People being detained and "exported" by ICE #2

[Lilibet]

DBM

 

[Lilibet]

Every country has immigration law as well as special circumstances for refugees. What is happening in the USA, where people are rounded up, put on a bus, put on a plane, sent to a brutal prison and forgotten, is unheard-of in developed countries.

The United States is not the only country that does this. moo

You missed the term “developed country” in the post by @otto you replied to. It’s really an insult to the U.S. to put it in the same category as countries “where people are rounded up, put on a bus, put on a plane, sent to a brutal prison and forgotten” as @otto put it. I’m not sure why anyone is defending this.

BBM

 

[branmuffin]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... if Stephen Miller and Donald Trump have their way they'll be deporting homegrown gang members and a plethora of American born criminals to El Salvador. Just think, it'll be the first time some Americans get to leave the US. And they never had to shell out cash for a passport! Now that opens up a whole other can of worms, I would think. What'll happen when common sense and logic will reign once again, trying to get some Americans back on American soil when they have no legal documents to enter the country. Fun times.

 

[Lilibet]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ... The fight is about making sure the law and constitution are followed in removing them. ICE and DHS are moving so quickly and making so many mistakes, such as letters to citizens telling them they have a week to leave the country, that it’s important to make sure people aren’t being sent to Bukele’s prison or deported by mistake. Wouldn’t you agree?

It seems that the administration thrives on moving quickly so people can’t keep up with its slide toward tyranny. DOGE is another example of moving quickly and carelessly. None of this is defensible.

JMO

 

[Lilibet]

Florida and the Dept of Justice is forcing local governments to allow their LE to cooperate with and help ice.

April 27

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/27/us/ice-operation-first-of-its-kind-florida-hnk/index.html

US Immigration and Customs Enforcement announced Saturday the agency and state law enforcement in Florida have arrested nearly 800 people over four days in a “massive, multi-agency immigration enforcement crackdown.”

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In all, more than 200 state, county and municipal law enforcement agencies across Florida have entered into collaboration agreements with ICE, and more than 70 others have agreements pending, according to data from the Department of Homeland Security.

Earlier this month, multiple universities in Florida announced their campus police also signed the ICE agreements, further stoking fears among international students amid the Trump administration’s revocation of hundreds of student visas at colleges across the US.

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Last month, Fort Myers City Council members voted against the ICE collaboration, only to backtrack and approve it after Florida’s attorney general sent them a letter warning that the governor could remove them from office. Attorney General James Uthmeier called the initial refusal a “serious and direct violation” of Florida law that bans “sanctuary cities.”

JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

That's a statement that needs to be really thought about. Especially since it is only since the current admin. IMO

Finally! As they say, We don’t need new laws, just a president who enforces the laws we already have.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Finally! As they say, We don’t need new laws, just a president who enforces the laws we already have.

imo

We all know that the Alien Enemies Act is being mis-used.

The US is not at war with another nation or government. We have been over this so many times on this thread already. You can read back to read about the mis-use, if you like.

If this was all being done appropriately and legally, there would not be this big fuss by US judges and citizens.

imo

 

[Vern]

Finally! As they say, We don’t need new laws, just a president who enforces the laws we already have.

imo

I'll ask once again for a link to the Constitution or Law that gives POTUS:

- The authority to make law;
- The authority to break the law; and
- The authority to ignore the courts (even SCOTUS).

What law is "just being enforced" legally by 47?

IMO (with sources to the applicable 14th Amendment given previously which has informed my opinion). Just saying things and claiming them does not make them factual. IMO.
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[Lilibet]

I'll ask once again for a link to the Constitution or Law that gives POTUS:

- The authority to make law;
- The authority to break the law; and
- The authority to ignore the courts (even SCOTUS).

What law is "just being enforced" legally by 47?

IMO (with sources to the applicable 14th Amendment given previously which has informed my opinion).
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I love it that a Canadian knows U.S. laws and Constitution better than some Americans. Way to go, @Vern!!

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It would also be really cool if we had a president who had never been convicted of a felony (or 34), just saying.

Then he and his minions might have a bit more credibility about his success in enforcing the laws.

JMO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I love it that a Canadian knows U.S. laws and Constitution better than some Americans. Way to go, @Vern!!

Seconded.

 

[Sillybilly]

Any chance these deportations could also fall under

Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law​

 

[sapphire blue]

I don’t care.

ALL Illegal aliens should self deport.

Come the legal way, or don’t come at all.

IMO

thinking everyone has the luxury or coming ‘the legal way’ is misguided, and doesn’t take into account count the circumstances causing people to flee in order to seek asylum. it is not a crime to arrive by any means in order to seek asylum

It isn’t a criminal offence, it’s a civil matter - so can anyone explain how its right to summararily arrest and deport people without due process to a notoriously severe prison - incarcerating people for what?


In the United States, seeking asylum and overstaying a visa are treated very differently under the law:

Seeking asylum​

• Not a crime.
• U.S. and international law explicitly allow individuals to apply for asylum, even if they enter the country without authorization.
• The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) permits asylum seekers to apply regardless of how they entered the U.S.
• Entering illegally solely for the purpose of seeking asylum is not a criminal offense; it's a civil matter under immigration law.

