things and better ways to keep myself safe. JMO

 

[IType]

Interesting. I kept thinking they must have murdered before to be able to suddenly
kill that many people.

But I think it's what you are saying, that according to the Other Acts Evidence
they got away with just about everything. No accountability.

They even did 2 fraudulent mortgage loans on their way back from AK without consequences. Just another day in the life of the Wagner crime family.

The precedent is what they did to George's wife, all the @#$%& they pulled on her.
Trying to parlay it into a duplicate response from HR which didn't work.

This really bothers me - that Angie was spying on Hanna and George's EX mother-in-law through Facebook messenger and she brought to Jake's attention the messages where Hanna and George's EX MIL were talking about not signing any custody papers "they would have to kill me first."

It's like a catalyst because as Canepa pointed out they killed her 4 months after this statement - a statement Angie deliberately screen shot for Jake. To me this shows Angie egging him on to do something at all cost for custody, thus instigating the murder plot.

Had Angie taken the other road like a normal mother and tried to help work it all out, Jake would not have shot 5 or 6 people. Angie held all the cards, all she needed to do was say no to murder.

She's an extremely controlling mother who kept him isolated with home schooling, encouraged him to always live with her even when having his own child, shared bank accounts with him meaning he was supporting her financially, voting on his personal matters, and so forth. She's so controlling that she actually got Jake on the phone from jail! One jail to another!

Thus, she was the linchpin in his life the most important person with the most influence. I actually think she manipulated him, after all, if your mom says it's OK then it must be OK..right? Mother really is the one who "knows best."

...2 Cents...

Yes, the other acts evidence. But, also, BW's road rage incident, BW and AW charges for destroying evidence and possession of stolen property. Every charge against them has been dropped/not pursued. IMO, in their own eyes, they were untouchable.

 

[Cool Cats]

Yes, the other acts evidence. But, also, BW's road rage incident, BW and AW charges for destroying evidence and possession of stolen property. Every charge against them has been dropped/not pursued. IMO, in their own eyes, they were untouchable.

Good attorneys compliments of FW. I think she is paying for RN's attorney.

 

[Fight4justice]

BBM
I'm glad you mentioned the part of hopefully helping prevent future crimes. I'll outright admit that I have learned so much from following this case, things about big businesses, things I had no idea could even be done by the average Joe.

I didn't know every Walmart across the country video records every transaction made. I didn't realize pretty much anybody could get a cellphone jammer and monitor my calls and texts, or hack into my Facebook and see my posts and photos. I didn't know you could make a supressor out of a flashlight, never even heard of a brass catcher let alone where to buy one. Soooo many other things, as well.

As details have been made public since the W4 were arrested, I have realized just how naive I am to the ways of the electronic world. Pretty frigging creepy, when you think about it. It all makes me think twice about how I do things and better ways to keep myself safe. JMO

Yes I was blown away and my son who is a computer programmer told me it’s as simple as “ my phone is dead, can I borrow yours to call my (mom). He said then just send yourself an email using their phone and email and you can hack any device they have connected to that phone. Also he said you can easily find on internet how to hack someone. Really kind of scary how easy it is.

 

[Betty P]

I will feel like a book I have been reading for 5 years suddenly has chapters/pages removed from it if more isn’t learned. At the same time, I can be OK with that. I agree with many of you that more information will likely come out, maybe one or two will go to trial, and that may be how more will be learned, but maybe not.
In the end however (and I don’t think we are quite there), I don’t feel I am owed or entitled to any information or details. The family, the children that may experience curiosity as they get older...I feel they are owed information if/when they seek it. If the family reaches peace with what information they have at some point, I feel that is what matters most. Just a perspective after thinking on it for a few days.

I think we need a full accounting of what happened that night. We don't need gory photos and we've already received enough information from the autopsy reports.

But we need to know, step by step, who did what, where and when. We need for a distracted public to fully understand how senseless and brutal these killings were. We need for them to know the victims did nothing to deserve their brutal deaths. We actually need for the victims to be humanized, to have their personal stories told so the public sympathizes with them and realizes what a tragic event happened that night. How it devastated many people, left many children orphaned, left a community and entire region living in fear for many years.

The public needs to know the full effect of the damage done and the evil people who were all clearly and fully responsible for planning those senseless deaths.

We need for the public to be left with no doubt whatsoever that the 4 Wagners were fully involved in these murders and were clearly implicated, per the evidence and the confession of the leader. Because some day in the not too distant future, someone is going to try to tell a sad story about how the Wagners weren't that bad and some of them didn't really want to kill everyone, even though they pulled a trigger or participated in the massacre.

We can't have an ignorant public believing they should let any of these monsters out of prison. As sure as the sun comes up tomorrow, someone is going to launch a pity campaign about one "wronged" Wagner or another. I don't think the surviving family members want that to happen either.

The problem is I think its very possible.

 

[Everything22]

@Betty P

In the Discovery document filed 4/28/21, the last "Certification" on the last page of Discovery is different for each of the four Wagners and I don't understand it. Can you help?

It seems to be saying Jake, Angela and Billy were "provided" this Discovery document before their attorneys were, and that George and his attorneys only received it 4/28 the day of his hearing.

What do you make of this, please? and thank you.

Anyone else, please feel free to chime in.

 

[Everything22]

I think we need a full accounting of what happened that night. We don't need gory photos and we've already received enough information from the autopsy reports.

But we need to know, step by step, who did what, where and when. We need for a distracted public to fully understand how senseless and brutal these killings were. We need for them to know the victims did nothing to deserve their brutal deaths. We actually need for the victims to be humanized, to have their personal stories told so the public sympathizes with them and realizes what a tragic event happened that night. How it devastated many people, left many children orphaned, left a community and entire region living in fear for many years.

The public needs to know the full effect of the damage done and the evil people who were all clearly and fully responsible for planning those senseless deaths.

We need for the public to be left with no doubt whatsoever that the 4 Wagners were fully involved in these murders and were clearly implicated, per the evidence and the confession of the leader. Because some day in the not too distant future, someone is going to try to tell a sad story about how the Wagners weren't that bad and some of them didn't really want to kill everyone, even though they pulled a trigger or participated in the massacre.

We can't have an ignorant public believing they should let any of these monsters out of prison. As sure as the sun comes up tomorrow, someone is going to launch a pity campaign about one "wronged" Wagner or another. I don't think the surviving family members want that to happen either.

The problem is I think its very possible.

Amen, BettyP. And personally, I want to see Fredericka Wagner charged with all her offenses. I can hardly wait to see the new indictment. MOO based on 4/28/21 Discovery for the 4 Wagners and FW's name and bank accounts and devices seized.