Overstaying a visa​

• Typically a civil offense, not a criminal one.
• When someone overstays their visa, they are violating immigration law, which is handled by civil immigration courts, not criminal courts.
• However, repeated violations, fraud, or re-entry after removal can lead to criminal charges in some cases.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

"ALL illegal aliens should self-deport."

That's what my ancestors who walked the Trail of Tears said also.

 

[Simply Southern]

I'll ask once again for a link to the Constitution or Law that gives POTUS:

- The authority to make law;
- The authority to break the law; and
- The authority to ignore the courts (even SCOTUS).

What law is "just being enforced" legally by 47?

IMO (with sources to the applicable 14th Amendment given previously which has informed my opinion). Just saying things and claiming them does not make them factual. IMO.
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I posted a link to the US CODE, chapter, 12, and the specifically laws pertaining to your question. They're available up thread.

Which law has he broken? Please provide a link to the law broken.

Detained immigrants are provided due process. They appear in an immigration Court, ICE presents evidence they are not illegal citizen, they are entitled to provide legal representation. The US government does not provide a free attorney in a civil case, only in a criminal case. The immigrant and attorney has an opportunity to prove citizenship. The judge rules based on US law. If the detainee cannot provide documents proving citizenship, the judge will issue a deportation order. This entire process is called due process.

Most of those appearing for deportation hearings, do not have proof of citizenship. Many provide reasons that they should be allowed to stay in the US and request asylum. Asylum should be requested upon entry to the United States, not at a deportation hearing. It's the last ditch effort to try to stay in the country illegally.

Many civil rights organizations, become involved after the deportation order is issued. They are filing claims in circuit Court, to circumvent a ruling from an immigration judge. Some of these judges are issuing "holds" or "stays", delaying deportation, because they do not have the legal authority to overrule the deportation order.

It's all in the laws I posted.
Moo

 

[Simply Southern]

thinking everyone has the luxury or coming ‘the legal way’ is misguided, and doesn’t take into account count the circumstances causing people to flee in order to seek asylum. it is not a crime to arrive by any means in order to seek asylum

It isn’t a criminal offence, it’s a civil matter - so can anyone explain how its right to summararily arrest and deport people without due process to a notoriously severe prison - incarcerating people for what?


In the United States, seeking asylum and overstaying a visa are treated very differently under the law:

Seeking asylum​

• Not a crime.
• U.S. and international law explicitly allow individuals to apply for asylum, even if they enter the country without authorization.
• The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) permits asylum seekers to apply regardless of how they entered the U.S.
• Entering illegally solely for the purpose of seeking asylum is not a criminal offense; it's a civil matter under immigration law.

Overstaying a visa​

• Typically a civil offense, not a criminal one.
• When someone overstays their visa, they are violating immigration law, which is handled by civil immigration courts, not criminal courts.
• However, repeated violations, fraud, or re-entry after removal can lead to criminal charges in some cases.

You are correct, anyone entering the country is eligible to apply for asylum. The immigrants being deported, have lived in our country for months or years and never applied for asylum. They wait till the deportation order is issued and want to backtrack in the process.

I have an acquaintance, from Russia, who was awarded asylum. He said the first thing he did when he sent foot on US soil was to apply for asylum.

Many illegal immigrants enter the country, find a job, work, build a life, have children. They never think about applying for asylum, until ice knocks on the door.

There are many pathways to legal citizenship. I know many that are now proud legal US citizens.

Yes, entering the country illegally is a civil offense. Civil or criminal, they have still broken US law and that's why they are deported.

Moo...

 

[Lilibet]

Any chance these deportations could also fall under

Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law​

Possibly some. The flights to El Salvador had been prohibited by the judge and they didn’t turn around. Oopsie tweeted Bukele. Things happen too fast for anyone to look into it and appeal, which is the point.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I went down a rabbit hole today and found out that that old leftist liberal, Ronald Reagan, agreed with me:

One way to stop illegal immigration is to penalize the US employers who employ undocuented immigrants.

From link, with quote from notorious left leaning commie Alan Simpson /snark:

The law granted amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants, yet was largely considered unsuccessful because the strict sanctions on employers were stripped out of the bill for passage.

Simpson says the amnesty provision actually saved the act from being a total loss. "It's not perfect, but 2.9 million people came forward. If you can bring one person out of an exploited relationship, that's good enough for me."

 

[IzzyBlanche]

ANNND one more thing that bears repeating.

There was a bipartisan immigration reform bill that would have addressed a lot of the issues, but Trump tanked it to help win election.

 

[Simply Southern]

Any chance these deportations could also fall under

Deprivation Of Rights Under Color Of Law​

Moo, after reading and a little research .... This falls under civil rights. It would apply, if they were deported without an immigration hearing. The exception would be, under the AEA, due process is not required.

It is my opinion, even those under the AEA have been afforded a deportation hearing.The cases that are under a block/stay are contesting the evidence presented during the deportation hearing. This leads me to believe there was a deportation hearing.

The color of law, grants the right to sue a state, government, elected official or attorney, that has misrepresented state or federal law.

Eta.. an example would be, state law for theft <1000k, could be in prison for one year. A judge decides to issue a sentence of 5 years. The judge has "colored the law".
An attorney advices a client state law requires zero imprisonment for an offense, when actually the law may allow up to one year in prison. The attorney has"colored the law".

Moo